What Christians think about Trump?

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He is more than likely a womanizer. Racist not so much. Some of the very people who magically see him as racist now were once fine to be in his company. Like Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton. And if he's racist, then so are you. Because he's got plenty of black supporters. You're basically calling all of them duped and unable to think for themselves. You're like Biden who said, "If you don't vote for me, you ain't black." Now that's a real racist statement.

Given what Trump has said about numerous ethnicities, he is a racist.
The 15 most offensive things that have come out of Trump’s mouth
And if he isn't then he's an ignorant fool, not sure which is worse for a president, but sadly I think he's both.

So because I think he's a racist for all those things he's said that makes me the racist, wow.

You might want to wonder at exactly how he got black supporters.
"timothy l. o’brien: The only people of color he’s gone out of his way to try to establish relationships with are people who are athletes, celebrities, or entertainers. He became close to Mike Tyson because Donald and Don King were trying to arrange heavyweight fights in Atlantic City, to draw high rollers to the casinos. It wasn’t because he was fond of black athletes. It was because black boxers were good for his business."
At the end of the day Donald only cares about Donald.

The medical problem definitely needs to be fixed, but to lay that at his feet is ridiculous. He's not even a politician and only been in office for a lousy 3 years. Yet you're going to blame him over the thousands of career politicians who've been in this system for decades. Besides, Trump has worked reducing the price of prescription drugs. Trump Signs New Executive Order On Prescription Drug Prices . But obviously, there needs to be a systematic overhaul.

I am not laying it just at his feet the US has always had terrible health care, but my friend says they use to be covered. What they take for mito isn't regular meds they are special nutritional supplements.
He simply continues it and 3 years as president is long enough to make big changes.
If Trump is 'not even a politician' then what is the president of the country considered to be?!

That's surprising. Both of our countries have/had troops in Iraq, due to that man's actions. Maybe you should learn.

I don't take much notice of politics but Trump is hard to miss, especially with Covid. Being inside a car or other close quarters without a mask shows how he only cares for himself.
 
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Does anyone realize how catastrophic Clinton would have been? Her husband was seen on pedophile island, Epstein's death as a "suicide" is a travesty of justice. If she was president what kind of scandal would be rocking the scandal rags right now?

By comparison Trump losing 400 million and paying $750 in income tax one year would be on page 15 of the WSJ.

This is the kind of slander Christians are hit with all the time. How could Christians have voted for him? They had two choices, pick a woman whose husband was a lascivious man, very possibly a pedophile, who had a lot of suspicious deaths surround her every time some scandal is uncovered, who used her foundation to enrich herself while Secretary of State while risking US security, who colluded with the Democratic party to shut out the Bernie supporters, and who supports the termination of unborn babies tossing them into the garbage, or pick Trump.

There was no "christian" option. They hypocrisy and slander of these accusations the Lord will judge.

I wouldn't vote for either. Why do you only have two choices? Surely there are smaller parties or independents?
 
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I wouldn't vote for either. Why do you only have two choices? Surely there are smaller parties or independents?
You can write in any name you want. People wrote in votes for a Ficus plant. What exactly are you going to accomplish?
 
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I am just interested to see what Christians think about Trump? I see so many posts in Trump forums Trump walking along with Jesus in a way i see it as a cult :D although i do support him because he is against liberals. But do honestly most you believe he will save America and he is choosen one? He is really wealthy and was an actor in many films, commercials is he really for the good of all? I remember there was this video where Trump said if he ever goes to become a president he will go through the republican party because they are so dumb.. So where is the truth is he really choosen one? or he is just with Illuminati and pretend to be with the people. My self i am still trying to figure out.

As a Christian my thoughts about Trump are that he is a sick, disturbed, self-absorbed little man whose "values", insofar as they could even so much be called such, are of such diametric opposition to Jesus Christ, Scripture, and the historic teaching of the Christian faith that they can only best be described as antichrist. Politically, Trump represents fascism in America, he has appealed to the basest and darkest impulses of humanity, scape-goated, worked tirelessly at undermining the most elementary principles of democracy and the American republic, sought to divide and sow division. A man of very few scruples, surrounding himself with spineless yes-men who would sell their own soul to the devil if it meant personal political gain. A burning chasm so utterly bereft of any semblance to morality or basic decency, a black void in which nothing exists except the idolatrous infatuation and adoration of the vices and lusts of the flesh.

Trump highlights and exemplifies the hollowness and emptiness that lay in the heart of America. A representation of the darker impulses of our collective id.

What has been made evident, even before the advent of Trump, is that the Church in the United States needs Jesus. Not the superficial plastic idolatrous caricature of Jesus, but Jesus Christ. It is only a church that has anathematized herself through her confession of a false gospel, and the preaching of another Jesus. A shipwrecking of faith by her allegiance to other lords and false gods, chasing after every wind of doctrine by false prophets, false teachers, and false apostles. Christ says to us, "I stand at the door and knock", let us therefore pray and ask that we might buy from Him pure silver and gold refined in the fire, let us return to the True Vine, let us drink of pure water, that we might have life.

Let us repent, and call on the Lord for mercy, let us cry out and pray that He give us drink and parch our thirst. Let us repent, and let go of our false gods and blasphemous lords, cleaving to Jesus Christ, in faith. Let us preach the Gospel without reservation, of the God who gives Himself away in love for the least and worst.

Let us pray that those in power repent, may they be transformed, may they hear our Lord's word, may they face the terror of the Law and repent, that they might hear and believe the Gospel; and upon hearing and believing, may they learn from Christ continually, and devote themselves to turn from wickedness and toward justice. Justice for the poor, justice for the hungry, justice for the oppressed, justice for those who mourn, justice for those who are weak, justice for those who have been crushed, justice for the least of these in our midst. May those to whom the seat of power has been granted use that seat of power for some semblance of good in this world, insofar as this can be done. Grant that we have men and women of peace, of truth, of justice, of compassion, and kindness. That they might be wise in their judiciousness and execution of civil power for the good of people who labor in this world.

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You can write in any name you want. People wrote in votes for a Ficus plant. What exactly are you going to accomplish?

If enough people voted for another party or independent you would change the government as well as sending a big wake up call to your long standing main parties.
As it stands now you would do better with a ficus plant.
 
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If enough people voted for another party or independent you would change the government as well as sending a big wake up call to your long standing main parties.
As it stands now you would do better with a ficus plant.
If you want a wake up call writing in votes won't work. First, they won't recognize your vote yet they will still recognize that you voted. This is what happened when people voted for a Ficus plant. If you want to wake them up don't vote. If they held and election for president and no one came that would completely undermine any appearance of a democracy, representative government or legitimacy. Suppose we had an election for president and 12 million people voted. That is less than 10% of the registered voters. One candidate got 5.5% of the votes and "won". It would be a farce. No one could deny it.
 
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Hi jermayn,

This thread is really getting too long for my continued participation, but...

You asked a question of me and so I'll answer, as to my understanding.


That's bad logic. To say that no one tries to vote for someone who has never sinned, because there is no one who has never sinned. Isn't quite comparative to someone choosing one whose sins they see as less than another's. Bad logic, but nice try.

You also claimed:


That's probably true. I imagine it's just as true as those who support Trump showing utter disdain for those who don't. My uncle, wonderful man who I have had a great relationship for most all of my life, won't even talk to me. A dear neighbor of mine, when I told her that I wouldn't be voting for Trump, immediately turned to me and said, "You're a sad, sad, sad man."

These are both people with whom I have had wonderful and close relationships with in the past.



Now, I can't speak for anyone else, but myself. I don't really look at or consider Donald Trump as a 'sinner'. I understand that we're all sinners. I look at the nature of the man, as you can check my posts for the last 4 years on this subject. I don't like the man's nature. I don't like the man's leadership abilities. I don't think the man's policies are of any particularly great value. I don't like the man's ego or prideful nature.

To constantly and always be boasting of who he is and the things that he has done and make comparisons that no one else has ever been like him, who has sat in his big chair. To constantly denigrate and name call professional people and other nation leaders. To hurt all of us with this fun little game he's playing with tariffs that honestly isn't doing any of the things that he said they would do. China isn't being brought to its knees. Yes, they've had to deal with some amount of hardship for which they seem to have adapted quite well. Our trade deficit is literally greater than it was 3 years ago when all of this started.

In my estimation, the man is not a good business man. He's filed for bankruptcy protection more time than most other business owners. Many, many of his businesses are flighty and have been closed down by government intervention. Who does that? He literally stole from a charitable foundation of his making. Using the funds for personal gain.

His wall is pretty much a joke. He's built, what, 4 miles of new wall? At a cost of many, many, many billions of dollars. He hasn't balanced the budget nor paid off any of our debt. In fact, those matters are both worse today than they were the day he sat down in the big chair. Our entire nation is at one another's throat over his divisive talk. We've never... let me repeat, never, been in this situation as a nation. Where, just as you have pointed out, there is just sooooo much hate and anxiety over our government administration. His handling of this health pandemic is just abysmal.

He flaunts all of the rules. Taxes. Running and promoting his businesses while in office. Putting his entire family on the government dole. His family goes to a debate in which it is made very, very clear that all of those in attendance as guests are required to wear masks, and immediately upon entering the venue refuse to wear them even when a staff person tries to offer them masks and explains to them that everyone agreed to this. He can't even allow, in the debate, the other person the agreed upon 2 minutes of uninterrupted response time.

You support that? You find this man to be worthy to lead our great nation? A nation that was a lot greater in solidarity and civility before he came into being the president.

Well, I'm sorry, but I don't. It's got nothing to do with, "He's a sinner!!!!!" Pointing my finger in condemnation and asking God to smite his sinning soul. It's just that he's not a nice person. Not a good leader. Not particularly wise or smart. Not really any greater than a lot of other people that make this nation the great nation that it is.

Just thought I'd update this post, since it hits on Trumps ability to follow the rules that the rest of us try to follow: A chirp from Trump’s @realDonaldTrump account posted Monday was plastered over with the message: “This Tweet is no longer available because it violated the Twitter Rules.”

God bless,
Ted

Well, almost all of this can be debated so we can agree to disagree, but there's one thing I do want to hit on here and that's the divisiveness of the nation. First of all, this started in Obama's second term when police were beginning to be targeted by snipers and fake emergency calls. Second, it got exponentially worse when Donald Trump became president because Democrats, both politicians and a good chuck of the voters, have proven they are not willing to accept defeat and will do whatever it takes to get what they want, even if it means burning the country to the ground.
 
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Well, almost all of this can be debated so we can agree to disagree, but there's one thing I do want to hit on here and that's the divisiveness of the nation. First of all, this started in Obama's second term when police were beginning to be targeted by snipers and fake emergency calls. Second, it got exponentially worse when Donald Trump became president because Democrats, both politicians and a good chuck of the voters, have proven they are not willing to accept defeat and will do whatever it takes to get what they want, even if it means burning the country to the ground.
What I find most reprehensible about this thread is how about Atheists? They can vote for whoever they want but a Christian has to only vote for someone who expresses Christ? We only had two choices, neither of which expressed Christ. So what they are really saying is Christians cannot vote. For years they have raised a stink about anything to do with God. Don't want to pledge allegiance to one nation under God. Don't want to have school prayer. The country doesn't have to listen to the Bible. This is a secular nation, not a theocracy, etc. But then when Christians say OK, it's "how can you vote for this person, they are not Christian?" The hypocrisy is revolting. It is a secular nation, OK. It is not a theocracy, OK. We are presented with two candidates, neither of which expresses Christ, OK. We are citizens, we have the right to vote.

But since we are on the issue of racism, let's address it. When Obama was running for office the Pastor at his church had several videos of his sermons running on youtube. I considered those to be inflammatory and racist rants. How do you sit through those and let him preach to you? That preacher was, in my opinion, racist, and no one held Obama accountable for that. Yet the same people who had no issue with his racists rants are apoplectic with Trump?

Rev Jeremiah Wright "The US is a racist superpower", you should sing <Staff Edit>. Rev Wright's response to being questioned on this was to play the victim card.

Meanwhile Obama's response was I don't agree with everything he says but I'm not going to disown him anymore than I would disown my own community. OK, so why is Trump being raked over the coals for not disowning racists that support him? Hypocrisy is foul.
 
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What I find most reprehensible about this thread is how about Atheists? They can vote for whoever they want but a Christian has to only vote for someone who expresses Christ? We only had two choices, neither of which expressed Christ. So what they are really saying is Christians cannot vote. For years they have raised a stink about anything to do with God. Don't want to pledge allegiance to one nation under God. Don't want to have school prayer. The country doesn't have to listen to the Bible. This is a secular nation, not a theocracy, etc. But then when Christians say OK, it's "how can you vote for this person, they are not Christian?" The hypocrisy is revolting. It is a secular nation, OK. It is not a theocracy, OK. We are presented with two candidates, neither of which expresses Christ, OK. We are citizens, we have the right to vote.

But since we are on the issue of racism, let's address it. When Obama was running for office the Pastor at his church had several videos of his sermons running on youtube. I considered those to be inflammatory and racist rants. How do you sit through those and let him preach to you? That preacher was, in my opinion, racist, and no one held Obama accountable for that. Yet the same people who had no issue with his racists rants are apoplectic with Trump?

Rev Jeremiah Wright "The US is a racist superpower", you should sing <Staff Edit>. Rev Wright's response to being questioned on this was to play the victim card.

Meanwhile Obama's response was I don't agree with everything he says but I'm not going to disown him anymore than I would disown my own community. OK, so why is Trump being raked over the coals for not disowning racists that support him? Hypocrisy is foul.

That's why I keep stating that I vote based on policy and not the persons personal life. I don't know how anyone could make the argument for voting for someone who want's you to be able to abort a child up to the moment of birth over someone who wants to protect that child because they don't like his personal life.
 
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That's why I keep stating that I vote based on policy and not the persons personal life. I don't know how anyone could make the argument for voting for someone who want's you to be able to abort a child up to the moment of birth over someone who wants to protect that child because they don't like his personal life.
Excellent point.
 
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As a Christian, I believe that God puts in power whom He will. The problem being that they do not always live up to God's expectations. However, there is always a reason why God chooses whom He does. Saul was definately chosen by God to be King of Israel---he did not live up to what God wanted of Him, and very early on, God said the kingdom would be taken from him. However---it took God 20 years to do so!! And David would not lift his hand against the Lords chosen King. Trump is a narccistic, adulterer, liar, racist, and I heard him proudly state how he could just walk in on young women, some only 14-15 and stare at their nakied bodies and make them be "nice" to him because he owned the beauty pagent! He is on record stating he doesn't really need Jesus' forgiveness as he has not done anything wrong, at the most, nothing much!! As Christians we have an obligation to pray for whomsoever is in the Presidential seat. I'd rather have someone that is not a clown, and a 1st Lady who has not shown her near naked body to the whole world! All the more reason to pray and pray and pray about this election and for whomsoever wins it. Even if, it is the Jackass again! I was hoping that this COVID might humble him some---for God did use Nebuchednezzar and had to humble him---but I see no indication of any humbling so far! But God is not done with him yet!
 
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If you want a wake up call writing in votes won't work. First, they won't recognize your vote yet they will still recognize that you voted. This is what happened when people voted for a Ficus plant. If you want to wake them up don't vote. If they held and election for president and no one came that would completely undermine any appearance of a democracy, representative government or legitimacy. Suppose we had an election for president and 12 million people voted. That is less than 10% of the registered voters. One candidate got 5.5% of the votes and "won". It would be a farce. No one could deny it.


What do you mean they 'won't recognize your vote'? I know some people on here vote for other smaller parties or independents.

Well, that yet another issue with the US system, you can simply choose not vote. In theory that sounds democratic and all, but in practice that ^ is what happens. We have to vote, which is a pain but better than only 12 million people voting. Sure there is always a percentage of donkey votes but most people do tick the boxes.
 
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What do you mean they 'won't recognize your vote'? I know some people on here vote for other smaller parties or independents.
Watch Michael Moore's documentary about how he ran a Ficus against the incumbent. They refused to count the write in votes, so although they know for a fact that many people wrote in for the Ficus and although they know that the Ficus probably won in some districts if not the election as a whole, the votes for the Ficus were never counted. If you wrote in for a 3rd party that was picking up 1% or more of the vote they'll probably put that up, but otherwise they'll simply ignore your vote and count it as "improperly filled out".

Well, that yet another issue with the US system, you can simply choose not vote. In theory that sounds democratic and all, but in practice that ^ is what happens. We have to vote, which is a pain but better than only 12 million people voting. Sure there is always a percentage of donkey votes but most people do tick the boxes.
No, if we have to vote then it is not democratic. If you are not allowed to choose "none of the above" it is not democratic.
 
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Watch Michael Moore's documentary about how he ran a Ficus against the incumbent. They refused to count the write in votes, so although they know for a fact that many people wrote in for the Ficus and although they know that the Ficus probably won in some districts if not the election as a whole, the votes for the Ficus were never counted. If you wrote in for a 3rd party that was picking up 1% or more of the vote they'll probably put that up, but otherwise they'll simply ignore your vote and count it as "improperly filled out".

No, if we have to vote then it is not democratic. If you are not allowed to choose "none of the above" it is not democratic.

Right, I can see how 'well' your system is working for you.
 
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Christians generally view Trump as an advocate for godly principles, but his character often distracts Christians from recongnising that he is probably the most pro-gospel president in recent times.

What has he done that is pro-Gospel?
 
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This Christian voted for Biden. Trump has had numerous affairs, brags about grabbing women by the ___, He has done horrible things to the environment which we as Christians are to care for. Many of those who died of COVID did so because of his mismanagement. Yes, he has appointed pro-life judges, but I don’t think he is pro-life, he just wants the votes. His behavior during his recent COVID infection proves that he isn’t a leader. All he cares about as Trump.
 
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