What Christians think about Trump?

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Christians generally view Trump as an advocate for godly principles, but his character often distracts Christians from recongnising that he is probably the most pro-gospel president in recent times.

If that is what American's think a pro Gospel president should look like, than God help the US.
 
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If that is what American's think a pro Gospel president should look like, than God help the US.

I wouldn't call him "Pro Gospel" at all. But you critics are even more laughable than he is. If you wanted to worry about the US, you're a bit late. What about a half a million children dead in Iraq from Bush I and Clinton's sanctions? Or the million dead from Bush II's war? What about the mishandling of the "Arab Spring" which led to hundreds of thousands dead as well? What about the slave markets in Libya right as we speak? Or the millions of exiles from these conflicts? What about the entire Cold War, CIA drug trade, or pedophile rings catering to the elites in all of our countries (i.e. Epstein and friends)? There's so much more to lose your mind over about the US than some blowhard who makes rude Tweets. He hasn't started any new wars, but for some reason, he's Orange Hitler. He didn't create the virus - China did - but for some reason, the Orange man is Patient Zero.

So yeah.. "Pro Gospel" is vastly overdoing it. But at the same time, you all are overplaying your hand by making him out to be so despicable. No human being is as bad as this. You're taking it to movie monster or comic book villain levels of evil. It's just neverending. The guy is on constant blast 24/7 and accused of being the worst human being in every possible way. Every day there is a new outrage. And I'm not even sure if any of you are sincere at all. I never heard this amount of outrage even at Dick Cheney. There's something very suspect when Trump is more evil than Cheney.

And I've said this before and I'll say it again: I didn't even vote for him. But this level of hatred has made me reconsider everything about him. This madness has backfired in my case.
 
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I wouldn't call him "Pro Gospel" at all. But you critics are even more laughable than he is. If you wanted to worry about the US, you're a bit late. What about a half a million children dead in Iraq from Bush I and Clinton's sanctions? Or the million dead from Bush II's war? What about the mishandling of the "Arab Spring" which led to hundreds of thousands dead as well? What about the slave markets in Libya right as we speak? Or the millions of exiles from these conflicts? What about the entire Cold War, CIA drug trade, or pedophile rings catering to the elites in all of our countries (i.e. Epstein and friends)? There's so much more to lose your mind over about the US than some blowhard who makes rude Tweets. He hasn't started any new wars, but for some reason, he's Orange Hitler. He didn't create the virus - China did - but for some reason, the Orange man is Patient Zero.

I only commented on what I thought of Trump, this thread wasn't on what we thought about those other things.

'Orange man'?

So yeah.. "Pro Gospel" is vastly overdoing it. But at the same time, you all are overplaying your hand by making him out to be so despicable. No human being is as bad as this. You're taking it to movie monster or comic book villain levels of evil. It's just neverending. The guy is on constant blast 24/7 and accused of being the worst human being in every possible way. Every day there is a new outrage. And I'm not even sure if any of you are sincere at all. I never heard this amount of outrage even at Dick Cheney. There's something very suspect when Trump is more evil than Cheney.

The man is an womanizing racist, let alone all the other things that he has said or done. If he was some nobody it wouldn't matter as much but he's the president of your country. He is the public face of what your country stands for. Just because there are worse people around does not make him good.
If it was only rude Tweets while he made sensible solid decisions that helped the country economically and in education and health I am sure a lot more of his failing would be overlooked.
My American friend with Mito spends $700 per month on needed medication because there is no help or coverage for them. It’s a debilitating and potentially fatal disease, it isn't make-up, her family needs those items.

I don't know what Dick Cheney has said or done to react.

And I've said this before and I'll say it again: I didn't even vote for him. But this level of hatred has made me reconsider everything about him. This madness has backfired in my case.

So if we say anything against the man that is extreme hatred?
If I was American I would be voting independent while trying very hard to emigrate and not just because of Trump.
 
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The man is an womanizing racist, let alone all the other things that he has said or done.

He is more than likely a womanizer. Racist not so much. Some of the very people who magically see him as racist now were once fine to be in his company. Like Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton. And if he's racist, then so are you. Because he's got plenty of black supporters. You're basically calling all of them duped and unable to think for themselves. You're like Biden who said, "If you don't vote for me, you ain't black." Now that's a real racist statement.



My American friend with Mito spends $700 per month on needed medication because there is no help or coverage for them. It’s a debilitating and potentially fatal disease, it isn't make-up, her family needs those items.

The medical problem definitely needs to be fixed, but to lay that at his feet is ridiculous. He's not even a politician and only been in office for a lousy 3 years. Yet you're going to blame him over the thousands of career politicians who've been in this system for decades. Besides, Trump has worked reducing the price of prescription drugs. Trump Signs New Executive Order On Prescription Drug Prices . But obviously, there needs to be a systematic overhaul.

I don't know what Dick Cheney has said or done to react.

That's surprising. Both of our countries have/had troops in Iraq, due to that man's actions. Maybe you should learn.
 
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If that is what American's think a pro Gospel president should look like, than God help the US.
Does anyone realize how catastrophic Clinton would have been? Her husband was seen on pedophile island, Epstein's death as a "suicide" is a travesty of justice. If she was president what kind of scandal would be rocking the scandal rags right now?

By comparison Trump losing 400 million and paying $750 in income tax one year would be on page 15 of the WSJ.

This is the kind of slander Christians are hit with all the time. How could Christians have voted for him? They had two choices, pick a woman whose husband was a lascivious man, very possibly a pedophile, who had a lot of suspicious deaths surround her every time some scandal is uncovered, who used her foundation to enrich herself while Secretary of State while risking US security, who colluded with the Democratic party to shut out the Bernie supporters, and who supports the termination of unborn babies tossing them into the garbage, or pick Trump.

There was no "christian" option. They hypocrisy and slander of these accusations the Lord will judge.
 
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And I've said this before and I'll say it again: I didn't even vote for him. But this level of hatred has made me reconsider everything about him. This madness has backfired in my case.
Excellent post, excellent points.
 
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The man is an womanizing racist, let alone all the other things that he has said or done. If he was some nobody it wouldn't matter as much but he's the president of your country. He is the public face of what your country stands for. Just because there are worse people around does not make him good.
True and you are echoing what all the Christians who voted for him said. They didn't vote for him because he was good, rather they voted for him because the option was Hillary Clinton. Do you really want the face of the country right now, in the midst of this pandemic, to have her husband on the front page of the news for visiting pedophile island? Do you really think having that scandal compete with Epstein's "suicide" while in custody under suicide watch for space on the Scandal rags, do you really think that would be a better face for America?

If it was only rude Tweets while he made sensible solid decisions that helped the country economically and in education and health I am sure a lot more of his failing would be overlooked.
My American friend with Mito spends $700 per month on needed medication because there is no help or coverage for them. It’s a debilitating and potentially fatal disease, it isn't make-up, her family needs those items.
I support medicaid for all, I support socialized medicine. But Bernie wasn't an option, Hillary Clinton made sure of that. Trump was not elected by Christians over Bernie, getting rid of Bernie was a decision that the Democrats made, primarily a decision made by Clinton and the Democratic party.

I don't know what Dick Cheney has said or done to react.
Orchestrated an invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan to secure oil and a gas pipeline. Made sure we didn't catch Osama during their administration. Very strong suspicion supported by a tremendous amount of evidence that he orchestrated 9/11.

So if we say anything against the man that is extreme hatred?
If I was American I would be voting independent while trying very hard to emigrate and not just because of Trump.
John Wayne would call you yellow.
 
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No, when Christians claim to stand for certain beliefs, values, and principles then virtually swear unfettered loyalty to one who represents the opposite of those ... then it would seem clear that those standards are built on sand. Essentially as long I agree with a person's policies, in this case quite debatable, than my Christian beliefs can be set aside...
Hi jermayn,

Just wanted to respond quickly to a post that you made:



Yes, but hopefully you realize that that's a two-edged sword. The same thing applies to what one believes about any candidate.



I honestly don't think that anyone votes on who they believe has 'never' sinned. That isn't even an issue with most voters for the very reason that you claim. There are no candidates, or even people who can be candidates, that have never sinned. So, I believe that you're changing the terms of the discussion here because, as I say, no one votes for who they believe has never sinned.



Or, he could be like most of us when we came to love the Lord. Understand from what he reads here what depth of sin he holds in his soul...and repent and be saved. I know that when I trusted Jesus, it was because I realized my sin and my need for a Savior. That because I was a sinner, I couldn't save myself. I think it is because of the realization of our sin that we seek salvation. After all, if I'm a good fellow, what need have I of Jesus? I'm going to receive God's mercy anyway.

Listening to Mr. Trump's words concerning the partaking of communion, I really don't think he has any grasp whatsoever that he's a sinner. Here are just a couple of blurbs that would indicate to me that all his talk about wooing the evangelical base because he tries to show that he's one of them:

At the nondenominational First Christian Church, in Council Bluffs, Mr Trump reportedly mistook the silver Communion plates that were passed around as the offering plates and dug out some dollar bills from his pocket. “I thought it was for offering,” he told his staff members, according to the Associated Press. He later placed some notes in the offering plate, or offertory.

"People are so shocked when they find … out I am Protestant. I am Presbyterian. And I go to church and I love God and I love my church,” he said.

Moderator Frank Luntz asked Trump whether he has ever asked God for forgiveness for his actions.

“I am not sure I have. I just go on and try to do a better job from there. I don’t think so,” he said. “I think if I do something wrong, I think, I just try and make it right. I don’t bring God into that picture. I don’t.”

Trump said that while he hasn’t asked God for forgiveness, he does participate in Holy Communion.

“When I drink my little wine — which is about the only wine I drink — and have my little cracker, I guess that is a form of asking for forgiveness, and I do that as often as possible because I feel cleansed,” he said. “I think in terms of ‘let’s go on and let’s make it right.'”

Now seriously, how many born again believers do you know that don't know if they've ever asked God for forgiveness? He, in fact, goes on to say that he didn't think so. He says, “I think if I do something wrong, I think, I just try and make it right. I don’t bring God into that picture. I don’t.”

He doesn't bring God into it. Really? Sounds like a lot of born again believers that you know? And for him it isn't 'sin', it's that he did something wrong. Like he put tab A into tab C instead of tab B. Just made a mistake. Did something wrong. He tries better next time to make sure that he puts tab A into tab B.

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Ted

1: Yes, it is a two edged sword and that's why I compare candidates policies rather than personal life. If you compare Trump's policies to Biden's proposed policies, it's laughable that anyone would think Biden's are more closely aligned with biblical principles, but that's off topic, so I digress.

2: If no one votes on who they think has never sinned, then why are there so many people using Trump's past sin to make a case against voting for him?

3: The problem with many of the Trump haters in these forums is that
a. They very harshly call out his sin in a way that show's their utter disdain for Trump and anyone that supports him.
b. There's no mention of how to be forgiven of said sins. As I said, just sins thrown in the face of a sinner.

2 Timothy 2:25 "Gently instruct those who oppose the truth. Perhaps God will change those people’s hearts, and they will learn the truth."
 
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No, when Christians claim to stand for certain beliefs, values, and principles then virtually swear unfettered loyalty to one who represents the opposite of those ... then it would seem clear that those standards are built on sand. Essentially as long I agree with a person's policies, in this case quite debatable, than my Christian beliefs can be set aside...

Your first mistake is to assume supporting the President means we've sworn unfettered loyalty to him. I'm not sure why people on the left seem to think our only options are to either absolutely despise Trump or worship him like he's God. Second, I've already stated that I vote for the candidate who's policies I feel are most in line with God's word, so how am I setting my Christian beliefs aside?
 
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He's a rapscallion who too many Christians think is the new Cyrus sent from God to save America. Wrap the cross in a flag and this is the result.

I definitely do see Trump as a man God sent to take over the White House, but not to save America; to punish America.
 
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Your first mistake is to assume supporting the President means we've sworn unfettered loyalty to him. I'm not sure why people on the left seem to think our only options are to either absolutely despise Trump or worship him like he's God. Second, I've already stated that I vote for the candidate who's policies I feel are most in line with God's word, so how am I setting my Christian beliefs aside?

Your first mistake is assuming people opposed to trump must be on the left, they aren't! Secondly, a objective perusal of the threads on CF demonstrate that that many t-supporters are ready, willing, and questionably able to defend trump's myriad statements and actions. Which is why as has been noted the "all have sinned" and arguments against MSM fall flatter than a pancake. Lastly, the claim of his godly policies seems to be a considerable stretch... a sort of last line of a weak defense.

I'm not attempting to invoke a false dilemma ... but here and elsewhere it is extremely for his supporters to offer criticism...maybe at times in the most tacit of ways.
 
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Hi jermayn,

This thread is really getting too long for my continued participation, but...

You asked a question of me and so I'll answer, as to my understanding.
If no one votes on who they think has never sinned, then why are there so many people using Trump's past sin to make a case against voting for him?

That's bad logic. To say that no one tries to vote for someone who has never sinned, because there is no one who has never sinned. Isn't quite comparative to someone choosing one whose sins they see as less than another's. Bad logic, but nice try.

You also claimed:
They very harshly call out his sin in a way that show's their utter disdain for Trump and anyone that supports him.

That's probably true. I imagine it's just as true as those who support Trump showing utter disdain for those who don't. My uncle, wonderful man who I have had a great relationship for most all of my life, won't even talk to me. A dear neighbor of mine, when I told her that I wouldn't be voting for Trump, immediately turned to me and said, "You're a sad, sad, sad man."

These are both people with whom I have had wonderful and close relationships with in the past.

There's no mention of how to be forgiven of said sins. As I said, just sins thrown in the face of a sinner.

Now, I can't speak for anyone else, but myself. I don't really look at or consider Donald Trump as a 'sinner'. I understand that we're all sinners. I look at the nature of the man, as you can check my posts for the last 4 years on this subject. I don't like the man's nature. I don't like the man's leadership abilities. I don't think the man's policies are of any particularly great value. I don't like the man's ego or prideful nature.

To constantly and always be boasting of who he is and the things that he has done and make comparisons that no one else has ever been like him, who has sat in his big chair. To constantly denigrate and name call professional people and other nation leaders. To hurt all of us with this fun little game he's playing with tariffs that honestly isn't doing any of the things that he said they would do. China isn't being brought to its knees. Yes, they've had to deal with some amount of hardship for which they seem to have adapted quite well. Our trade deficit is literally greater than it was 3 years ago when all of this started.

In my estimation, the man is not a good business man. He's filed for bankruptcy protection more time than most other business owners. Many, many of his businesses are flighty and have been closed down by government intervention. Who does that? He literally stole from a charitable foundation of his making. Using the funds for personal gain.

His wall is pretty much a joke. He's built, what, 4 miles of new wall? At a cost of many, many, many billions of dollars. He hasn't balanced the budget nor paid off any of our debt. In fact, those matters are both worse today than they were the day he sat down in the big chair. Our entire nation is at one another's throat over his divisive talk. We've never... let me repeat, never, been in this situation as a nation. Where, just as you have pointed out, there is just sooooo much hate and anxiety over our government administration. His handling of this health pandemic is just abysmal.

He flaunts all of the rules. Taxes. Running and promoting his businesses while in office. Putting his entire family on the government dole. His family goes to a debate in which it is made very, very clear that all of those in attendance as guests are required to wear masks, and immediately upon entering the venue refuse to wear them even when a staff person tries to offer them masks and explains to them that everyone agreed to this. He can't even allow, in the debate, the other person the agreed upon 2 minutes of uninterrupted response time.

You support that? You find this man to be worthy to lead our great nation? A nation that was a lot greater in solidarity and civility before he came into being the president.

Well, I'm sorry, but I don't. It's got nothing to do with, "He's a sinner!!!!!" Pointing my finger in condemnation and asking God to smite his sinning soul. It's just that he's not a nice person. Not a good leader. Not particularly wise or smart. Not really any greater than a lot of other people that make this nation the great nation that it is.

Just thought I'd update this post, since it hits on Trumps ability to follow the rules that the rest of us try to follow: A chirp from Trump’s @realDonaldTrump account posted Monday was plastered over with the message: “This Tweet is no longer available because it violated the Twitter Rules.”

God bless,
Ted
 
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I don't view Trump as a role model for Christians, nor is he presidential

He's a business man who tries to run the country like a business.

On some things it works, but his demeanor tarnishes anything good he has accomplished.
 
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But do honestly most you believe he will save America and he is choosen one?
I don't. I believe he's got leadership issues since he can't hold an administration together, he's basically been our troll-in-chief for the last four years. But that did pay off with Iran. And he's not as bad as I thought he would be when he was elected. And he's been better than the Democrats on some very important issues this last term. Unfortunately, that's not saying a whole lot, and unfortunately we're either getting more of him or an enemy of freedom as our next President.
or he is just with Illuminati and pretend to be with the people.
I don't believe the Illuminati exist, but if they did, I think it's plausible that he would be one of their puppets.
 
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I don't believe the Illuminati exist, but if they did, I think it's plausible that he would be one of their puppets.
I'm pretty sure that "puppet regimes" are much more careful about what they say, making sure they only speak what the puppeteer agrees with. I cannot believe any illuminati could control what Trump says.
 
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I'm pretty sure that "puppet regimes" are much more careful about what they say, making sure they only speak what the puppeteer agrees with. I cannot believe any illuminati could control what Trump says.
I don't believe they are real, but if they were real, it would make complete sense that they would want you to think that.
 
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I don't believe they are real, but if they were real, it would make complete sense that they would want you to think that.
With logic like that everything points to the illuminati.

I'll put my faith in Jesus, all those who put trust in people or idols will see their hope blown away in a single blast from the Lord
 
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