The 70 Weeks of Daniel

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The new covenant was fulfilled, completed when Jersus rose from the dead.

There was no spreading to the gospel of the new covenant until after the resurection because the resurrection is part of it.

Were those who believed on Christ during His ministry saved under His New Covenant, or under the old?

These Scriptures point to a New Covenant that was already extant, and in force and effect, even before the resurrection.

Those who believed on Christ were already saved under it, even before the resurrection.


Daniel 9
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Matthew 26
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Mark 14
24 And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.

Luke 22
20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
 
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Were those who believed on Christ during His ministry saved under His New Covenant, or under the old?
During Jesus's ministry...

Luke 18

31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.

32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:

33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.

34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

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Jesus's disciples did not understand what was going to happen in regards to the new covenant. Jesus opened their minds to it after the resurrection, in Luke 24:44-48.

The messiah cutoff is in Daniel 9. The messiah rising from the dead on the third day is not.
 
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What do you think He meant when He said "It is finished." in John 19:30?


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The speaker left out the messiah rising on the third day part of the new covenant in Christ.
 
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During Jesus's ministry...

Luke 18

31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.

32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:

33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.

34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

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Jesus's disciples did not understand what was going to happen in regards to the new covenant. Jesus opened their minds to it after the resurrection, in Luke 24:44-48.

The messiah cutoff is in Daniel 9. The messiah rising from the dead on the third day is not.

What they understood is irrelevant to the question.

Those who believed on Christ included many more than just the disciples.

You didn't answer the question, so here it is again:

Were those who believed on Christ during His ministry saved under His New Covenant, or under the old?

A simple "New" or "old" will suffice.
 
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What they understood is irrelevant to the question.

Those who believed on Christ included many more than just the disciples.

You didn't answer the question, so here it is again:

Were those who believed on Christ during His ministry saved under His New Covenant, or under the old?

A simple "New" or "old" will suffice.
Your question is flawed because it is ambiguous. You need to refine it.

Did they believe, or even understand what Jesus told in Luke 18:31-34 ? No, they did not. Did they believe on the risen Christ? No they did not, because it hadn't happen at that point.

It was not until after the resurrection...that they understood. And they believed upon Jesus the risen Christ.

Luke 24:52-53

52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:

53 And were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God. Amen.

You cannot sever the risen Christ from the new covenant.
 
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Your question is flawed because it is ambiguous. You need to refine it.

Did they believe, or even understand what Jesus told in Luke 18:31-34 ? No, they did not. Did they believe on the risen Christ? No they did not, because it hadn't happen at that point.

It was not until after the resurrection...that they understood. And they believed upon Jesus the risen Christ.

Luke 24:52-53

52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:

53 And were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God. Amen.

You cannot sever the risen Christ from the new covenant.

You continue to evade the question, so I'll answer it for you.

What did the disciples understand and believe about Jesus?

They understood and believed that He was the Christ, the Son of the Living God. (Matthew 16:16)

Before His resurrection.

And as a result of that understanding and belief, they were in New Covenant with Him.

A New Covenant already in force and effect.

Before His resurrection.

As the Scriptures in Daniel and the Gospels testify.
 
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Because the crucifixion took place as the Sabbath approached later that evening. Which would have been sundown on Friday. Friday was the sixth day, when Jesus was crucified.

Thrusday - the fifth day
Wednesday - the fourth day
Tues - the third day
Monday - the second day

Sunday the first day - when Jesus arrived in Jerusalem riding the donkey, hailed as the messiah by his followers waving palms branches.
The Sabbath was the Passover on Thursday. It was a High Sabbath not the weekly Sabbath. Jesus was on the Cross Wednesday afternoon, but was buried before 6pm, the start of Passover on Thursday. Friday was the day the Sanhedren told Pilate to roll the stone and seal the tomb. They heard something may happen. So the Woman could not get into the tomb on Friday, because it was sealed and guarded so they came back early Sunday morning.
 
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The Sabbath was the Passover on Thursday. It was a High Sabbath not the weekly Sabbath. Jesus was on the Cross Wednesday afternoon, but was buried before 6pm, the start of Passover on Thursday. Friday was the day the Sanhedren told Pilate to roll the stone and seal the tomb. They heard something may happen. So the Woman could not get into the tomb on Friday, because it was sealed and guarded so they came back early Sunday morning.
There are two feasts involved. The passover meal of eating the lamb (14 Nissan ). And a 7 day feast of eating unleaven bread - which begins the day (15 Nissan) after the passover meal of the lamb. (see my post #150.)

The day before the passover and eating unleaven bread for the 7 days following - is the preparation day, when the Jew were to search their homes for any signs of leaven, yeast, which represented sin.

The day that Jesus was crucified was the preparation day, a Friday, and is why the pharisees appealed to Pilate to take steps that Jesus would die before the sabbath begin at sundown Friday. But Jesus was already dead, when the soldiers got to him to break his legs - a method used to hasten death. So it was not necessary to break any of Jesus's bones.

Friday = preparation day
Saturday = the sabbath, and for that sabbath the Passover holy day making that sabbath a high sabbath, and then the first day of eating unleavened bread.

Jesus was in the grave - Friday, then Saturday, and then on the third day Sunday rose from the dead.
 
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The speaker left out the messiah rising on the third day part of the new covenant in Christ.


That is because he knows the New Covenant was fulfilled at Calvary by Christ's death, and he is not trying to prove your man-made interpretation of Daniel chapter 9.


Heb_9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

Your Bible says the same thing.


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That is because he knows the New Covenant was fulfilled at Calvary by Christ's death, and he is not trying to prove your man-made interpretation of Daniel chapter 9.


Heb_9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

Your Bible says the same thing.


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You cannot sever Jesus rising from the dead on the third day from the new covenant in Christ.

Friday = preparation day - Jesus crucified, atonement for sins finished by his death, shed blood.

Saturday = the sabbath, and for that sabbath the Passover holy day making that sabbath a high sabbath, and then the first day of eating unleavened bread.

Jesus was in the grave - Friday, then Saturday, and then on the third day Sunday rose from the dead. new covenant in Christ completed.
 
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You cannot sever Jesus rising from the dead on the third day from the new covenant in Christ.

Friday = preparation day - Jesus crucified, atonement for sins finished by his death, shed blood.

Saturday = the sabbath, and for that sabbath the Passover holy day making that sabbath a high sabbath, and then the first day of eating unleavened bread.

Jesus was in the grave - Friday, then Saturday, and then on the third day Sunday rose from the dead. new covenant in Christ completed.


Heb_9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.


Either you are confused, or the author of the Book of Hebrews is confused above.

If seems that some of us will say almost anything in an effort to hang onto our man-made Bible interpretation. Admitting we were wrong is just to painful, and look at all the charts that would have to be corrected...



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Heb_9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.


Either you are confused, or the author of the Book of Hebrews is confused above.

If seems that some of us will say almost anything in an effort to hang onto our man-made Bible interpretation. Admitting we were wrong is just to painful, and look at all the charts that would have to be corrected...



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No one is arguing that Jesus's death, shed blood, was the atonement for sins under the new covenant. Atonement for sins finished when Jesus died.

But you cannot sever Jesus rising from the dead on the third day from the new covenant. The new covenant was completed when Jesus rose from the dead on the third day.

The issue at hand is what is meant by "it" is finished. The "it" is the atonement for sins. Not the completion of the new covenant.

The speaker in the video is New-Covenant-Theology. I put the dashes in to distinguish it a a man-made movement. As is Covenant-Theology. And Dispensationalism-Theology.

Covenant-Theology and New-Covenant-Theology don't recognize Jesus being anointed by the woman in Bethany, as Jesus being anointed for his burial. And instead revert back to Jesus being baptized by John in the wilderness 3 years plus earlier... in their interpretation of Daniel 9.

And the speaker in the video did not mention that on the cross was the sign - Jesus of Nazerth, King of the Jews - and its significance.
 
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No one is arguing that Jesus's death, shed blood, was the atonement for sins under the new covenant. Atonement for sins finished when Jesus died.

But you cannot sever Jesus rising from the dead on the third day from the new covenant. The new covenant was completed when Jesus rose from the dead on the third day.

The issue at hand is what is meant by "it" is finished. The "it" is the atonement for sins. Not the completion of the new covenant.

The speaker in the video is New-Covenant-Theology. I put the dashes in to distinguish it a a man-made movement. As is Covenant-Theology. And Dispensationalism-Theology.

Covenant-Theology and New-Covenant-Theology don't recognize Jesus being anointed by the woman in Bethany, as Jesus being anointed for his burial. And instead revert back to Jesus being baptized by John in the wilderness 3 years plus earlier... in their interpretation of Daniel 9.

And the speaker in the video did not mention that on the cross was the sign - Jesus of Nazerth, King of the Jews - and its significance.


If your argument was correct, Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, would have nothing to do with the New Covenant, because His resurrection is not mentioned in those passages.
The same is true of the passage below.

You are attempting to climb a straight, smooth, vertical cliff face, without any equipment.


Heb 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Heb 9:16 For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb 9:17 For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives.
Heb 9:18 Therefore not even the first covenant was dedicated without blood.
Heb 9:19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and goats, with water, scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people,
Heb 9:20 saying, "THIS IS THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT WHICH GOD HAS COMMANDED YOU."
Heb 9:21 Then likewise he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle and all the vessels of the ministry.
Heb_9:22 And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission.


Jer 31:34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."

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There are two feasts involved. The passover meal of eating the lamb (14 Nissan ). And a 7 day feast of eating unleaven bread - which begins the day (15 Nissan) after the passover meal of the lamb. (see my post #150.)

The day before the passover and eating unleaven bread for the 7 days following - is the preparation day, when the Jew were to search their homes for any signs of leaven, yeast, which represented sin.

The day that Jesus was crucified was the preparation day, a Friday, and is why the pharisees appealed to Pilate to take steps that Jesus would die before the sabbath begin at sundown Friday. But Jesus was already dead, when the soldiers got to him to break his legs - a method used to hasten death. So it was not necessary to break any of Jesus's bones.

Friday = preparation day
Saturday = the sabbath, and for that sabbath the Passover holy day making that sabbath a high sabbath, and then the first day of eating unleavened bread.

Jesus was in the grave - Friday, then Saturday, and then on the third day Sunday rose from the dead.
No, Wednesday was the preparation day. Jesus was not in the tomb only on Saturday. If he was buried Friday by 6pm, that was the Sabbath. You cannot bury the body around 5pm on Friday and declare Friday as one of the tomb days. Your scenario has Jesus in the Tomb only 24 to 30 hours max. Early Sunday morning would be 12 hours or less after 6pm, so about 4 or 5 am. According to you He may have been in the tomb from 5pm Friday to 1am Sunday morning.

Jesus was placed in the tomb before 6pm Wednesday. Jesus was in the tomb Thursday the Passover. Friday the preparation day, and Saturday the Sabbath.
 
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Heb_9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

No one is arguing that Jesus's death, shed blood, was the atonement for sins under the new covenant. Atonement for sins finished when Jesus died.

But you cannot sever Jesus rising from the dead on the third day from the new covenant. The new covenant was completed when Jesus rose from the dead on the third day.

The issue at hand is what is meant by "it" is finished. The "it" is the atonement for sins. Not the completion of the new covenant.

The speaker in the video is New-Covenant-Theology. I put the dashes in to distinguish it a a man-made movement. As is Covenant-Theology. And Dispensationalism-Theology.

Covenant-Theology and New-Covenant-Theology don't recognize Jesus being anointed by the woman in Bethany, as Jesus being anointed for his burial. And instead revert back to Jesus being baptized by John in the wilderness 3 years plus earlier... in their interpretation of Daniel 9.

And the speaker in the video did not mention that on the cross was the sign - Jesus of Nazerth, King of the Jews - and its significance
Do you agree (@Douggg) that Hebrews 9:15 is referring to those who were originally under the Mosaic Covenant being freed from the penalty of their sin by Jesus' death on the Cross? And that the inheritance referred to there is for ALL who believe on Christ Jesus (Gentiles included)?
 
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No, Wednesday was the preparation day. Jesus was not in the tomb only on Saturday. If he was buried Friday by 6pm, that was the Sabbath.

The preparation day was the day before the Passover meal, which the Passover meal was ate on the Sabbath.
You cannot bury the body around 5pm on Friday and declare Friday as one of the tomb days. Your scenario has Jesus in the Tomb only 24 to 30 hours max. Early Sunday morning would be 12 hours or less after 6pm, so about 4 or 5 am. According to you He may have been in the tomb from 5pm Friday to 1am Sunday morning.
The prophecy is rise from the dead on the third day. Jesus died at 3 pm in the afternoon. Which is the first day of being dead. Then the Sabbath, passover meal day, the second day. Then on the third day Mary Magdalene discover the stone rolled away it was in early in the morning still dark, probably around 6 AM.

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The main point I was making regarding the 70 weeks of Daniel was the messiah did not arrive in Jerusalem and three and a half years later was cutoff, crucified. It was just a matter of days between arriving in Jerusalem as the messiah and being cutoff, crucified.
 
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The person originates from Europe.

People need to watch the prophecy videos from the former Muslim, now Christian, who was born in Bethlehem, and looks at prophecy from a middle eastern perspective, named Walid Shoebat - there are many of His videos on YouTube.
I can tell you that the consensus opinion from western prophecy teachers, is off in several areas.
 
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Cahn claims the Church needs to get back to its Jewish roots.
He is pushing the merger between Christianity and Judaism, which is preparing the planet for world government and its capitol in earthly Jerusalem.

I don’t know what your point is. He’s a messianic Jewish rabbi, and like most messianic rabbis, he teaches the prophetical significance of the Jewish feast days - not a thing wrong with that.

I wonder if you know that Jerusalem is going to be the capital city of God and Jesus, per Zechariah 14, and Revelation 21 and 22.
 
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