Why does God want me to lie to Him?

Questioning Brother said:

If he isn’t going to ACTUALLY (not spiritually)help, He doesn’t have enough to cover this pain. His comfort, strength patience means nothing to me. If He heals her, I don’t need them. If he doesn’t, no amount of them will be enough.

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That's your heart then... your only willing to love a God who jumps through your hoops and acquiesces to all your demands..

I have a disease that is the most painful chronic pain disease that exists. On the McGill pain index it rates 42, and that's pain that doesn't go away, it doesn't get better, there is no cure and it exists 24 hours a day 7 days a week.

On top of that, I lost my daughter to cancer just after her 23rd birthday, my father to cancer when I was only 22, I've been to hell and back more times than you can count, been through hell in life too with a severely physically abusive husband that left me disabled for life and my children scarred emotionally.

So yeah, I get how you feel... at the same time, sin and death and the trials of life is due to the sin in the world... God has offered us a savior who provides us with a reconciled relationship with him both in this life and in the next...

But God is God... it is we who are fallen. God isn't going to jump through hoops begging your love - He doesn't need it. It is we who need Him, for the relationship, for the comfort... not as a Santa Clause.

Don't let pain now stop you from the most amazing relationship you've ever known.... because it's you who are stopping it, not Him.

Be angry, grieve... rail if you need. But know, God IS God.

My hell? It resulted in a reconciled relationship with God, one that was worth all this and more just to know Him.

How you react is in your hand.

I agree "He doesnt" "His will for me apparently involves an intense amount of suffering,"

As mnorian said "The enemy wants you to suffer; not God"

Those thoughts are not from God. And there are very wise people of God here. be "wise" to listen.

Questioning Brother said:

If he didn’t want it, he wouldn’t let it happen. At best he is apathetic to the suffering.

I know part of it is I am a “journey” person rather than a “destination” person. A great journey to a mediocre to bad place is vastly preferable to a terrible journey to a great place.

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God is only apathetic to the point He allowed man to sin in the first place, but He's never been apathetic about it. He hates our condition far more than we.

He's been active, a help on our hour of need, a comfort, given us a way out... allowed us means to know Him regardless of what we've done.

In Isaiah it says:

"but they who trust in the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings like eagles; they shall run and not be weary; they shall walk and not faint."

I never imagined that wasn't some pie in sky wait until the afterlife, but for the here and now. In the midst of suffering this is what God can make you feel... because you know Him, and you know this present day is a drop in a far larger bucket, one where our tommorow has a hope and One in which to place our Trust..

I marvel at people who don't want to spend their afterlife with God for eternity. I for one cannot imagine even a moment not standing before His throne in worship - a throne we have access to even now.

Don't look for the god you created, look for the One who IS.. God.

Questioning Brother said:

In the Bible we are repeatedly told to pray for the spiritual things, like strength, grace, favor etc and God’s will. Truthfully, I am sick of The spiritual things. And since His will for me apparently involves an intense amount of suffering, I don’t want that either. So why does He want a lying prayer?

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QB,

Have you ever thought that God has granted your request for these things but they come with the benefits God brings with suffering?


God has a purpose in your life and mine by allowing us to suffer trials. He wants us to have faith that perseveres to maturity.

I also talk from personal experience. I've been through deep emotional and physical pain over the last 3 years and the Lord has taught me so much to help me persevere.

I encourage you to see trials from God's view.

Oz

Questioning Brother said:

I don’t want to be comforted. I want the cause of the suffering to be fixed. THAT would comfort me. No amount of words or arm around my shoulder type comforting will have an effect.

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QB,

Are you free to share what kind of pain you experience and the cause of it?

Oz

mnorian said:

The enemy wants you to suffer; not God.

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mnorian,

That's not what the Book of Job teaches:


However, the Lord used the Accuser (within God's limits) to bring devastation to Job.

"Remember what I told you: 'A servant is not greater than his master.' If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also" (John 15:20 NIV).

Oz

Hazelelponi said:

That's your heart then... your only willing to love a God who jumps through your hoops and acquiesces to all your demands..

I have a disease that is the most painful chronic pain disease that exists. On the McGill pain index it rates 42, and that's pain that doesn't go away, it doesn't get better, there is no cure and it exists 24 hours a day 7 days a week.

On top of that, I lost my daughter to cancer just after her 23rd birthday, my father to cancer when I was only 22, I've been to hell and back more times than you can count, been through hell in life too with a severely physically abusive husband that left me disabled for life and my children scarred emotionally.

So yeah, I get how you feel... at the same time, sin and death and the trials of life is due to the sin in the world... God has offered us a savior who provides us with a reconciled relationship with him both in this life and in the next...

But God is God... it is we who are fallen. God isn't going to jump through hoops begging your love - He doesn't need it. It is we who need Him, for the relationship, for the comfort... not as a Santa Clause.

Don't let pain now stop you from the most amazing relationship you've ever known.... because it's you who are stopping it, not Him.

Be angry, grieve... rail if you need. But know, God IS God.

My hell? It resulted in a reconciled relationship with God, one that was worth all this and more just to know Him.

How you react is in your hand.

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Thank you for sharing this , I too have been through darkness losing my precious grandson in a fire and not long after losing my grieving son as he couldn't cope. I have been bought closer to God and he's shown me that the only thing to live for is him and eternity. There is nothing more important. This pain is fleeting and I am aware that his pain was a million times worse than ours ever could be and yet because of us and for us he endured it so we could live with him when this life is finally over.

Questioning Brother said:

In the Bible we are repeatedly told to pray for the spiritual things, like strength, grace, favor etc and God’s will. Truthfully, I am sick of The spiritual things. And since His will for me apparently involves an intense amount of suffering, I don’t want that either. So why does He want a lying prayer?

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God's all about trust growing into love, so lying isn't really part of that picture.

In terms of what God wants for you, there's a balance in life.

A thematic verse for me today is that those who come to God must first believe that He is, and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him. In this context the passage speaks to overwhelming sentiment that God is not good, God's rewards are crap etc, this might be an attack on the foundation of your faith. It also may be related to sanctification.

Balance overall is important, however.

Questioning Brother said:

I want the cause of the suffering to be fixed.

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The cause of suffering is sin.
Jesus fixed that on a lonely cross some 2000 years ago on a hill outside Jerusalem.
Be patient.

Questioning Brother said:

That is a bit dense. I was referring to the more immediate cause.

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Maybe start with your attitude, its a bit woes me and selfish. You are not the only person to have suffering. You can choose to draw nearer to God in it and find a peace and hope for eternity and use that empathy which comes from pain to reach others or you can sulk and pull away from God and be miserable for eternity. We all have a cross to bear but we are blessed in that the cross that mattered was carried by Jesus so we could have life in him.

Questioning Brother said:

If he didn’t want it, he wouldn’t let it happen.

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He doesn't want IT, but he may be using it or speaking to you through it.

Questioning Brother said:

At best he is apathetic to the suffering.

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No, he's offering you peace, patience, strength and so on so that you can bear it. That doesn't seem to be good enough for you, however; the only help you seem to want to accept is physical healing.

Questioning Brother said:

I know part of it is I am a “journey” person rather than a “destination” person.

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Yet for Christians the destination is important - as well as knowing the One who can be with, and help us on, the journey.
Supposing God did heal your wife completely, and the next day you suffered a massive heart attack: your journey ended, you met God and you had to explain why you rejected his gifts and called him apathetic and uncaring?
Supposing you had the most fantastic journey ever - and then found that it came to an end and the rest of eternity was far longer than your brief journey?

Life is awful sometimes, and Christians are not immune from suffering.
I had a chronic illness for 18 years, I am now disabled and live with pain, (true, it's not too severe.)
Joni Eareckson-Tada became paralysed at the age of 17, and is now, I think, around 60. Yet she has an amazing ministry, ministering to those who are suffering and disabled. Some babies are born disabled, either mentally or physically; it's all they have ever known. Yet they may still become Christians and trust that God is with them in their circumstances.

Questioning Brother said:

A great journey to a mediocre to bad place is vastly preferable to a terrible journey to a great place.

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Supposing you have a rotten journey and arrive at an awful destination that could have been avoided had your journey been different, or had you decided to take another way?

Questioning Brother said:

If he isn’t going to ACTUALLY (not spiritually)help, He doesn’t have enough to cover this pain. His comfort, strength patience means nothing to me. If He heals her, I don’t need them. If he doesn’t, no amount of them will be enough.

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Let this post be the prayer you send to God. Are you afraid to tell him the truth to His face? He already knows how you feel. Tell him outright. Yell and scream at Him that you want him to do what you say or else He can shove off if that is what you truly want to say to Him.

Questioning Brother said:

In the Bible we are repeatedly told to pray for the spiritual things, like strength, grace, favor etc and God’s will. Truthfully, I am sick of The spiritual things. And since His will for me apparently involves an intense amount of suffering, I don’t want that either. So why does He want a lying prayer?

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He doesn't.

The lost person must first have a desire not to burn in the lake of fire for their sins. God has provided a way of escape by choosing that He Himself die for your sins -- pay your debt in advance and simply wait for you to choose to accept that way of salvation.

Once you do - you will experience the miracle of being born again - the "new creation" of 2 Cor 5 where "old things are passed away all things become new" -- no longer desiring the goals/values of your unconverted sinful nature as your primary goal in life.

All the lost would gladly say "yes I agree - please don't punish me for my sins" - but Christ then says "fine - you must agree to be - crucified with Christ so that you no longer live" ... Gal 2:20, Rom 6:1-10 says we are buried with Christ in order that we can be raised up as the new creation in "newness of life" - dead to our old self of sin. An "agreement" that not everyone is willing to sign up for - just for escaping the lake of fire which after all "is in the future".

Questioning Brother said:

That is a bit dense. I was referring to the more immediate cause.

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Sorry for referring to the root cause. I seem to have a bad habit of drilling down to root causes.

Questioning Brother said:

In the Bible we are repeatedly told to pray for the spiritual things, like strength, grace, favor etc and God’s will. Truthfully, I am sick of The spiritual things. And since His will for me apparently involves an intense amount of suffering, I don’t want that either. So why does He want a lying prayer?

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You can't lie to God. He sees past our words and knows our hearts. Might as well be honest with HIm. He already knows what really is going on with you! That is for your benefit and not His!

NothingIsImpossible said:

One mistake people often make is becoming saved and thinking "I guess this means my life will be amazing now!". Truth is your life doesn't change so to speak. Suffering will still exists, saved or not. Sin is in the world and thus we suffer. Praying for there to be no suffering would be great if it was always something that worked. But it's impossible not to have some sort of suffering, hardships...etc.

My family will die, friends will die, pets will die, people will get sick like myself, I may lose money and so on. This is all normal. You have to stop seeing God as a genie to live a perfect life and look at the future life ahead of you after you die. There is no suffering there, no pain, no worry...etc.

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This is true. I hate prosperity gospel bc it gets you addicted to what can do instead of just trusting in who He is. As i say this my own little baby is in thd ER and has been for some days. Life is what it is this earth isnt all there is.

Hazelelponi said:

That's your heart then... your only willing to love a God who jumps through your hoops and acquiesces to all your demands..

I have a disease that is the most painful chronic pain disease that exists. On the McGill pain index it rates 42, and that's pain that doesn't go away, it doesn't get better, there is no cure and it exists 24 hours a day 7 days a week.

On top of that, I lost my daughter to cancer just after her 23rd birthday, my father to cancer when I was only 22, I've been to hell and back more times than you can count, been through hell in life too with a severely physically abusive husband that left me disabled for life and my children scarred emotionally.

So yeah, I get how you feel... at the same time, sin and death and the trials of life is due to the sin in the world... God has offered us a savior who provides us with a reconciled relationship with him both in this life and in the next...

But God is God... it is we who are fallen. God isn't going to jump through hoops begging your love - He doesn't need it. It is we who need Him, for the relationship, for the comfort... not as a Santa Clause.

Don't let pain now stop you from the most amazing relationship you've ever known.... because it's you who are stopping it, not Him.

Be angry, grieve... rail if you need. But know, God IS God.

My hell? It resulted in a reconciled relationship with God, one that was worth all this and more just to know Him.

How you react is in your hand.

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Thats a lot to deal with. How did you handle losing your daughter to cancer ?

Macchiato said:

Thats a lot to deal with. How did you handle losing your daughter to cancer ?

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That was probably the most difficult thing I ever dealt with... but I don't know, I just placed her in God's hand, and trusted Him with her, in this life and the next.... plus, I just count it a blessing to have known her.

Without that mentality I doubt I could have survived it.