Coronavirus half as deadly as seasonal flu according to WHO's own numbers

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I don't think that anyone is naive enough to state that this virus is not deadly or very harmful to the body of some... with lasting effects...

I think that they are saying that it is not even close to being as deadly as we were lead to believe.

I mean... if I think back... it was presented as if "You get this... you are probably going to die"... Well.. that is not the case .... is it?
Maybe in Canada but certainly not in the UK. Here it was presented as a case of anyone could die from it and not just the vulnerable who are normally at risk from flu.
 
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I am not going to subscribe to this periodical, but from what I was able to read it called it a "deadly strain" of the virus -- true. They said it had sickened hundreds in china and killed 6 -- also true. There was no comparison with Ebola.

So I see no support for your claims that they were saying it was like Ebola or that you would be lucky to live (6 dead out of hundreds indicates the odds are strongly in your favor of not dying).
That's fine. I have no responsibility to convince you of anything. It is a well known fact that this virus was originally presented as a much more deadly illness than it ended up to truthfully be.
Just ask around.. and think back... or..... deny it.
 
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I don't think that anyone is naive enough to state that this virus is not deadly or very harmful to the body of some... with lasting effects...

I think that they are saying that it is not even close to being as deadly as we were lead to believe.

I mean... if I think back... it was presented as if "You get this... you are probably going to die"... Well.. that is not the case .... is it?

Agreed. They made it sound so bad you go outside and you are going to drop dead but that is not the case. They completely lied and still are.
 
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Agreed. They made it sound so bad you go outside and you are going to drop dead but that is not the case. They completely lied and still are.
I had followed carefully what was being spoken and about a week before the schools were shut down in NY answered questions the kids had. I told them that they are saying that those who are older than 70 are most at risk as well as those who have asthma or a compromised immune system. Otherwise, there was little to worry about if you were young and healthy. That was in March. I think the message they are sending now is significantly more worrisome for people who are young and healthy than the one I heard in the Spring.
 
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That's fine. I have no responsibility to convince you of anything. It is a well known fact that this virus was originally presented as a much more deadly illness than it ended up to truthfully be.
Just ask around.. and think back... or..... deny it.
We are six months in and 200,000 Americans have died. By comparison the Spanish Flu which was around for 3 years and the second wave was the worst, the Spanish Flu killed an estimated 675,000 Americans. So although this pandemic is not as deadly as the Spanish Flu yet, you have to stress the term "yet". If we have 400,000 die in the second wave it will certainly be as deadly. We are getting better at treating it, and who knows, maybe the vaccine will come to the rescue.

Some complain that many of those listed as having died from Covid19 were not confirmed to have died from it or to have died solely from it. However that is far more true of the Spanish Flu, we didn't confirm 90% of the deaths attributed to it. In short they come up with this number based on showing how many more died than you would have expected based on statistical analysis. Using the same method that we use to estimate the deaths from the Spanish Flu our number for Covid19 would be closer to 300,000 right now.
 
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We are six months in and 200,000 Americans have died. By comparison the Spanish Flu which was around for 3 years and the second wave was the worst, the Spanish Flu killed an estimated 675,000 Americans. So although this pandemic is not as deadly as the Spanish Flu yet, you have to stress the term "yet". If we have 400,000 die in the second wave it will certainly be as deadly. We are getting better at treating it, and who knows, maybe the vaccine will come to the rescue.

Some complain that many of those listed as having died from Covid19 were not confirmed to have died from it or to have died solely from it. However that is far more true of the Spanish Flu, we didn't confirm 90% of the deaths attributed to it. In short they come up with this number based on showing how many more died than you would have expected based on statistical analysis. Using the same method that we use to estimate the deaths from the Spanish Flu our number for Covid19 would be closer to 300,000 right now.
All I'm saying is this... when it first broke out.. people felt like it was so bad that "If you get it... you may die".... Very scary stuff.

It has not turned out that way... fortunately.
 
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Saw a meme you're twice as likely to die from an comet strike than from Covid.

It may not be all that deadly outside of old people, but it can still mess you up. It can damage organs, leave blood clots, and leave other problems for a very long period of time.
 
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We are six months in and 200,000 Americans have died. By comparison the Spanish Flu which was around for 3 years and the second wave was the worst, the Spanish Flu killed an estimated 675,000 Americans. So although this pandemic is not as deadly as the Spanish Flu yet, you have to stress the term "yet". If we have 400,000 die in the second wave it will certainly be as deadly. We are getting better at treating it, and who knows, maybe the vaccine will come to the rescue.

Some complain that many of those listed as having died from Covid19 were not confirmed to have died from it or to have died solely from it. However that is far more true of the Spanish Flu, we didn't confirm 90% of the deaths attributed to it. In short they come up with this number based on showing how many more died than you would have expected based on statistical analysis. Using the same method that we use to estimate the deaths from the Spanish Flu our number for Covid19 would be closer to 300,000 right now.
The problem with this is that they are counting every death they can as a covid death, even if they had so much as a sniffle [Don't get me started on the crappy tests and their outrageous false positive percentage]. Without testing or anything (due to hospital admin instructions most likely).
  • Died in car accident and had a sniffle according to family: coding will add covid and count it as a covid death.
  • Died from a heart attack because your fat, but had a sniffle: coding will add covid and count it as a covid death.
It goes on and on for the death count. That's why normal flu deaths are statistically way, way down in 2020: they were all getting coded as covid deaths.

Why? Because the government was handing out funds for hospitals to handle the covid situation, so hospital admin wanted to get in on some of that money. Thus they lied about how many real covid cases and deaths were out there to get more money. This is nothing new if you've been around the reimbursement cycle of the medical industry.
 
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Agreed. They made it sound so bad you go outside and you are going to drop dead but that is not the case. They completely lied and still are.

So you can probably link any serious news source that actually said anything like that ?
 
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That's why normal flu deaths are statistically way, way down in 2020: they were all getting coded as covid deaths.

Not like all the precautions taken against Covid19 could have anything to do with this ?

Like maybe few more people than usual washed their hands or something ?
 
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Why? Because the government was handing out funds for hospitals to handle the covid situation, so hospital admin wanted to get in on some of that money. Thus they lied about how many real covid cases and deaths were out there to get more money. This is nothing new if you've been around the reimbursement cycle of the medical industry.
Wow, someone should tell the NBA, think of all the money they lost because of this "hoax" and the NFL, and all these companies that have declared bankruptcy, and Brazil (those mass graves they dug, was that a hoax as well?) and Mexico (the lines to the crematorium, they claimed they were burning bodies non stop and still it took days before you could get your family member cremated). It's amazing to me that hospitals trying to get government handouts could pull the hood over everyone's eyes, and I mean everyone. Not just in the US, or Brazil, or Italy, or Mexico, or the UK, or Germany, or Israel, but everyone.
 
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Wow, someone should tell the NBA, think of all the money they lost because of this "hoax" and the NFL, and all these companies that have declared bankruptcy, and Brazil (those mass graves they dug, was that a hoax as well?) and Mexico (the lines to the crematorium, they claimed they were burning bodies non stop and still it took days before you could get your family member cremated). It's amazing to me that hospitals trying to get government handouts could pull the hood over everyone's eyes, and I mean everyone. Not just in the US, or Brazil, or Italy, or Mexico, or the UK, or Germany, or Israel, but everyone.
Quit deflecting. Those are facts. The hood is over the heads of folks like you who refuse to see this truth. Covid is a smokescreen for something more sinister
 
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Quit deflecting. Those are facts. The hood is over the heads of folks like you who refuse to see this truth. Covid is a smokescreen for something more sinister
Something more sinister, like everyone will be required to get the mark of the beast, a computer chip imbedded in you that can be read by RFID giving your metrics for your health? A vaccine that some claims makes them incapable of fellowship with God?

Is that the thing you are saying I refuse to see?

A one world order where you will not be able to buy or sell without this chip, the mark of the beast? Don't be obtuse, out with it, what is it that I refuse to see?
 
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Something more sinister, like everyone will be required to get the mark of the beast, a computer chip imbedded in you that can be read by RFID giving your metrics for your health? A vaccine that some claims makes them incapable of fellowship with God?

Is that the thing you are saying I refuse to see?

A one world order where you will not be able to buy or sell without this chip, the mark of the beast? Don't be obtuse, out with it, what is it that I refuse to see?
You refuse to see there is an incentive to admit and put Covid patients on ventilators from the government along with inflating numbers. You deflect by making remarks to cover for your naive ignorance
 
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You refuse to see there is an incentive to admit and put Covid patients on ventilators from the government along with inflating numbers. You deflect by making remarks to cover for your naive ignorance
No, I don't refuse to see that. I see that. What I think is absurd is to extrapolate a small incentive to hospitals in the US that only began well into the pandemic to the entire worldwide pandemic is illogical to the point of being comical. It takes great restraint to not mock this mercilessly.

What you refuse to see is that the measures by which we determine mortality with Covid19 are the same we use for any virus like the flu, and it is the same that we used for the Spanish flu. So complaining that this is not as deadly as them (the point of this thread) by saying they encourage death certificates to list Covid19 is extremely ignorant. Since this point has been repeated ad infinitum I am forced to conclude that you refuse to see how ignorant this argument is.
 
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Wow, someone should tell the NBA, think of all the money they lost because of this "hoax" and the NFL, and all these companies that have declared bankruptcy, and Brazil (those mass graves they dug, was that a hoax as well?) and Mexico (the lines to the crematorium, they claimed they were burning bodies non stop and still it took days before you could get your family member cremated). It's amazing to me that hospitals trying to get government handouts could pull the hood over everyone's eyes, and I mean everyone. Not just in the US, or Brazil, or Italy, or Mexico, or the UK, or Germany, or Israel, but everyone.
Fun. Here's some of the evidence:

The CDC Confesses to Lying About COVID-19 Death Numbers

Montana physician Dr. Annie Bukacek discusses how COVID 19 death certificates are being manipulated

CDC is part of The Swamp. Most big medical orgs are (AMA, etc). These organizations are used to move large sums of otherwise suspicious money into the hands to fellow swamp members.
 
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Fun. Here's some of the evidence:

The CDC Confesses to Lying About COVID-19 Death Numbers

Montana physician Dr. Annie Bukacek discusses how COVID 19 death certificates are being manipulated

CDC is part of The Swamp. Most big medical orgs are (AMA, etc). These organizations are used to move large sums of otherwise suspicious money into the hands to fellow swamp members.
Is there a point to this? Do you want to eliminate social distancing? Reopen restaurants? Send all small kids to a Covid party? What is it that we are currently doing that has you so upset?
 
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So the President today said that this virus is not as deadly as the Flu. Just a great example of how you can get statistics to say whatever you want.

So how can the worst year in recent memory for deaths from the Flu result in 60,000+ deaths from the Flu, while Covid 19 will probably kill at least 4 times as many this year and yet statistically it is less deadly?

1. Our testing for Covid19 is much, much greater than we have ever tested for the Flu. Often you don't get tested for the Flu unless you go to the hospital. If we only tested those who went to the hospital with Covid the mortality rate would be much, much greater.

2. We have become much better at treating people who have Covid19 in the last six months.

A more balanced look at Covid19 is not to compare it to the Flu, that is an apples or oranges comparison because we never test this many people for the Flu and we never instituted social distancing and a shutdown of business and school with the Flu. Instead we have learned a lot about these viruses, a great many people will have mild to no symptoms and yet they were exposed. This is probably true of the flu just as much as Covid19 and could explain why it usually hits in the winter when people are indoors.

He is correct when he tells people not to "worry" about it. We may be closer to 99.9% of people who become exposed survive it. This is largely a result of social distancing, shutdowns, and masks. That said there are a lot of very horrible effects that hit small but significant numbers of those that do survive. Some have brain damage, some have holes in their hearts, some have organ damage. But even if you add all the bad cases including those who simply were hospitalized for a few weeks, it would still be down to about 3% now.

So what I would say is if you take all the proper precautions with social distancing and masks, and if you take good care of your health (eating well, sleeping well, and getting regular exercise) and if you don't have preexisting conditions that raise your risks, then you really don't need to be that worried about it.
 
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So the up and coming vaccine is stated to be 95% effective and completed in a record time.

Amazing and of course it would be, so the lie of science, will be more brain washed into people.

90%+ of science must be from satan, the question is how big of a role will science be in the future. In his assault on the people of God's earth.
 
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