What Christians think about Trump?

Bible Highlighter said:

I do not have such a luxury. He is my president or leader (Whether I like that or not).

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good on you!

miamited said:

Hi charlie,

Ok, well then I'm good. I have looked in my own closet and there are some pretty nasty things in there. So, now it's ok for me to point fingers, as you colloquially put it. There are actually, in my closet, most of the same sins that Mr. Trump has. I wouldn't vote for myself as president, either.

God bless,
Ted

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well said!

Bond-servant of Christ said:

good on you!

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My encouragement to you, that while you do have a liberty to speak of our leader in any way you please (Whereas I cannot do so because he is my leader), please make sure you consider in praying for our leader to change his heart, and to love him in some way. To do so is to obey the words of Jesus in Matthew 5:44.

Bible Highlighter said:

My encouragement to you, that while you do have a liberty to speak of our leader in any way you please (Whereas I cannot do so because he is my leader), please make sure you consider in praying for our leader to change his heart, and to love him in some way. To do so is to obey the words of Jesus in Matthew 5:44.

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I am reminded of George Wallace and his repentance.

Hi biblehilighter,

Request for guidance. You wrote:

Bible Highlighter said:

We are told to honor the king

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I actually did a bible search for that phrase and was unable to find it. Can you provide me the address? I did find some places where the word 'honor' was used in dialogue of people speaking about a king, but no command from God to 'honor the king'.

God bless,
Ted

Bond-servant of Christ said:

how can I? All that I have said is common knowledge to all people who can read and hear. What I have been saying that that Christians should not throw their "support" for anyone, just because the feel that they must vote. Nor should any support be blind, but based on what the person says and holds to, and then against the Holy Bible as The Final Authority.

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I liked what you've said but here's something you might consider....as a Christian. Don't necessarily base things on what you're reading and hearing. You spoke of common knowledge. Yup...common knowledge can be full of corruption. Not always but can be. Scripture warns,
But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.2 Tim 3:13
One thing that can transcend all that however is spiritual revelation. In other words seek God and ask him if he wants you to vote and for whom. Sometimes the answer might surprise one for to one's natural mind it might not make sense. It didn't make sense when God told Naaman to dip in the Jordan River....he said there was a lot better rivers to dip in besides that but God said NOPE this one! 2 Kings 5.

miamited said:

Hi biblehilighter,

Request for guidance. You wrote:


I actually did a bible search for that phrase and was unable to find it. Can you provide me the address? I did find some places where the word 'honor' was used in dialogue of people speaking about a king, but no command from God to 'honor the king'.

God bless,
Ted

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"Treat everyone with high regard: Love the brotherhood of believers, fear God, honor the king" 1 Peter 2:17

Bobber said:

I liked what you've said but here's something you might consider....as a Christian. Don't necessarily base things on what you're reading and hearing. You spoke of common knowledge. Yup...common knowledge can be full of corruption. Not always but can be. Scripture warns,
But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.2 Tim 3:13
One thing that can transcend all that however is spiritual revelation. In other words seek God and ask him if he wants you to vote and for whom. Sometimes the answer might surprise one for to one's natural mind it might not make sense. It didn't make sense when God told Naaman to dip in the Jordan River....he said there was a lot better rivers to dip in besides that but God said NOPE this one! 2 Kings 5.

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thanks, sound advice

Hi bobber,

Just checking, but is this the new euphemism for lying?:

Bobber said:

You mean that he's been less than sincere at times Ted?

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Do you see how you do that? Probably not, but let me just take a moment to point it out for others. Mr. Trump lies. He says things that he knows are not true. He has been told that there is no evidence that wind turbines cause cancer, but he has repeated that claim a couple of times. He even once quipped to his personal butler that truth didn't matter.

Now, I look at that and say he's a liar. You, on the other hand, see that same attribute, but call it 'less than sincere'. Odd isn't it.

God bless,
Ted

miamited said:

Hi biblehilighter,

Request for guidance. You wrote:


I actually did a bible search for that phrase and was unable to find it. Can you provide me the address? I did find some places where the word 'honor' was used in dialogue of people speaking about a king, but no command from God to 'honor the king'.

God bless,
Ted

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Check out my post #31 in this thread.
I provided not just one verse, but two. Please make sure you check them both out.

Bond-servant of Christ said:

"Treat everyone with high regard: Love the brotherhood of believers, fear God, honor the king" 1 Peter 2:17

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Thanks. I see that my version uses 'emperor' in that verse which is likely why it didn't come up in my search. I'm glad that it does use emperor however, since it removes any ambiguity as to 'who' Peter would have been referring to. 'King' could mean Jesus, when referring to God. He was often referred to as 'king of the Jews'.

God bless,
Ted

Bible Highlighter said:

Check out my post #31 in this thread.
I provided not just one verse, but two. Please make sure you check them both out.

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Hi BH,

Thanks. As I explained above, I used the word 'king' as you did and my translation uses the word 'emperor' in the Peter reference.

God bless,
Ted

miamited said:

Thanks. I see that my version uses 'emperor' in that verse which is likely why it didn't come up in my search. I'm glad that it does use emperor however, since it removes any ambiguity as to 'who' Peter would have been referring to. 'King' could mean Jesus, when referring to God. He was often referred to as 'king of the Jews'.

God bless,
Ted

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The context is talking about honoring worldly kings by submitting to every ordinance, whether it be the king, or governors, etc.

13 “Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;
14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.
15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
16 As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.
17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.” (1 Peter 2:13-17).

In addition, Acts of the Apostles 23:5 also says,
“Then said Paul, I wist not, brethren, that he was the high priest: for it is written, Thou shalt not speak evil of the ruler of thy people.”

Jermayn said:

I don't know him personally so I can't comment on his character. I only know what the main stream media says about him and that's definitely not info we should judge anyone off of.

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Some of us have a mind of our own by which to discern the character of a person...again, "by their fruit you will know them". If one jettisons the pundits the very words and actions speak for themselves. His business history is well documented, his personal life is well documented, his attacks and vitriol are well documented, his blatant lies, falsehoods, and fabrications are well documented... why would one need the "opinions" of MSM to with reasoned minds discern the truth?

miamited said:

Do you see how you do that? Probably not, but let me just take a moment to point it out for others. Mr. Trump lies. He says things that he knows are not true.

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Thanks for pointing this out. But I have one other possibility. And that is he may actually come to believe his own lies. An then his followers easily accept them as true.

ovis90 said:

I am just interested to see what Christians think about Trump? I see so many posts in Trump forums Trump walking along with Jesus in a way i see it as a cult although i do support him because he is against liberals. But do honestly most you believe he will save America and he is choosen one? He is really wealthy and was an actor in many films, commercials is he really for the good of all? I remember there was this video where Trump said if he ever goes to become a president he will go through the republican party because they are so dumb.. So where is the truth is he really choosen one? or he is just with Illuminati and pretend to be with the people. My self i am still trying to figure out.

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I think that he's a man like any other; imperfect and flawed.

I also think that he's exactly what America needs right now and that God put him in power for a reason.

Akita Suggagaki said:

Thanks for pointing this out. But I have one other possibility. And that is he may actually come to believe his own lies. An then his followers easily accept them as true.

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Hi AS,

Well, there have actually been pundits and some doctors of psychiatry that agree that such a thing is possible. That Trump is somehow wired differently in his ability to know and weigh his words against the truth of reality.

However, my post, as I'm sure you recognized, was really about how one might refer to someone not telling the truth as saying that their statements are 'less than sincere'. Which caused my mind to question what one means by using the word 'sincere'.

Here's the dictionary definition of the word: free from pretense or deceit; proceeding from genuine feelings. So, the position being promoted here is that Mr. Trump is being less than free from pretense or deceit. That his words are not proceeding from genuine feelings. He doesn't really believe of himself to be genuine in what he's speaking about.

I suppose that I'm good with that understanding also, but I still think that 'liar' is a better descriptor and doesn't allow for a lot of the ambiguity that 'less than sincere' might be defined by others. Especially when one juxtaposes 'less than sincere' against 'liar'. The intent being, while 'less than sincere really means closely the same thing, one can walk away and say to themselves, "Well, he's not a liar!" While the definition of 'less than sincere' really means about the same thing. Basically a synonym.

God bless,
Ted

I think that in Donald Trump, the United States of America finally has the president the American democracy deserves. I believe that the 63 million Americans who voted for Trump in 2016 deserve four more years of Trump, Trump certainly deserves four more years in the White House and I'm almost hoping Trump does a Putin and orders the constitution to be changed so that he can extend his term to 2036 to make USA truly great like Russia. Donald Trump is the perfect president for his country. Donald Trump embodies everything that the United States of America stands for.

Kalevalatar said:

I think that in Donald Trump, the United States of America finally has the president the American democracy deserves. I believe that the 63 million Americans who voted for Trump in 2016 deserve four more years of Trump, Trump certainly deserves four more years in the White House and I'm almost hoping Trump does a Putin and orders the constitution to be changed so that he can extend his term to 2036 to make USA truly great like Russia. Donald Trump is the perfect president for his country. Donald Trump embodies everything that the United States of America stands for.

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Hi kalevalatar,

Just curious. Do I detect a bit of sarcasm in that response. You being in Finland and having had to deal in the past with Russia, do you really want another nation like Russia? "...to make USA truly great like Russia'?

God bless,
Ted

Akita Suggagaki said:

Thanks for pointing this out. But I have one other possibility. And that is he may actually come to believe his own lies. An then his followers easily accept them as true.

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"His followers"? I have voted for several people who were elected president, never once considered myself "their follower". Since when do we refer to those who vote for one candidate or the other as "their follower"?