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Well that's the rub, as you said you like oceans and beaches, and God said there will be no more of those, unless that language is figurative, it would mean we don't get everything we want.
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Also if ?God loves us he will make it so we are doing something we enjoy. God loves when we happy.I THINK it was St Augustine who said how we most please God when we enjoy ourselves in ?Him.

If you consider that we are in Christ, He must take constant pleasure in us just doing everyday life
 
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^^This^^ Come on folks. Its one thing to not initially know the right answer but once you’ve heard it a light should go on. :idea:
True, but just because a light goes on doesn't make the reason the light came on truth. However, what Yeshua HaDerekh posted is correct, and hermeneutically useful. But it negates nothing concerning the truth of some of the other posts. I.e. it is not the end of thinking on the matter.
 
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Well that's the rub, as you said you like oceans and beaches, and God said there will be no more of those, unless that language is figurative, it would mean we don't get everything we want.
I doubt very much we will want anything we don't get. As for Rev 21:1 it doesn't say there will be no more, but that there was none at that point in time. If it says the heavens will be rolled up like a scroll, does that mean there will never again be a universe for us to explore and play in?
 
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I doubt very much we will want anything we don't get. As for Rev 21:1 it doesn't say there will be no more, but that there was none at that point in time. If it says the heavens will be rolled up like a scroll, does that mean there will never again be a universe for us to explore and play in?


True! I also think it pleases God to give us things to enjoy. We are to interpret God as interacting with us like a living father with His beloved children. Can you imagine any father wanting a joyless life for His loved ones??? God gave us with different interests, abilities, hobbies, talents etc he made us that way in purpose. So he isn't going to put us in a one size fits all kind of heaven. I believe he will appeal to our individuality because God created us that way
 
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There is time spent in heaven .... UNTIL ... God makes a new heaven and earth and He will established His kingdom on it .... and will dwell with all of us for eternity.

It's back to Eden my friend like before the fall of mankind ... He created everything perfect and it will be restored to perfection.
But better. Or there was no point in 'allowing' sin. Regeneration and redemption picks us up, and resurrection and glorification makes us even higher than the angels. Adam and Eve were perfect, but innocent and ignorant. Now they (we) also know some of what God knows --good and evil-- and will be not only made in his image, but one with him.
 
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But better. Or there was no point in 'allowing' sin. Regeneration and redemption picks us up, and resurrection and glorification makes us even higher than the angels. Adam and Eve were perfect, but innocent and ignorant. Now they (we) also know some of what God knows --good and evil-- and will be not only made in his image, but one with him.


what a beautiful thought
 
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True, but just because a light goes on doesn't make the reason the light came on truth. However, what Yeshua HaDerekh posted is correct, and hermeneutically useful. But it negates nothing concerning the truth of some of the other posts. I.e. it is not the end of thinking on the matter.
Oh no, I didn’t say posters couldn’t explore the subject but when I replied to the #2 post of this thread at post #51 there were no confirmations of it by either a subsequent post or affirmation with any ‘likes’ or the such and because of ‘that’ it was worth pointing out and hopefully inspires others to look into why its such a comprehensive answer.
 
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I believe we will be able to understand and appreciate each other in a way we cant possibly imagine in heaven. That's what I think the city being made of gold indicates. Gold is a great transistor
 
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True! I also think it pleases God to give us things to enjoy. We are to interpret God as interacting with us like a living father with His beloved children. Can you imagine any father wanting a joyless life for His loved ones??? God gave us with different interests, abilities, hobbies, talents etc he made us that way in purpose. So he isn't going to put us in a one size fits all kind of heaven. I believe he will appeal to our individuality because God created us that way
That also fits with the picture he gives us of the different members of the Body of Christ, the Bride. THIS being that we will be is the reason for Creation--to his own glory.

As I tell folks, he did not choose from a pool of possibles to make into the members of different parts --he made some specifically for the purposes to which he has planned, and he WILL accomplish precisely what he set out to do.

I used to build custom cabinets, and would make the pieces of wood I chose to fit each other by shape and by grain, for the most beautiful effect I could do. But if I also had the ability to grow the trees exactly as I wished, and to harvest them and shape and fit them without mistakes, and the knowledge and memory and artistic ability to make everything perfect, I would not only be able to make the best and most beautiful cabinets in the world, but each piece I grew would be for its own specific place, and there would be no substitutes. Gnarly, twisted, knotted though they be, it would be a perfect set of cabinets. I don't think God any less made us to be the members of the place he will inhabit. He did not choose us from out of a pool of possibles, but made us each according to his good pleasure.

Yet even though he delights in each particular part of the Bride of Christ (there is even a name for each of us that only he and that person knows), we are all members of each other.
 
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I doubt very much we will want anything we don't get. As for Rev 21:1 it doesn't say there will be no more, but that there was none at that point in time. If it says the heavens will be rolled up like a scroll, does that mean there will never again be a universe for us to explore and play in?
I think that that's one of the most unsatisfying ways for God to satisfy desires is to simply take those desires away from us, like marriage, children, just make the person forget they ever wanted them.

But again, we're way off point which is.. Jesus said there are many dwelling places and Revelation describes a city, a city has buildings, and I wonder, what is the point of these buildings and shelter that as far as I know, we won't have any need for.
 
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I think that that's one of the most unsatisfying ways for God to satisfy desires is to simply take those desires away from us, like marriage, children, just make the person forget they ever wanted them.

But again, we're way off point which is.. Jesus said there are many dwelling places and Revelation describes a city, a city has buildings, and I wonder, what is the point of these buildings and shelter that as far as I know, we won't have any need for.

For what it is worth, I didn't mean to imply that he will take those desires away (not that you said I did, haha, but just in case...). I doubt very much he will do that, but will purify those temporal desires and understandings, so that we will desire, passionately so, the REAL thing that each of those temporal things was only a poor representation of.
 
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I think that that's one of the most unsatisfying ways for God to satisfy desires is to simply take those desires away from us, like marriage, children, just make the person forget they ever wanted them.

But again, we're way off point which is.. Jesus said there are many dwelling places and Revelation describes a city, a city has buildings, and I wonder, what is the point of these buildings and shelter that as far as I know, we won't have any need for.
As for your question about shelter etc, I think it has already been answered in some of these posts --each individual member of the Bride of Christ has their own place. They will live forever, there are no substitutes, no replacements. The construction is of God's dwelling place, and of our own.
 
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For what it is worth, I didn't mean to imply that he will take those desires away (not that you said I did, haha, but just in case...). I doubt very much he will do that, but will purify those temporal desires and understandings, so that we will desire, passionately so, the REAL thing that each of those temporal things was only a poor representation of.
It's a common way that Christians deal with hard to swallow verses like Matthew 22:30. To say that 'well you just won't want those things anymore"
 
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As for your question about shelter etc, I think it has already been answered in some of these posts --each individual member of the Bride of Christ has their own place. They will live forever, there are no substitutes, no replacements. The construction is of God's dwelling place, and of our own.
So we'd just have a dwelling place... just to have? Maybe we sleep even though we don't need to just because sleeping can be pleasant? Maybe we would need a place for food preparation and dining despite having abundant fruit from the tree of life (one thing I've always hoped is that even though there is no death, that.. somehow we can still eat meat. I'm more of a savory person than sweet person.. I'd be okay with bacon trees.), just because cooking and eating can be pleasant?
 
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It's a common way that Christians deal with hard to swallow verses like Matthew 22:30. To say that 'well you just won't want those things anymore"
I hear ya. To me, the whole matter of such absolute freewill as some espouse is an example of that same sort of thing, from needing to explain that God is in control, yet we are responsible for our own sins. It's a shortcut, an excuse, for lack of understanding the God we have, I think.

As for Matthew 22:30, I like to think he was giving an explanation they could understand. We will be as the angels are, (and he tells them in what relevant way we will be like the angels), but he did not bother to go on to explain the joys of temporal things will be made pure and expanded in the REAL things in heaven they are only a picture of. There WILL be one marriage in heaven, and male and female are not involved, though I am sure that masculine and feminine will be. There will even be a marriage supper and a Bride, and friends that love the Bride and Groom.
 
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So we'd just have a dwelling place... just to have? Maybe we sleep even though we don't need to just because sleeping can be pleasant? Maybe we would need a place for food preparation and dining despite having abundant fruit from the tree of life (one thing I've always hoped is that even though there is no death, that.. somehow we can still eat meat. I'm more of a savory person than sweet person.. I'd be okay with bacon trees.), just because cooking and eating can be pleasant?
I tend to think all those things, and any else, that we now enjoy, we have temporally, but in Heaven we will have in full measure the Real thing. With the matter of food, we have Christ himself as our sustenance. That does not mean that we will (or won't) lack for a bacon flavor, but maybe rather that we will know what eating really is, and what satisfaction really is.
 
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So we'd just have a dwelling place... just to have? Maybe we sleep even though we don't need to just because sleeping can be pleasant? Maybe we would need a place for food preparation and dining despite having abundant fruit from the tree of life (one thing I've always hoped is that even though there is no death, that.. somehow we can still eat meat. I'm more of a savory person than sweet person.. I'd be okay with bacon trees.), just because cooking and eating can be pleasant?
I can't speak for you, but to me the notion that even now, Christ is in me, is both joy and desire --desire because I want to KNOW it, to see it, to be ONE with him as he is with the Father. To be the dwelling place of God himself is an overwhelming thought. I don't see that as possibly becoming old. Nor do I see all the many other possible things we will experience and do in heaven --even to such things as exploring the universe or the limitless glory of God-- we are not restrained by walls nor by anything else there.
 
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I tend to think all those things, and any else, that we now enjoy, we have temporally, but in Heaven we will have in full measure the Real thing. With the matter of food, we have Christ himself as our sustenance. That does not mean that we will (or won't) lack for a bacon flavor, but maybe rather that we will know what eating really is, and what satisfaction really is.

Sometimes that is a confusing part of theology too. That Christ is everything for us, and while it's very easy to see how God can PROVIDE those things for us, it is less easy to see how He can BE those things for us. We're not going to be eating Jesus, and though we're called the bride of Christ we're not going to be cuddling up to Him like a spouse or having sex with Him... and so it comes to how does something like that manifest.. and it comes to a point in theology that I call the "eternal staring contest with Jesus" Christians.. the people who just think that just staring at Jesus fulfills all desires.

Which is definitely not what I see. God has at least this far, been a provider. Adam needed food, God provided trees and fruit, Adam was lonely, God provided Eve. Adam walked with God, Adam still had needs and God met them through creating things to meet those needs, providence, rather than simply being those needs in Himself. In Revelation 21 and 22, we still see that God provides rather than simply is, there's still the illustration of actual physical trees that grow fruit to eat, and a physical city to live in, and water to drink. It comes from God, God is the creator and provider of it all but it is still manifested as physical things provided by God, rather than just "You're thirsty? Stare at me and you will be quenched". Instead we get "I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely."
 
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I think that that's one of the most unsatisfying ways for God to satisfy desires is to simply take those desires away from us, like marriage, children, just make the person forget they ever wanted them.

But again, we're way off point which is.. Jesus said there are many dwelling places and Revelation describes a city, a city has buildings, and I wonder, what is the point of these buildings and shelter that as far as I know, we won't have any need for.
1 Corinthians 2:9 ESV But as it is written, “What no eye has seen, no ear has ears, no heart has imagined, what God has prepared for those who love Him.”

I can’t answer your exact question on the need or usefulness of structures in heaven. But why not? It’s God’s domain and He is great. It is super fun to think about.
 
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