Many Mansions

Junia · Oct 4, 2020

Jamdoc said:
There won't be anyone having children though, not after the resurrection

Yes I don't think there will be sex in heaven or marriage because we will also be married to Jesus. Gender roles will be no more as those exist I my for purpose of marriage

Junia · Oct 4, 2020

Mark Quayle said:
Over the years of trying to figure things out, I have come to a few strong conclusions, among which is that the things of this earth are pictures or figures of the things to come. I honestly don't believe there is anything here, but sin and its results, that won't be shown to be vapors compared to the real thing in the next life. One example would be to say that God is not like the fathers on earth, but that the fathers on earth are like God --however poorly they may be so. Another such example is to say that God is not male, like human or animals can be males; rather, he is masculine --super-masculine, actually-- and what is masculine on earth is weakly so by comparison, males being only one example of masculinity.

Many insist that good hermeneutics show that the word "as", in "as a bride" (Rev 21:2) proves the New Jerusalem is not the Bride herself but is only AS a bride in some way, though I have yet to hear some way that would happen. Anyhow, I believe the New Jerusalem, the place Christ went to heaven to prepare for us IS THE ELECT. (I can't prove it, of course, but there are just too many pictures given, too many indicators, and by thinking this is so there are too many things in scripture that finally line up for me, for me to think otherwise. And I admit, I could be wrong.)

My sister says she has no interest in a city, no matter how glorious and beyond imagination, though she admits God can change her mind agout it if he wishes to. I myself, and many other believers I know, hate crowds and some even don't like people, specially unfamiliar people. But THIS --a place for God to be with us, and for us to finally be with him and see him as he is-- the places where each individual has his own name, but everything (everyone) is part of everything (everyone) else, the Bride of Christ, bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh, has the REAL things that we thought we saw on earth --dwelling places, pearls for gates, transparent gold for streets, living water, and so on.

Haha, the biggest reason I can find for not believing I have this right is that I can sort of imagine it, but God says it is beyond imagination.

I remember being upset reading about how there will be no sea on the new earth because I love the beach. But some say "sea" means the unsaved world, so maybe there will be beaches! If not, am sure I will still be happy because there is no sadness in Heaven and no eye has seen what God has prepared for those who love Him

Jamdoc · Oct 4, 2020

GirdYourLoins said:
Forget the mansions. You will be able to worship God in the throne room.

actually for me, that image is what drives my most pessimistic thoughts about eternity that I have, that all we'll do is fall on our faces in front of the throne and sing. If that's all we do that's just another version of hell for me. I get bored of doing things that I like in short amounts of time, and I hate singing, so how fast will I get bored of doing something I hate doing and only do because I'm commanded to?

Llleopard · Oct 4, 2020

Mark Quayle said:
Over the years of trying to figure things out, I have come to a few strong conclusions, among which is that the things of this earth are pictures or figures of the things to come. I honestly don't believe there is anything here, but sin and its results, that won't be shown to be vapors compared to the real thing in the next life. One example would be to say that God is not like the fathers on earth, but that the fathers on earth are like God --however poorly they may be so. Another such example is to say that God is not male, like human or animals can be males; rather, he is masculine --super-masculine, actually-- and what is masculine on earth is weakly so by comparison, males being only one example of masculinity.

Many insist that good hermeneutics show that the word "as", in "as a bride" (Rev 21:2) proves the New Jerusalem is not the Bride herself but is only AS a bride in some way, though I have yet to hear some way that would happen. Anyhow, I believe the New Jerusalem, the place Christ went to heaven to prepare for us IS THE ELECT. (I can't prove it, of course, but there are just too many pictures given, too many indicators, and by thinking this is so there are too many things in scripture that finally line up for me, for me to think otherwise. And I admit, I could be wrong.)

My sister says she has no interest in a city, no matter how glorious and beyond imagination, though she admits God can change her mind agout it if he wishes to. I myself, and many other believers I know, hate crowds and some even don't like people, specially unfamiliar people. But THIS --a place for God to be with us, and for us to finally be with him and see him as he is-- the places where each individual has his own name, but everything (everyone) is part of everything (everyone) else, the Bride of Christ, bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh, has the REAL things that we thought we saw on earth --dwelling places, pearls for gates, transparent gold for streets, living water, and so on.

Haha, the biggest reason I can find for not believing I have this right is that I can sort of imagine it, but God says it is beyond imagination.

Yes. The tabernacle is the easiest figure with which to understand the new heaven. Outer court, inner court, holy of holies. Israel, Jerusalem, Zion. Birthright, blessing, inheritance.walk, run, overcome.
We are constantly shown 3companies of Christians. Those in the 'holy of holies' are those who will become part of the Groom. The 'inner court' are the bride of Christ. The 'outer court' are those saved-justified but have never moved past into sanctification and glorification at the end.
I have no interest in a natural city either. I want to be part of Zion, a people who praise Him.

Mark Quayle · Oct 4, 2020

Llleopard said:
In Revelation 1v 10, John says he was in the spirit. This indicates that we need to take what he goes on to say, spiritually, not just naturally. Throughout the Bible 'sea' is always is a spiritual symbol for the unsaved. And the mansions need to be taken spiritually too. If you look back through the Bible at all the architectural metaphors it is clear what the mansions represent spiritually and where they will be.

Remember that this life is nowhere near as REAL as the next, but like a vapor in comparison. True the next is not to be compared to this one, but the things we consider metaphors and figures may well be [spiritually] real.

Mark Quayle · Oct 4, 2020

Jamdoc said:
actually for me, that image is what drives my most pessimistic thoughts about eternity that I have, that all we'll do is fall on our faces in front of the throne and sing. If that's all we do that's just another version of hell for me. I get bored of doing things that I like in short amounts of time, and I hate singing, so how fast will I get bored of doing something I hate doing and only do because I'm commanded to?

Worship there will not be like here. What's here is a poor example, limited by form and content and contributor.

Llleopard · Oct 4, 2020

Mark Quayle said:
Worship there will not be like here. What's here is a poor example, limited by form and content and contributor.

Agreed. It's like, if you married now, if every day was then exactly the same forever you'd explode with boredom. But it's actually only the beginning of a wonderful adventure (christ & the church is a good marriage not a rubbish one so let's think of good marriage examples here!) We don't know what it's going to be like exactly, but it's going to be FANTASTIC.

Jamdoc · Oct 4, 2020

Mark Quayle said:
Worship there will not be like here. What's here is a poor example, limited by form and content and contributor.

if it's doing the same thing over and over forever, it'd still be boring. The children of Israel were fed manna from heaven, and what happened? They got bored of eating the same thing every day and complained.

But anyway, that's a tangent. This thread is less about what we'll do in heaven, and whether or not these mansions are real literal things and more about, what will be the purpose of them.

Mark Quayle · Oct 4, 2020

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:
I think we will be happy there anyway. I am not keen on crowds or endless socialising either but I am sure there will be plenty of space.for us to.spread out and do what we enjoy.doing. We will be with God so I see.life as being a bit like the best bits in earth. No sin or pain though. Just endless joy and worship and love for ?God and each other

And enjoyment of each other, which is one thing I am really looking forward to. The finally seeing each other as the complete being God had in mind when he made us --not quite the person we knew on earth and considered someone in and of themselves but the son of God finally revealed.

Mark Quayle · Oct 4, 2020

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:
I remember being upset reading about how there will be no sea on the new earth because I love the beach. But some say "sea" means the unsaved world, so maybe there will be beaches! If not, am sure I will still be happy because there is no sadness in Heaven and no eye has seen what God has prepared for those who love Him

Agreed, we don't know, but I have come to think the figurative things we consider real here, will be replace with the REAL thing there. No effort of God's in creating will be mere 'filler', but it is all used, nothing wasted.

Tigger45 · Oct 4, 2020

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
It is an allusion to the Jewish wedding...the groom goes and prepares a place in his father's house and then when the father says it is ready, the groom goes and brings the bride.

^^This^^ Come on folks. Its one thing to not initially know the right answer but once you’ve heard it a light should go on. :idea:

CanoeSister · Oct 4, 2020

As a disclaimer - I don't have a dogmatic view about the New Heavens and the New Earth. For me, it's all conjecture, but it's fun to think about, to imagine it, and to ponder it.

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:
That [The New Jerusalem] actually sounds quite small considering there will be so many of us there

Yes I agree with this. I absolutely do not imagine that we will all be living in New Jerusalem. I don't even know if anyone will be living in there, but rather we may all be going in and out of that great city, worshipping our God and King, meeting up for feasts, and all sorts of other public activities. In the Old Testament, everyone from all Israel would go up to Jerusalem for each of the sacred Feasts throughout the year.

Now, one interesting thing about the English word "mansion" is that it does not always refer solely to earthly houses. It also refers to the places that moon traverses, as it travels around the globe each month. There are the "28 mansions of the moon," and every day it is in a new one, and then it gets back to the first one.

So if this adds any insight into the mansions that God is building for us, then we might consider these angles:

The travel of the moon between 28 different mansions: He may make many mansions for us, so that we can travel from place to place and have a nice place to sit and rest, and chat with others, and sing to God, at each location. The OP made some great points about what will not be needed (sleep, etc) but having a place can be handy for: Cooking, eating, entertaining, praising God together (like at a church location today), decorating, and resting one's feet or wings after journeying all day - even just for a change of pace rather than out of true weariness.

The current moon is in the heavens: The word "heaven" means any and all of these - The sky (birds of the heavens), space (God created the heavenly luminaries), and God's home (called "heaven of heavens"). So, a "new heavens" along with the "new earth" means new planets in our new solar system, with new constellations to look at, in addition to a new sky and a new home for God. Maybe among the new mansions that Christ is preparing, in the next life we will be able to easily visit neighboring planets. Just a thought.

eleos1954 · Oct 4, 2020

Jamdoc said:
John 14:2

Now I realize in other translations they translate it as "many rooms" or "many abodes" but typically when people think of heaven the "many mansions" illustration gets used, and it is even used as "something to look forward to" in heaven/new earth. But to me, it has never really mattered, desiring material wealth was something I grew out of a long time ago. But I've been thinking about it, and I realize, I don't even know if there's really a point to a "mansion" in heaven. We won't need sleep, so who needs a bedroom, as far as we know we're going to be eating fruit off the tree of life, so won't really need a kitchen... everyone's going to be single and not have any children, so you wouldn't need any extra rooms for extra people.. just a bunch of bachelor pads... if you'd even need one of those for any purpose as you wouldn't need shelter from the elements.. so what would be the point? Even in Isaiah there's imagery of people building houses... for what?

There is time spent in heaven .... UNTIL ... God makes a new heaven and earth and He will established His kingdom on it .... and will dwell with all of us for eternity.

It's back to Eden my friend like before the fall of mankind ... He created everything perfect and it will be restored to perfection.

Der Alte · Oct 4, 2020

The word translated "mansions" is μονή/moné. It means a staying, abiding, dwelling, abode. It occurs only one other time in the NT.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode [μονή] with him.

Junia · Oct 4, 2020

Jamdoc said:
actually for me, that image is what drives my most pessimistic thoughts about eternity that I have, that all we'll do is fall on our faces in front of the throne and sing. If that's all we do that's just another version of hell for me. I get bored of doing things that I like in short amounts of time, and I hate singing, so how fast will I get bored of doing something I hate doing and only do because I'm commanded to?

I love singing but the idea of only ever doing praise music all day and nothing else also freaks me out a bit.

But there wi l be no sorrow in heaven so no boredom. In God's presence is fullness of joy.

also worship isn't limited to worship songs. Being with God loving Him is worship. It talks about a wedding feast in the Bible. SO.we will be partying as well

Junia · Oct 4, 2020

eleos1954 said:
There is time spent in heaven .... UNTIL ... God makes a new heaven and earth and He will established His kingdom on it .... and will dwell with all of us for eternity.

It's back to Eden my friend like before the fall of mankind ... He created everything perfect and it will be restored to perfection.

I hope.there will be guinea pigs there. I guess there will be!

Der Alte · Oct 4, 2020

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:
I hope.there will be guinea pigs there. I guess there will be!

I don't know if this is true or not. I read somewhere that a small child asked his father if he would have his dog in heaven. The father said he did not know but he would take his child to his pastor. The pastor said "If God thinks you need your dog in heaven he will be there."

Mark Quayle · Oct 4, 2020

Jamdoc said:
if it's doing the same thing over and over forever, it'd still be boring. The children of Israel were fed manna from heaven, and what happened? They got bored of eating the same thing every day and complained.

But anyway, that's a tangent. This thread is less about what we'll do in heaven, and whether or not these mansions are real literal things and more about, what will be the purpose of them.

True. Haha. I get started making a point and have to make a side point first, then forget to bring it to the main point.

Among the many conclusions I have come to, and there's no time to show why, I am sure that Christ who is our rest is so ironically because he is also our busy-ness. I am convinced that in the life to come we would in no time wear ourselves out if Christ himself were not our sustenance. Nobody will be bored, nobody will be sorry they are there, and nobody will wish for something different or better.

God has always been the only source of new-ness. And he will be no less so for eternity. We will not be praising him because he is great, but because we will SEE how he is great, and thus compelled to praise him according to his deeds and very relevant worthiness. We will be eternally learning about him, as there is no end to what he is. And for once we will be worthy beings saying things. OUR words will finally mean something

Jamdoc · Oct 4, 2020

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:
I hope.there will be guinea pigs there. I guess there will be!

Well that's the rub, as you said you like oceans and beaches, and God said there will be no more of those, unless that language is figurative, it would mean we don't get everything we want.

Junia · Oct 4, 2020

Jamdoc said:
Well that's the rub, as you said you like oceans and beaches, and God said there will be no more of those, unless that language is figurative, it would mean we don't get everything we want.

maybe not but we will be happy anyway so we won't mind. Disappointment won't exist in heaven because there is no sorrow

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