The Trinity - Live Q&A - 40b

Jesus is YHWH said:

how do the two become one flesh ?

how is Jesus both God and man having the nature of God and the nature of man, 2 natures ?

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This is a key question, and one that we should all be asking ourselves if we want to understand Jesus at all.

I believe it makes sense to see Jesus as a human being, not unlike any other, but one who had become one with God in the same way that we will become one with God in the new age. And I believe that the marriage of a man and woman serves as a symbol of what's to come, and specifically a symbol of the union that man will have with God.

Jesus is the first fruits because he was the first to experience that union and literally have God dwelling inside of him. This is why he spoke saying "I and the father are one" and even speaking as God himself saying "before Abraham was born, I am".

The first fruits refers to the first fruit of the harvest, and for God, we the people are his harvest. We are his inheritance and eventually we will all be harvest and be one with God, just as Jesus was.

Freedm said:

This is a key question, and one that we should all be asking ourselves if we want to understand Jesus at all.

I believe it makes sense to see Jesus as a human being, not unlike any other, but one who had become one with God in the same way that we will become one with God in the new age. And I believe that the marriage of a man and woman serves as a symbol of what's to come, and specifically a symbol of the union that man will have with God.

Jesus is the first fruits because he was the first to experience that union and literally have God dwelling inside of him. This is why he spoke saying "I and the father are one" and even speaking as God himself saying "before Abraham was born, I am".

The first fruits refers to the first fruit of the harvest, and for God, we the people are his harvest. We are his inheritance and eventually we will all be harvest and be one with God, just as Jesus was.

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So you do not believe Jesus is God is that correct ?

I believe Jesus is a god, but he is not God the Father.

Jesus is YHWH said:

Indeed the Trinity is One God, 3 Persons- the Biblical God, the True God !

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"One God, three persons" literally does not make sense in our world. Do you not think that God has created us in his image and given us all kinds of types in our world to help us understand His world? If so, then what in this world can we compare to His world to help us understand the concept of "One God, three persons"?

Freedm said:

"One God, three persons" literally does not make sense in our world. Do you not think that God has created us in his image and given us all kinds of types in our world to help us understand His world? If so, then what in this world can we compare to His world to help us understand the concept of "One God, three persons"?

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God is Unique- what can you compare Him to ?

NOTHING !

Freedm said:

"One God, three persons" literally does not make sense in our world. Do you not think that God has created us in his image and given us all kinds of types in our world to help us understand His world? If so, then what in this world can we compare to His world to help us understand the concept of "One God, three persons"?

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The problem is that even with examples the nature of God is spiritual and without the Holy Spirit it would be impossible for us to comprehend God's nature or anything spiritual for that matter.

But as an example, why dont we consider God to be an ocean and the father and son to be rivers flowing from the ocean. Its not perfect because oceans are not infinite like God and they flow into the ocean and not from it. But we cannot come up with an example of an infinite God because only God is infinite.

A. Christian said:

But as an example, why dont we consider God to be an ocean and the father and son to be rivers flowing from the ocean. Its not perfect because oceans are not infinite like God and they flow into the ocean and not from it. But we cannot come up with an example of an infinite God because only God is infinite.

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I don't actually hate that analogy, but it does still leave three separate entities who are related to each other, but are not each other. Trinitarian theology would require all three to "be" the ocean, turning three into one. How does three equal one?

Is math a human construct, or a foundation of all of creation? If math is a foundation, then it is of God, and if it is of God then his nature is reflected in it, yet math tells us that 1 + 1 + 1 = 3. Would God base his entire creation on something that literally contradicts his own nature? Or are we, as humans, simply trying too hard to explain something that is really quite simple?

Freedm said:

I believe Jesus is a god, but he is not God the Father.

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a god like the jehovah witnesses teach ?

And the Son is not the Father yet the Son shares all the same Divine Atributes of the Father and Holy Spirit

One God, 3 Persons- The Father, Son and Spirit all called God

All called God
The Father- Psalm 89:26, 1 Corinthians 8:6, Galatians 1:1, Colossians 1:3
The Son- 1 Timothy 1:16-17,John 20:28,Titus 2:13, 2 Peter 1:1, 1 John 5:20
The Holy Spirit- Acts 5:3-4, 28:25, cf Isaiah 6:8

All Creator
The Father- Isaiah 44:24, 1 Corinthians 8:6
The Son - Colossians 1:16; John 1:3
The Holy Spirit- Job 33:4, Psalm 104:30, Genesis 1:2

All Raised Jesus
The Father- 1 Thessalonians 1:9-10
The Son- John 2:19-21
The Holy Spirit- Romans 8:11

All Eternal
The Father- Psalm 93:2
The Son- Jesus Isaiah 9:6
The Holy Spirit- Hebrews 9:14

All Omniscient
The Father- Psalm 147:5
The Son -Jesus John 2:24-25
The Holy Spirit- Isaiah 40:13-14

All Omnipresent
The Father- Jeremiah 23:24
The Son -Jesus Matthew 18:20
The Holy Spirit- Psalm 139:7-10

All Omnipotent
The Father- Revelation 4:8
The Son- Matthew 28:18, Revelation 5:13
The Holy Spirit- Romans 15:19

hope this helps !!!

Freedm said:

I don't actually hate that analogy, but it does still leave three separate entities who are related to each other, but are not each other. Trinitarian theology would require all three to "be" the ocean, turning three into one. How does three equal one?

Is math a human construct, or a foundation of all of creation? If math is a foundation, then it is of God, and if it is of God then his nature is reflected in it, yet math tells us that 1 + 1 + 1 = 3. Would God base his entire creation on something that literally contradicts his own nature? Or are we, as humans, simply trying too hard to explain something that is really quite simple?

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Maybe it would help if I changed God from the ocean to the water in my analogy?