Is the Day of the Lord exactly 1000 years as Premils claim?

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I had trouble phrasing that correctly and I see now that my comment is very flawed. Regardless, there seems to be missing elements in Peters knowledge because he clearly understood that the times of restitution must occur before old earth is dissolved.

Peter in Acts 3,

19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.


I would say Peter believed the restitution of all things would occur at the Second Coming of Christ.


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I would say Peter believed the restitution of all things would occur at the Second Coming of Christ.


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And I would agree with that, however Peter doesn`t appear to know how long a period of time that would be or that the destruction of earth at the end of the Gentile age would be incomplete and his epistle predates Revelation and the info given by it.
 
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I have no idea what you mean apart from the fact that you seem to deny that Jesus will rule the earth.

He is ruling now. He is reigning in majesty and glory since His enthronement over upon high when He defeated sin, death, Hades and Satan. There He is reigning from true Jerusalem, not the other one that is in bondage and answer to Sodom and Egypt.

The book of Revelation is such an overcomers manual it shocks me how many ignore it. The doom and gloom merchants obviously do not get the message. Thankfully, the early church readers got a lot of comfort from it! Why they rocked the known world. I hope you too do in this house tonight!

As we have seen: repeated Scripture portrays a victorious Christ since His all-conquering resurrection.

Jesus said Revelation 3:21: “I … overcame.”

Revelation 5:5 tells us: “behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed.”

Christ announced to His disciples in Matthew 28:18, “All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.”

Last week we learnt that one of the main effects of Satan being evicted from heaven and being spiritual bound was that the nations would be enlightened. But another immediate effect was that dead believers were released from the captivity of Abraham’s bosom and ushered into the heavenly abode.

As He rose they rose. After all, He was defeating the grave on their behalf.

Ephesians 4:8-10: says, “When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things).”

Jesus said in Revelation 1:17-18, “I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell (hades) and of death.”

Since the resurrection, Christ reigns supreme over all His enemies from His throne in heaven. This rule happening only after Christ triumphed over His enemies at the cross and gloriously rose from the dead.

Colossians 2:9-10, 14-15 confirms: "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power … Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled (or divested or disarmed) principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.”

Christ is reigning over the demonic realm.

Tony Evans states: “On the cross, Jesus Christ deactivated, dismantled and disarmed Satan’s rule over sin and death (Colossians 2:13-15). God gave the ultimate authority to His Son. He has placed all things in subjection to Jesus.”

1 Peter 3:22 says, that Christ, “is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.”

Without a doubt, Christ is reigning over His enemies since the resurrection, waiting for their final predetermined put down. Those who question Christ’s current reign do great assault upon the truth of God’s Word and undermine the current sovereign kingly position that He now assuredly holds.

Ephesians 1:20-23 tells us that God hath raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: And 'hath put' (aorist active indicative) all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.”

Here is a very important passage that again confirms the absolute authority that Christ now enjoys and reveals the unlimited scope of His current rule. It explicitly illustrates the current sovereign reign of Christ over all His enemies from the “right hand” of majesty on high.

1 Corinthians 15:25-28, saying: he must reign (present, active infinitive), till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. For ‘he hath put’ (aorist active indicative) all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. And when all things shall be (hupotageé) subdued (or subordinated) unto him (speaking of the second coming), then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all (1 Corinthians 15:25-28).

He is risen and He is reigning! This is happening now! Check out the actual original text and check out the tense.

Hebrews 1:1-3, 2:6-9 says, “God … hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things … Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high … What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: Thou hast put all things in subjection (aorist active indicative) under his feet. For in that ‘he put all in subjection’ (aorist active indicative) under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him. But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour."
 
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Please cite scripture to go with these claims.

Are you serious? Or are you pulling my leg? This is 101 Christianity. Where do you want me to start?

At Calvary the guilt of our sins was transferred or imputed to Christ. Our penalty was laid upon Him. He was condemned on our behalf in order that we could be free.

Isaiah 53:3-7 says, “He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.”

Isaiah 53:9-12 says, And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.”

In Matthew 20:28 Jesus said, “the Son of Man … give his life a ransom for many.”

Romans 5:8 says “While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.”

The word “for” here is the Greek word huper (hooper) which means ‘in the place of’ and ‘for the benefit of’.

This is good news for the sinner and good news for the saved, there is a place of deliverance, a place of escape, a place of grace in Christ, through Christ and by Christ. There is a place where we can escape the bondage of sin and the penalty of sin and it is called Calvary.

Think about it, God has ordained a means of reconciling you to Him without infringing upon His justice. It is called the cross. It was there that Jesus voluntarily took upon Himself your guilt and shame and paid for it fully so that you could know freedom.

When Jesus instituted the Lord’s supper in Matthew 26:28, which represented His shed blood for the remission of our sins, He declared: "For this is my blood of the new testament [diathēkē], which is shed for many for the remission of sins."

The Greek word here "testament" is diathēkē meaning covenant or testament.

Hebrews 9:14-15 confirms this: “the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament [diathēkē], that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.”

The whole idea of God-ordained covenant is all about the substitutionary blood sacrifice. Hebrews 13:20 describes the new covenant as the blood of the everlasting covenant [diathēkē].”

God decreed that “the blood … maketh atonement for the soul” (Leviticus 17:11). The atonement was the only possible means of salvation for sinful man. In fact, Hebrews 9:22 declares, “without shedding of blood is no remission” for sin. It is all about "the blood of the covenant [diathēkē]" secured by our Lord and Savior (Heb 10:29).

Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant [diathēkē] (Hebrews 8:6), Jesus confirmed the covenant through His redemptive sacrifice at the cross. In Hebrews 9:12 we learn “by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.” We therefore see that Christ secured a full pardon for his elect putting away sin in the elect sinner (Hebrews 9:26) procuring their complete salvation.

The vicarious death of Christ, and the shedding of His blood, saw the complete fulfilment of the old covenant arrangement and the instigation of new covenant. Nothing else! Calvary secured it all! Jesus cried out “It is finished” in John 19:30. This is taken from the lone Greek word tetélestai. This means completed, executed, concluded, discharged (as in a debt). It also means paid in full or accomplished.

What was paid in full or accomplished? The penalty and punishment for your sin. It has been wonderfully and eternally paid for!

Once Christ gave up the ghost, the curtain in the temple was ripped in two, denoting that the old covenant was rendered useless. It was finished!!! Whilst the cross ushered in the new covenant, and the removal of the old covenant, many of the outward manifestations of the old covenant still remained, because of the ignorance and rebellion of man. God dismantled the outward facade of the disannulled covenant, removing every last vestige of it.

Galatians 1:4 explains “ Who gave himself for our sins that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God our Father”

Some of our sins? Most of our sins? The big sins? The repented sins? Our past sins only? No, "our sins" - period. Praise the Lord. Men either believe this or not. We have been beguiled by a man-centered gospel today that attributes our redemption or ongoing redemption to man. This is heresy. It is all because of Jesus. He did it all. We either accept this transaction as an eternal covering of our sin by faith or not.

It wasn't just redemption for time, but for eternity. Christ came to save sinners and He completed that perfectly, in that He secured eternal redemption for his elect through His death (Hebrews 5:8-9). In Hebrews 9:12 we learn “by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.” We therefore see that Christ secured a full pardon for his elect putting away sin in the elect sinner (Heb 9:26) procuring their complete salvation.

1 Peter 2:24 says, Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.”

From Gods side the word atonement means to satisfy or compensate, therefore Christ’s vicarious atonement satisfied all the just demands of a thrice-holy God.

From mans point of view the word atonement means to reconcile, or to cause to be at one, therefore Christ’s vicarious atonement reconciled the elect to God.

1 Peter 3:18 says, "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust"

Christ came to save sinners and He completed that perfectly, in that He secured eternal redemption for his elect through His death (Hebrews 5:8-9).

2 Corinthians 5:21 says, For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.”

At Calvary our sin was imputed to the Saviour (or put to His account); upon salvation His righteousness was imputed to us (or put to our account) by faith. Christ’s perfect once all-sufficient self sacrifice secured a full, real and perfect redemption for His own. The only way by which God pardons man’s sin is through the shedding of blood.

Christ was made a curse for us, Galatians 3:13 says, "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree." The shedding of His blood satisfied the Father and reconciled the sinner to God, securing eternal redemption (1 John 1: 7).

Those alone who put their faith and trust in Christ’s finished work at the cross are graciously clothed in the spiritual robes of Christ’s imputed righteousness. These white garments are not acquired by any intrinsic good in man but they are simply received by faith in our Saviour. It was Calvary alone that ensured that the penitent sinner would be arrayed in divine robes of righteousness.

Colossions 1:20-21 says “And having made peace through the blood of his cross by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him… And you, that were sometimes alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled.”

When a man or woman comes to Christ he is reconciled onto God, whereupon the power of sin is broke. Christ became our substitute at the Cross even though He was sinless. He was condemned on our behalf for the purpose that we would be eternally free. He took our sin, our guilt, our past, our weaknesses, our sorrows upon Himself – in full. Calvary was a finished work.
 
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You said The new covenant was made on man's behalf & Christ did not redeem the earth. and I asked you give me scripture in support of these contentions. Although your cut and paste is a pretty substantial amount of matereal it does not address either of these contentions and I see nothing that would be relavant to your claims.


Are you serious? Or are you pulling my leg? This is 101 Christianity. Where do you want me to start?

At Calvary the guilt of our sins was transferred or imputed to Christ. Our penalty was laid upon Him. He was condemned on our behalf in order that we could be free.

Isaiah 53:3-7 says, “He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.”

Isaiah 53:9-12 says, And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.”

In Matthew 20:28 Jesus said, “the Son of Man … give his life a ransom for many.”

Romans 5:8 says “While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.”

The word “for” here is the Greek word huper (hooper) which means ‘in the place of’ and ‘for the benefit of’.

This is good news for the sinner and good news for the saved, there is a place of deliverance, a place of escape, a place of grace in Christ, through Christ and by Christ. There is a place where we can escape the bondage of sin and the penalty of sin and it is called Calvary.

Think about it, God has ordained a means of reconciling you to Him without infringing upon His justice. It is called the cross. It was there that Jesus voluntarily took upon Himself your guilt and shame and paid for it fully so that you could know freedom.

When Jesus instituted the Lord’s supper in Matthew 26:28, which represented His shed blood for the remission of our sins, He declared: "For this is my blood of the new testament [diathēkē], which is shed for many for the remission of sins."

The Greek word here "testament" is diathēkē meaning covenant or testament.

Hebrews 9:14-15 confirms this: “the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament [diathēkē], that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.”

The whole idea of God-ordained covenant is all about the substitutionary blood sacrifice. Hebrews 13:20 describes the new covenant as the blood of the everlasting covenant [diathēkē].”

God decreed that “the blood … maketh atonement for the soul” (Leviticus 17:11). The atonement was the only possible means of salvation for sinful man. In fact, Hebrews 9:22 declares, “without shedding of blood is no remission” for sin. It is all about "the blood of the covenant [diathēkē]" secured by our Lord and Savior (Heb 10:29).

Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant [diathēkē] (Hebrews 8:6), Jesus confirmed the covenant through His redemptive sacrifice at the cross. In Hebrews 9:12 we learn “by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.” We therefore see that Christ secured a full pardon for his elect putting away sin in the elect sinner (Hebrews 9:26) procuring their complete salvation.

The vicarious death of Christ, and the shedding of His blood, saw the complete fulfilment of the old covenant arrangement and the instigation of new covenant. Nothing else! Calvary secured it all! Jesus cried out “It is finished” in John 19:30. This is taken from the lone Greek word tetélestai. This means completed, executed, concluded, discharged (as in a debt). It also means paid in full or accomplished.

What was paid in full or accomplished? The penalty and punishment for your sin. It has been wonderfully and eternally paid for!

Once Christ gave up the ghost, the curtain in the temple was ripped in two, denoting that the old covenant was rendered useless. It was finished!!! Whilst the cross ushered in the new covenant, and the removal of the old covenant, many of the outward manifestations of the old covenant still remained, because of the ignorance and rebellion of man. God dismantled the outward facade of the disannulled covenant, removing every last vestige of it.

Galatians 1:4 explains “ Who gave himself for our sins that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God our Father”

Some of our sins? Most of our sins? The big sins? The repented sins? Our past sins only? No, "our sins" - period. Praise the Lord. Men either believe this or not. We have been beguiled by a man-centered gospel today that attributes our redemption or ongoing redemption to man. This is heresy. It is all because of Jesus. He did it all. We either accept this transaction as an eternal covering of our sin by faith or not.

It wasn't just redemption for time, but for eternity. Christ came to save sinners and He completed that perfectly, in that He secured eternal redemption for his elect through His death (Hebrews 5:8-9). In Hebrews 9:12 we learn “by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.” We therefore see that Christ secured a full pardon for his elect putting away sin in the elect sinner (Heb 9:26) procuring their complete salvation.

1 Peter 2:24 says, Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.”

From Gods side the word atonement means to satisfy or compensate, therefore Christ’s vicarious atonement satisfied all the just demands of a thrice-holy God.

From mans point of view the word atonement means to reconcile, or to cause to be at one, therefore Christ’s vicarious atonement reconciled the elect to God.

1 Peter 3:18 says, "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust"

Christ came to save sinners and He completed that perfectly, in that He secured eternal redemption for his elect through His death (Hebrews 5:8-9).

2 Corinthians 5:21 says, For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.”

At Calvary our sin was imputed to the Saviour (or put to His account); upon salvation His righteousness was imputed to us (or put to our account) by faith. Christ’s perfect once all-sufficient self sacrifice secured a full, real and perfect redemption for His own. The only way by which God pardons man’s sin is through the shedding of blood.

Christ was made a curse for us, Galatians 3:13 says, "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree." The shedding of His blood satisfied the Father and reconciled the sinner to God, securing eternal redemption (1 John 1: 7).

Those alone who put their faith and trust in Christ’s finished work at the cross are graciously clothed in the spiritual robes of Christ’s imputed righteousness. These white garments are not acquired by any intrinsic good in man but they are simply received by faith in our Saviour. It was Calvary alone that ensured that the penitent sinner would be arrayed in divine robes of righteousness.

Colossions 1:20-21 says “And having made peace through the blood of his cross by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him… And you, that were sometimes alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled.”

When a man or woman comes to Christ he is reconciled onto God, whereupon the power of sin is broke. Christ became our substitute at the Cross even though He was sinless. He was condemned on our behalf for the purpose that we would be eternally free. He took our sin, our guilt, our past, our weaknesses, our sorrows upon Himself – in full. Calvary was a finished work.
 
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He is ruling now. He is reigning in majesty and glory since His enthronement over upon high when He defeated sin, death, Hades and Satan. There is is reigning from true Jerusalem, not the other one that is in bondage and answer to Sodom and Egypt.

The book of Revelation is such an overcomers manual it shocks me how many ignore it. The doom and gloom merchants obviously do not get the message. Thankfully, the early church readers got a lot of comfort from it! Why they rocked the known world. I hope you too do in this house tonight!

As we have seen: repeated Scripture portrays a victorious Christ since His all-conquering resurrection.

Jesus said Revelation 3:21: “I … overcame.”

Revelation 5:5 tells us: “behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed.”

Christ announced to His disciples in Matthew 28:18, “All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.”

Last week we learnt that one of the main effects of Satan being evicted from heaven and being spiritual bound was that the nations would be enlightened. But another immediate effect was that dead believers were released from the captivity of Abraham’s bosom and ushered into the heavenly abode.

As He rose they rose. After all, He was defeating the grave on their behalf.

Ephesians 4:8-10: says, “When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things).”

Jesus said in Revelation 1:17-18, “I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell (hades) and of death.”

Since the resurrection, Christ reigns supreme over all His enemies from His throne in heaven. This rule happening only after Christ triumphed over His enemies at the cross and gloriously rose from the dead.

Colossians 2:9-10, 14-15 confirms: "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power … Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled (or divested or disarmed) principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.”

Christ is reigning over the demonic realm.

Tony Evans states: “On the cross, Jesus Christ deactivated, dismantled and disarmed Satan’s rule over sin and death (Colossians 2:13-15). God gave the ultimate authority to His Son. He has placed all things in subjection to Jesus.”

1 Peter 3:22 says, that Christ, “is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.”

Without a doubt, Christ is reigning over His enemies since the resurrection, waiting for their final predetermined put down. Those who question Christ’s current reign do great assault upon the truth of God’s Word and undermine the current sovereign kingly position that He now assuredly holds.

Ephesians 1:20-23 tells us that God hath raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: And 'hath put' (aorist active indicative) all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.”

Here is a very important passage that again confirms the absolute authority that Christ now enjoys and reveals the unlimited scope of His current rule. It explicitly illustrates the current sovereign reign of Christ over all His enemies from the “right hand” of majesty on high.

1 Corinthians 15:25-28, saying: he must reign (present, active infinitive), till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. For ‘he hath put’ (aorist active indicative) all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. And when all things shall be (hupotageé) subdued (or subordinated) unto him (speaking of the second coming), then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all (1 Corinthians 15:25-28).

He is risen and He is reigning! This is happening now! Check out the actual original text and check out the tense.

Hebrews 1:1-3, 2:6-9 says, “God … hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things … Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high … What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: Thou hast put all things in subjection (aorist active indicative) under his feet. For in that ‘he put all in subjection’ (aorist active indicative) under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him. But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour."

More cut and paste. I`ll pass. This isn`t my first rodeo as it is said.
 
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If by normal you mean in a state of rebellion then yes. That`s what the text says, u have issue with that?
The rebellion is consumed by fire and Satan is cast into the lake of fire. Then the GWT. Normal ends at the 4th 5th and 6th seal. Nothing after that will ever be normal again. The Millennium will be a different normal, but at the end we leave one reality for a different reality.
 
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i understand. It is hard to fight the truth.

When your truth becomes whatever you intepret it to be you leave no opening to have a dialogue. You will not be able to accept the things I have to share on your topic.
 
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And I would agree with that, however Peter doesn`t appear to know how long a period of time that would be or that the destruction of earth at the end of the Gentile age would be incomplete and his epistle predates Revelation and the info given by it.

The text of 2 Peter 3:1-13 reveals the fire at the Second Coming of Christ, which agrees with what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, about Christ returning "in flaming fire".

This agrees with Jesus in the parable of the wheat and tares from Matthew 13.
The tares are gathered first and burned in the fire, and then the wheat is gathered into the barn.

Paul also said in 2 Timothy 4:1 that Christ judges both the living and the dead at His appearing.



Paul and Peter and Jesus agree. This planet is going to burn at His return.
It is going to be replaced by the New Heavens, and the New Earth promised to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16.

Paul said the Jerusalem above is our "mother" in Galatians 4:24-31.
It is the city promised in Hebrews 12:22-24, and Revelation 3:12.

The text recorded in all of scripture is inspired by the same Holy Spirit, which stands outside of space and time.
Peter cannot disagree with the others.

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When your truth becomes whatever you intepret it to be you leave no opening to have a dialogue. You will not be able to accept the things I have to share on your topic.

I already knew you were a bias Premil. Pretending to be otherwise was disingenuous.

I see you removed your vicious post. Even you knew it was unfair.
 
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The text of 2 Peter 3:1-13 reveals the fire at the Second Coming of Christ, which agrees with what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, about Christ returning "in flaming fire".

This agrees with Jesus in the parable of the wheat and tares from Matthew 13.
The tares are gathered first and burned in the fire, and then the wheat is gathered into the barn.

Paul also said in 2 Timothy 4:1 that Christ judges both the living and the dead at His appearing.



Paul and Peter and Jesus agree. This planet is going to burn at His return.
It is going to be replaced by the New Heavens, and the New Earth promised to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16.

Paul said the Jerusalem above is our "mother" in Galatians 4:24-31.
It is the city promised in Hebrews 12:22-24, and Revelation 3:12.

The text recorded in all of scripture is inspired by the same Holy Spirit, which stands outside of space and time.
Peter cannot disagree with the others.

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Apart from your last two sentences this is a pretty good post. In this argument you make your view sound right and you back yourself up with scripture without trying to create your own interpretation of what they mean. The post loses effectiveness at the end, Protestants who believe in literal interpretation as I do believe all scripture is inspired. I never said nor would I say Peter disagreed with the others. I said Peter had incomplete information and that he presents incomplete information in his epistle.

I will look at and address your verses here in a bit and get back to you.
 
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Paul and Peter and Jesus agree. This planet is going to burn at His return.
It is going to be replaced by the New Heavens, and the New Earth promised to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16.
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I seldom comment on your posts because I disagree with almost everything you write. However, I want to comment on this.

This planet is going to burn at His return. I take this to mean, you agree with Paul that our works will be burned, and that Jesus said he would come with flaming fire... I HOPE you mean His return to Armageddon as shown in Rev. 19.

Then you said,
"It is going to be replaced by the New Heavens, and the New Earth..." This too is a true statement: however, the way you wrote it makes it appear the two happen at the same time: He Comes, the earth is burned up and God creates a new one.

This is NOT the order written in scriptures.
Christ comes. Armageddon happens. He sets up His earthly throne and the Sheep and Goat judgment takes place. Satan is bound for a thousand years. The Millennial Reign takes place. AT the end, Satan is released to deceive the world again.

Finally it is time for the great White Throne Judgment. But before that, the current heaven and earth are GONE; and "no place was found for them."

THEN, AFTER the WTJ, God creates a new heaven and earth.
 
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I already knew you were a bias Premil. Pretending to be otherwise was disingenuous.

I see you removed your vicious post. Even you knew it was unfair.

Ok, I`ll repeat myself again. I stated that my view would be considered Premil before I put up any assertions about your topic. I never pretended anything, I just said I don`t study mil of any kind and I said that because there was/is a possibility that my view could cross over into some of your other boxes at times and I`ve ran into that before with other man made terms and doctrines.

I don`t consider the post I removed to have been vicious or unfair. If you really think that then I predict other people will hurt your feelings as you engage them.

It was uncharitable though and I am trying to work on how I come across. I became a bit frustrated with you because you kept answering my posts with lengthy cut and paste that largely doesn`t have anything to do with my remarks, and because I realized you have a view of a scripture that allows you to create your own truth.

Another reason I erased it is because I accidently answered you a second time the next morning and I liked the second post better then the one I erased.
 
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Ok, I`ll repeat myself again. I stated that my view would be considered Premil before I put up any assertions about your topic. I never pretended anything, I just said I don`t study mil of any kind and I said that because there was/is a possibility that my view could cross over into some of your other boxes at times and I`ve ran into that before with other man made terms and doctrines.

I don`t consider the post I removed to have been vicious or unfair. If you really think that then I predict other people will hurt your feelings as you engage them.

It was uncharitable though and I am trying to work on how I come across. I became a bit frustrated with you because you kept answering my posts with lengthy cut and paste that largely doesn`t have anything to do with my remarks, and because I realized you have a view of a scripture that allows you to create your own truth.

Nothing you said remotely registered on the Richter scale of offence. I have been on boards like this for 20 years and experienced such attitudes often. What is more, I was a Police Office in Northern Ireland for 15 years during the worst of the terrorism since the age of 19 years of age. I have also been a Pastor in the US ever since. It takes a lot to offend me.

It is just frustrating to prepare thorough posts and then watch you totally duck around them and throw short fly-by false assertions and think that is fair and acceptable. It is not! The observer can read what unfolded for themselves. They can judge who is avoiding the issues. The fact is, it is not my truth but God's truth that I presented. You refused to address one single passage. You just swiftly dismissed it, as if that would convince anyone. You initially give the impression you wanted to dig deep. You give the impression you wanted to be objective. Most of what I presented was actually fresh. One post I presented I prepared previous, but I thought it was relevant and helpful to our discussion. I thought you would at least engage.

The only conclusion I can come to with your avoidance is that you have no rebuttal. If you have, then present it, and keep the ad hominem out of it.
 
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Nothing you said remotely registered on the Richter scale of offence. I have been on boards like this for 20 years and experienced such attitudes often. What is more, I was a Police Office in Northern Ireland for 15 years during the worst of the terrorism since the age of 19 years of age. I have also been a Pastor in the US ever since. It takes a lot to offend me.

It is just frustrating to prepare thorough posts and then watch you totally duck around them and throw short fly-by false assertions and think that is fair and acceptable. It is not! The observer can read what unfolded for themselves. They can judge who is avoiding the issues. The fact is, it is not my truth but God's truth that I presented. You refused to address one single passage. You just swiftly dismissed it, as if that would convince anyone. You initially give the impression you wanted to dig deep. You give the impression you wanted to be objective. Most of what I presented was actually fresh. One post I presented I prepared previous, but I thought it was relevant and helpful to our discussion. I thought you would at least engage.

The only conclusion I can come to with your avoidance is that you have no rebuttal. If you have, then present it, and keep the ad hominem out of it.

I`ll think about it. A lot of your stuff is so far off in my view that I don`t find it intersting to address. I addressed as much of it as I had time for last night and you didn`t answer some of the things I presented and you covered yourself by throwing down cut and paste and a lot of matereal that wasn`t relevant to my contention.

I want to address post 492 later and when I have that finished I`ll look over your articles again but I`m not going to analyze a bunch of articles thrown up by you just to prove that I can. If I did then your thread would be filled with a bunch of commentary no one will be intersted in reading.
 
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