Is jesus waiting for year 6000 to come back?

ReesePiece23 · Sep 29, 2020

Jonathan Walkerin said:
We are only as old and boring as we feel.

I actually haven't listened to Pet Shop Boys in years. I've been stuck in Beatles mode for for a very long time now.

For the record, my posts in these sorts of threads are all banter and bluster - I'd never call anyone boring.

Jonathan Walkerin · Sep 29, 2020

ReesePiece23 said:
For the record, my posts in these sorts of threads are all banter and bluster - I'd never call anyone boring.

It is a cautionary tale for that 110 year old you.

But cmon 22nd century and you already feel it is going to be too complacent time to live.

Mr. M · Sep 29, 2020

parousia70 said:
Well, as DavidPT pointed out, Matthew 24:36 supports it fully.

Yes, even as I already posted the same statement from Acts 1:7.
This supports that there is a day that God has determined. That in no way ties it to a calendar, which once again, was the topic of OP.
Certainly not one you can make reference to, such as "the human calendar", which you just made up.
Romans 11:25. For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.
Is this a fixed day on a calendar? I am sure that The Father knows the day and the hour. I don't know what calendar that you can affix this. A human calendar? I will call it a God calendar, and leave it at that.
Regardless of whether or not Jesus now knows the day and the hour, we don't have a calendar to fix
a date to, just a statement that we can be sure the Father has fixed a day. When that is, as someone already pointed out, when we see the Son return, even as he departed.

ReesePiece23 · Sep 29, 2020

Jonathan Walkerin said:
It is a cautionary tale for that 110 year old you.

But cmon 22nd century and you already feel it is going to be too complacent time to live.

Right. Sorry. Yep - I'm with you now. (Reese, wake up mate.)

I think I just posted that at a time of day when the curve (that is my mood) is flattened lol. Sometimes other members' posts depress me greatly on certain threads. This NEED to be right all of the time is just a mood killer. I probably should have bottled it up.

I DO think that we'll get complacent in certain areas, but we'll also invent entirely NEW concepts that'll keep us busy. I kind of hope we'll see a throwback to a time before the internet BUT with 2100 'bolt ons'. Do I want to be 110 though? Not sure...

DavidPT · Sep 29, 2020

parousia70 said:
Excellent Point. So, from your perspective, what do you think about whether or not the Son now Knows?

He certainly didn't know while He was incarnate on earth, but is there any scriptural indication the Father is still keeping Him in the dark about it now?

I haven't fully made my mind up about that, to be honest. But I do tend to lean more towards He still doesn't know, with the following being some of my thinking for this. What is possible I guess, that when Jesus said, not even He knows when this day and hour was, He was only meaning at that time when He said this. But the fact Jesus is God though, what about before He came down from heaven and took on the form of a human? The Father would already know this day and hour while Jesus was dwelling with Him before He came down from heaven. Did both the Father and Son together know when this day and hour was? Or was this something the Father never bothered sharing with the Son before He came to the earth in form of a human?

Assuming He did share this with the Son previously, does that mean Jesus developed amnesia when He came to the earth in the form of a human, thus forget what the Father told Him? I don't see that being likely. That seems to indicate one is left to conclude, that before Jesus ever came to the earth in the form of a human, only the Father knew what day and hour these events would take place. We are then left asking ourselves this. If Jesus didn't know before He came to earth, and didn't know while He was on earth, when this day and hour is meaning, why would He then know after He leaves the earth and returns to heaven? Keeping in mind, He was already in heaven previously, and apparently didn't know even then.

Timtofly · Sep 29, 2020

DavidPT said:
The Father would already know this day and hour while Jesus was dwelling with Him before He came down from heaven. Did both the Father and Son together know when this day and hour was? Or was this something the Father never bothered sharing with the Son before He came to the earth in

Christ was in Word form. In human speak, that would mean the physical only happened when God "Spoke". The Son in flesh was post Cross. The flesh body that Abraham met was the Son after dying on the Cross.

nolidad · Sep 30, 2020

Timtofly said:
We do not know when Cain and Abel were born. If you apply the curse of 100 years from Isaiah 65, which is the reality of life with death and decay limited, you get the Math.

Adam was 30 years in the Garden of Eden. God gave him Seth after waiting the 100 years mentioned as being cursed in Isaiah 65. Jesus was also 30 years old when He was baptised. The common sense approach is that Adam was created with an age of 30.

The Catholics came up with them being children and innocent, following the pagan lead of Satan's fable of PANdora's box. Pan is Satan. The Pied Piper, Peter Pan and the children taken to never land. All this deception of loosing children to adulthood, or the attempt to save them by philosophical means. Sell your soul to the devil and loose your children in the process.

We do know from Genesis 2 that the 7th day was a Lord's Day. Peter says do not be ignorant about a Lord's Day. It is 1000 years. God rested from a perfect creation without death, and let it multiply for 1000 years. Adam did not age during that time. Then God created the Garden on the "8th" day. It was 1000 years later for the sons of God plural. Adam was one of many created in God's image both male and female on the 6th day. Adam was not even named until after Adam named the animals. When God placed Adam in Paradise, He gave him a name and Adam was the spiritual leader preventing sin from entering creation. That lasted 30 years. Cain and Abel were born in the Garden before sin during those 30 years. Adam had to wait 100 years after being banned, before God sent Seth. Seth had to wait 105 years. The time span went down until Methuselah. Then it seems that Methuselah had daughters first, before any sons. The daughters the sons of God decided to marry, thus starting the corruption of the sons of God.

The millennial 1000 years will be similiar and after 500 years and dozens of generations, the nations of the millennium will start getting restless and 400 years later will be ripe for Satan to once again deceive humans even under the leadership of Christ. The Flood destroyed the earth the first time. At the GWT, fire will destroy the earth.

Hi Tim:

Sorry but your entire post is based on supposition, personal guesswork and mis applying the 1,000 years of Peter (it was used as a metaphor and not a guide). some of this rises to the level of possibility8, but god never put it all in Scripture, so just like my opinions they are anywhere from 0 to 100% wrong!

nolidad · Sep 30, 2020

DavidPT said:
But that contradicts the following if true.

Genesis 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

This was after the fall. And when he begat Seth he did not already live for centuries, he only lived for 130 years at this point.

Well now we have to ask a whole bunch of questions we have no answer to:

1. Is that from the time of His CReation? Remember He did not age till the fall.
2. were ages even kept prior to the fall ?
3. Is it from the time of the fall?
4. If it is from the time of the fall, how long did Adam live before the fall.
5. Did Adam start that biological clock at the fall to know how long till He gave birth to Seth?

It appears strongly that the bible says 130 years from creation, but we can't say with great assurance, especially when we use it to try to set dates!

BNR32FAN · Sep 30, 2020

ImAllLikeOkWaitWat said:
On the current Jewish calendar its year 5780. It kind of makes sense if jesus comes back on the year 6000 for his 1000 year reign completing everything at year 7000. Once I figured this out I became pretty convinced jesus won't come back in my lifetime.

Well I believe there are many indications that even in the apostles time they were living in the last days. So I’m order for that to be accurate it must’ve been at least the halfway point which would’ve been somewhere around 4,000 years at that time. So I would say that this world can’t continue past 8,000 years if they were in the last days at 4,000ish years.

Sketcher · Sep 30, 2020

No one knows the day or the hour. Which means no one can calculate the day or the hour.

"Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, and saying, 'Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation.'" - 2 Peter 3:3-4

I have to remind myself to not let this be me. Don't let it be you.

DavidPT · Sep 30, 2020

nolidad said:
Well now we have to ask a whole bunch of questions we have no answer to:

1. Is that from the time of His CReation? Remember He did not age till the fall.
2. were ages even kept prior to the fall ?
3. Is it from the time of the fall?
4. If it is from the time of the fall, how long did Adam live before the fall.
5. Did Adam start that biological clock at the fall to know how long till He gave birth to Seth?

It appears strongly that the bible says 130 years from creation, but we can't say with great assurance, especially when we use it to try to set dates!

The first thing to note is this. Before God even created and formed man, He created measurable time involving seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks, so on and so on. As soon as Adam became a living soul, why would his biological clock not start at that moment? What would be the point of creating measurable time if it was never meant to be used until after the fall? Before the fall, do you not think there were 24 hour days everyday?

Timtofly · Oct 1, 2020

DavidPT said:
The first thing to note is this. Before God even created and formed man, He created measurable time involving seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks, so on and so on. As soon as Adam became a living soul, why would his biological clock not start at that moment? What would be the point of creating measurable time if it was never meant to be used until after the fall? Before the fall, do you not think there were 24 hour days everyday?

Sin does not define time. Sin defines the effects of change, while time happens. Without sin, time would not change the decay rate. Time would still happen, but no decay would happen.

Trees and plants would be the most noticeable. They would not "die" to produce seed and fruit. They would be pruned and keep producing more seeds and fruit. Genesis 2, claims nothing wild grew. Meaning that nothing sprung up, as new, because all seeds and fruit were for food, and did not produce a new generation of trees and plants until after the fall. Then Adam had to till the ground, because all plants would now die, and have to be sown back into the ground, that were used for food.

There were many sons of God created on the 6th day. They were taking care of the whole earth during the Sabbath. The Sabbath that did not have an evening and morning time stamp. It was not a 24 hr. period. It was a Lord's Day. Peter says only ignorant people think it was 24 hours. In human time, it was 1000 years. That is what we are supposed to remember about the 7th Day. It was given to those 6th day humans to live and multiply. It was to be remembered as holy to God. The Law just made it a day of "don'ts", and we forgot what the Sabbath was. God says there will be another Lord's Day. That is why we have Peter telling us not to be ignorant. After all of Adam's descendants are physically dead, some will be resurrected in Revelation 20. For 1000 years will once again fill the earth like the first Sabbath.

nolidad · Oct 1, 2020

DavidPT said:
The first thing to note is this. Before God even created and formed man, He created measurable time involving seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks, so on and so on. As soon as Adam became a living soul, why would his biological clock not start at that moment? What would be the point of creating measurable time if it was never meant to be used until after the fall? Before the fall, do you not think there were 24 hour days everyday?

We just do not know!

In the prohibition against eating the fruit of knowledge what God actually said was "in dying, you shall die".

Yes as soon as god created the earth and the heavens time commenced. But did Adam age before the fall? no one can say with any real degree of certainty. We can only hypothesize seeing as Scripture doesn't answer it for us.

Adam lived, but we do no tknow if his body advanced in age(time) biologically before the fall. He definitely existed in time and saw time advance, but that is all we can declare biblically.

Victor in Christ · Oct 2, 2020

hluke said:
Jesus is God. And Jesus is the creator. Hebrews 1:2

yeah, He was with Satan at the start of creation. waters in Genesis are plural. 2 stars in Job, one fell. Only Jesus was the beloved son of God.

There's a portion of scripture which slips my mind where i believe it says, Jesus doesn't know the end of days, only the Father. Jesus will return when the Father sends him. Personally, i don't believe that's literal, its spiritual.

nolidad · Oct 2, 2020

Victor in Christ said:
yeah, He was with Satan at the start of creation. waters in Genesis are plural. 2 stars in Job, one fell. Only Jesus was the beloved son of God.

There's a portion of scripture which slips my mind where i believe it says, Jesus doesn't know the end of days, only the Father. Jesus will return when the Father sends him. Personally, i don't believe that's literal, its spiritual.

Sorry but Satan was created!

And as Scripture says all things were created in the six days of creation. Satan the created being could not exist before creation.

Victor in Christ · Oct 2, 2020

nolidad said:
Sorry but Satan was created!

And as Scripture says all things were created in the six days of creation. Satan the created being could not exist before creation.

i'm not disputing Satan was created by God, he fell and is still trying to reign over us.

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