Clarification on the Creation

Nevada Smith said:

I just wanted to add that LORD God referred to was God the Son.
◄ John 6:46 ► NIV No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father.

Not even Adam saw God the Father.

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Debatable, since the Luke genealogy says Adam too was the son of God.

Bond-servant of Christ said:

very! John 1:1, is speaking of the "eternal" relationship between the First and Second Persons in the Holy Trinity. Nothing about actual Creation is mentioned till verse 3, "all things were made by Him..."

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Yet, since scripture interprets scripture, when Genesis 1 says that In the beginning ELOHM, (PLURAL name for God, NOT A SINGULAR NAME FOR GOD), created... and said let US (plural, not singular) make man in OUR image, it’s obvious that God was with God, at creation, per John 1:1 and it’s account that IN THE BEGINNING the word WAS God, and was WITH God.

Bond-servant of Christ said:

very! John 1:1, is speaking of the "eternal" relationship between the First and Second Persons in the Holy Trinity. Nothing about actual Creation is mentioned till verse 3, "all things were made by Him..."

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Creation is absolutely mentioned, when it (John 1:1) starts with the same exact words from the Genesis creation account - IN THE BEGINNING...
Can’t spin that fact, try as you might.

Michael Collum said:

Debatable, since the Luke genealogy says Adam too was the son of God.

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That’s another discussion- that every time God in human form appears in the OT, it’s Jesus, who as God, can transcend time.

Charlie24 said:

Well, my point is that God the Father owns all things.

In Heb. 1:2 we learn that God the Father has appointed Christ the heir of all things.

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The Father gave everything to the Son. The Son is the Lord of heaven and earth.

John 3:35
The Father loves the Son and has given all things into His hand.

Colossians 1:16
For by Him (Jesus) all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him (Jesus) and for Him (Jesus).

John 1:1-3
1 In the beginning was the Word (Jesus), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He (Jesus) was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through him (Jesus), and without him not one thing came into being.

chad kincham said:

That’s another discussion- that every time God in human form appears in the OT, it’s Jesus, who as God, can transcend time.

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Talk about another discussion

Bond-servant of Christ said:

Genesis 1:1 begins by the words, "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth". The word "God" in Hebrew, is "Elohim", which is masculine in gender, and plural in number.

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What about the other name of God used in the Genesis account?

The tetragrammaton, YHWH.

Charlie24 said:

John said that there are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, these three are one.

I heard it put this way in construction terms, concerning not only creation but everything willed by the Godhead.

The Father is the owner, He officiates, the Son is the architect that draws the plans, the Holy Spirit is the contractor that carries out the plan.

All three are one God who agree on everything and work together to bring about everything.

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I see Jesus as front and center in all things. Everything was given to the Son. The Son (the Word) is Lord of heaven and earth.

The King of Israel is Jesus.

The Father created through Jesus and for Jesus.

Everything in heaven and earth exists for the Son.

You and I exist only for the Son.

Everything was created for the Son!

Adam and Eve were created only for the Son.

Nevada Smith said:

I agree the Godhead is plural, God the Father and God the Son.

"Jesus Christ is Creator WITH The Father"
Do you think that ◄ Colossians 1:15-16 ► NIV should read?
15The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For in him, with his Father, all things were created:

Yes there is the plural usage in Genesis 1:26. However in the second creation of man Genesis 2 15-19, there is no "us" or "our." Genesis 1:26 is the only place in the Bible that "us" and "our" is used.

"Humans are made in the "image of God" And the heavenly hosts are not?
Were Angels Created in the Image of God?

Do you think that Genesis 1:1 should read:
1In the beginning the Holy Trinity created the heavens and the earth.

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No. I think it reads the way it is supposed to read.

Bond-servant of Christ said:

may I ask what "Christian" you actually are? are you "Jesus ONLY"?

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What is a Jesus-only Christian?

Thomas White said:

What is a Jesus-only Christian?

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What are the beliefs of Jesus only / oneness Pentecostals? | GotQuestions.org

klutedavid said:

What about the other name of God used in the Genesis account?

The tetragrammaton, YHWH.

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what about it? It is masculine, singular. Each Person of the Godhead is called YAHWEH in the Holy Bible.

chad kincham said:

Creation is absolutely mentioned, when it (John 1:1) starts with the same exact words from the Genesis creation account - IN THE BEGINNING...
Can’t spin that fact, try as you might.

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ok, looks like you have your mind made up! move on!

chad kincham said:

Yet, since scripture interprets scripture, when Genesis 1 says that In the beginning ELOHM, (PLURAL name for God, NOT A SINGULAR NAME FOR GOD), created... and said let US (plural, not singular) make man in OUR image, it’s obvious that God was with God, at creation, per John 1:1 and it’s account that IN THE BEGINNING the word WAS God, and was WITH God.

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so, by your own argument, since Genesis 1:1 is what John 1:1 is saying, the plurality of "Elohim" does not inculde the Holy Spirit, Who is not mentioned anywhere in the opening Chapter of John's Gospel! So the US and OUR of Genesis does not include the Holy Spirit, as John 1:1, which according to your reasoning, is the same as Genesis 1:1, does not mention the Holy Spirit!!!

Bond-servant of Christ said:

what about it? It is masculine, singular. Each Person of the Godhead is called YAHWEH in the Holy Bible.

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You mentioned Elohim but not YHWH.

YHWH is the sacred name of God.

The word Elohim occurs more than 2500 times in the Hebrew Bible, with meanings ranging from "gods" in a general sense (as in Exodus 12:12, where it describes "the gods of Egypt"), to specific gods (e.g., 1 Kings 11:33, where it describes Chemosh "the god of Moab", or the frequent references to Yahweh as the "elohim" of Israel), to demons, seraphim, and other supernatural beings (wikipedia, Elohim)

klutedavid said:

You mentioned Elohim but not YHWH.

YHWH is the sacred name of God.

The word Elohim occurs more than 2500 times in the Hebrew Bible, with meanings ranging from "gods" in a general sense (as in Exodus 12:12, where it describes "the gods of Egypt"), to specific gods (e.g., 1 Kings 11:33, where it describes Chemosh "the god of Moab", or the frequent references to Yahweh as the "elohim" of Israel), to demons, seraphim, and other supernatural beings (wikipedia, Elohim)

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so what do you make of Genesis 1:26?

Then God (plural) said, “Let US (plural) make man in OUR (plural) image, according to OUR (plural) likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

and

Ecc 12:1 Remember now thy Creators (Heb, plural) in the days of thy youth, while the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say, I have no pleasure in them

Job 35:10 But none saith, Where is God my Makers (Heb, plural), Who giveth
songs in the night"

Isa 54:5 For thy Makers (Heb, plural) is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is His Name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall He be called

Bond-servant of Christ said:

so what do you make of Genesis 1:26?

Then God (plural) said, “Let US (plural) make man in OUR (plural) image, according to OUR (plural) likeness; let them

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We were created in the image of the Creator and here is what the Creator looks like.

Revelation 1:14-15
His head and His hair were white like white wool, like snow; and His eyes were like a flame of fire. His feet were like burnished bronze, when it has been made to glow in a furnace, and His voice was like the sound of many waters.

The Father is invisible and has never been seen. You can only know of the Father if you know Jesus.

klutedavid said:

We were created in the image of the Creator and here is what the Creator looks like.

Revelation 1:14-15
His head and His hair were white like white wool, like snow; and His eyes were like a flame of fire. His feet were like burnished bronze, when it has been made to glow in a furnace, and His voice was like the sound of many waters.

The Father is invisible and has never been seen. You can only know of the Father if you know Jesus.

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so what has that got to do with the Godhead in Trinity of Persons? You don't need to SEE The Father and Holy Spirit, to believe they exist! Are you denying that God the Father, and God the Holy Spirit ALSO Created?

Bond-servant of Christ said:

so, by your own argument, since Genesis 1:1 is what John 1:1 is saying, the plurality of "Elohim" does not inculde the Holy Spirit, Who is not mentioned anywhere in the opening Chapter of John's Gospel! So the US and OUR of Genesis does not include the Holy Spirit, as John 1:1, which according to your reasoning, is the same as Genesis 1:1, does not mention the Holy Spirit!!!

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Scripture doesn’t say the third person of the trinity created the world, or mankind

klutedavid said:

We were created in the image of the Creator and here is what the Creator looks like.

Revelation 1:14-15
His head and His hair were white like white wool, like snow; and His eyes were like a flame of fire. His feet were like burnished bronze, when it has been made to glow in a furnace, and His voice was like the sound of many waters.

The Father is invisible and has never been seen. You can only know of the Father if you know Jesus.

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That’s a description of the risen Christ you gave. He didn’t have a body yet, at creation.

God is a spirit, and has no body - thus when He made us in His image, He made us a spirit, and put it in a temporary home, our physical body.

chad kincham said:

Scripture doesn’t say the third person of the trinity created the world, or mankind

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Yes it does.

That’s a description of the risen Christ you gave. He didn’t have a body yet, at creation.

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Here He is before the crucifixion. The identity and description are identical.

Daniel 10:5-6
I lifted my eyes and looked, and behold, there was a certain man dressed in linen, whose waist was girded with a belt of pure gold of Uphaz. His body also was like beryl, his face had the appearance of lightning, his eyes were like flaming torches, his arms and feet like the gleam of polished bronze, and the sound of his words like the sound of a tumult.

God is a spirit, and has no body

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The Father and the Holy Spirit have never been seen, for they are invisible. Jesus on the other hand we saw, we heard and we touched Him.

You have been made in the image of YHWH, the Word, Jesus.

In the spiritual sense we are converted into His spiritual image.

Romans 8:29
For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren.