That is your burden to bear, not mine to debunk! Yes, indeed, not all men believe, but nowhere is it stated or implied that it impossible for any man in general to believe, which is precisely what your theological picture has been painted to portray!
But you know that is not true.
You already KNOW that Jesus PROMISED that some men
were NEVER MEANT to be believe or be saved:
Mar 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: 12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
And again we see men who were NEVER MEANT to believe
or be saved.
Joh 10:26
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
So, your statement contradicts the WORDS OF CHRIST
(and I think you already know that). What do you do with
Mark 4:11-12 and John 10:26?
And yes, it is a very important part of the gospel! It is good news because there is hope for everyone!
Obviously it is Good news for SOME... but not all.
There is no "good news" for those who were NEVER MEANT
to be saved [see Mark 4:11-12 and John 10:26 above]
The fact that you SAY there is hope for everyone does not
make it true... that is just your opinion and it contradicts
the WORDS OF CHRIST in Mark 4:11-12. Should we
believe your opinion or the WORDS OF CHRIST?
Not so for your gospel, if honestly presented, for you know that the large majority of those who might hear are chosen to be reprobate,
No, do not misrepresent me.
I have said clearly that ALL MEN are born spiritually DEAD
and destined to Hell. They are not "chosen to be reprobate"
they are born spiritually DEAD because a Righteous God told
Adam that would be the result of his rebellion. And a Righteous
God cannot LIE.
All men being BORN spiritually DEAD and slaves to Satan
is NOT the same as being "chosen to be reprobate".
Please be intellectually honest with my position.
The only question that matters is if there is hope for every man who hears the gospel! Yours, in my humble opinion, does not!
Doug
Is there hope for those in Mark 4:11-12?
Is there hope for those in John 10:26?
No... you must admit there is NO HOPE for either class
of people. They were NEVER MEANT to be saved.
Moreover,
Jesus explained very clearly that the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven"
(the church) consists of both saved "wheat/sheep" sown by God
and destined to eternal life and unsaved "tares/goats" sown by
Satan and destined to the SAME FIRE prepared for Satan and
his demons [Mat 25:41]
Those unsaved "tares/goats" sown in the church by Satan
HEAR THE GOSPEL. Can they suddenly decide to become
saved "wheat/sheep" sown by God? No, they are "tares".
They were NEVER MEANT to be saved. That is clear.
And so your "theory" that everyone who hears the Gospel
can become saved is proven to contradict Scripture.
Let me give you another example:
The LAST "wheat and tares" on earth, living in the Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1-13] are called "wise virgins"
[saved wheat] and "foolish virgins" [unsaved tares].
The "wise virgins" are taken in the Final Harvest into the Marriage
[Mat 25:10] and the "DOOR IS SHUT". The "foolish virgins",
who thought they were saved, complain they should be included.
They are told to depart [see Mat 7:21-23 and Luke 13:23-28 where
the DOOR IS SHUT... all these were NEVER MEANT to be saved]
Now... could the "foolish virgins" suddenly decide to become
"wise virgins"? No, they "went forth" into the Kingdom [Mat 25:1]
already unsaved... they were never elect.. they are another group
of people NEVER MEANT to be saved.
Doug, there are SO MANY examples of people who were
NEVER MEANT to be saved. These are just a FEW examples.
But these few examples DESTROY a gospel that teaches that
ALL MEN have the potential to be saved.
I see this as a difference of perspective.
Knowing that ALL MEN are born spiritually DEAD and destined
to eternal torment, I find "good news" that SOME MEN are
"chosen" or "elected" to escape that fate. You seem to feel
that it is not fair if ALL MEN are not "chosen" or "elected" to
escape that fate.
In any case, the Bible is clear that some men were
NEVER MEANT to be saved... so you need to harmonize
that reality into your gospel.
Jim
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