Is Mattherw 7:21 referring to Muslims?

Danigt22 said:

I guess there are false believers among us. Nevertheless the moment we have the holy ghost when believe, this something he will never say. He cannot deny himself. Maybe lordship salvationists?

John 6:40
“And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.”

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Remember, Jesus is speaking of a future time, "In that day". These men have all died with the belief that they were righteous. They spent their life teaching in Christ's Name, helping people in Christ's Name, do all manner of works they were convinced were righteous.

When Jesus comes back He will resurrect the dead. It seems these in Matt. 7 are alive again, and they see their judgment, which is not good. So they do as many men will do, they make the case that the judgment against them is wrong. To Paraphrase;

they wake up and are standing before the judgement seat of Christ, as we all will.

2 Cor. 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

They are standing before the Christ for the first time in their lives, and have been shown their judgment.

Now Wait a minute!!!! Lord, Lord, don't you know who we are?

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Jesus hears them out, and then proceeds with HIS Judgment.

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

He teaches the same thing in another place.

Matt. 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. (Lord, Lord, don't you know who we are?)

2 Tim. 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

This is a warning we should all consider.

Danigt22 said:

We all are going to be departed if we use it only with that context. Remember the letter to the galatians. Only faith in the finish work in cross can hide our sins. For me alteast, it is a warning not to rely in yourself, but in Gods grace, mercy and love.

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Yes, those men in Matt. 7 created their own righteousness and did not "walk" in the Righteousness of God. They were relying on themselves, not the Word of God, to guide their footsteps.

I think that Jesus telling them that he never knew them because they were workers of lawlessness indicates that God's law is His instructions for how to know and be known by Him, or in other words how to have a relationship with Him. In 1 John 2:3, those who say that they know Christ, but don't obey his commands are liars and the truth is not in them, and in 1 John 3:4-6, sin is defined as the transgression of God's law and those who continue to practice sin have neither seen nor known him. In Jeremiah 9:3 and 9:6, they did not know God and refused to know Him because in 9:13, they had forsaken God's law, while in 9:24, those who know God know that He delights in practicing steadfast love, justice, and righteousness in all of the earth, so when we delight in expressing these and other aspects of God's nature through our obedience to His law, then we are experientially knowing God.

The Bible often uses the same terms to describe the nature of God as it does to describe the nature of God's law, which again is because it is God's instructions for how to experientially know Him through expressing His nature, such as with it being holy, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12). In Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that tithing was something that they ought to be doing while not neglecting weightier matters of the law of justice, mercy, and faithfulness, so the problem in Matthew 7:21-23 is that people can do good things in obedience to what the law says to do while missing that the whole goal of the law is to testify about how to know and be known by Christ, which is why Romans 10:4 says that Christ is the goal of the law.

In John 5:39-40, Jesus said that the Pharisees search the Scriptures because they think that in them they have eternal life and is they that testify of him, yet they refuse to come to him that they may have life. In Matthew 19:17, Jesus said that if we want to enter into eternal life, then obey the commandments, so eternal life can be found in the Scriptures and the Pharisees were correct to search for it there, but they needed to recognize that the goal of everything in Scriptures is to testify about how to known and be known by Christ and how to come have a relationship with him for eternal life. In Philippians 3:8, Paul was in the same boat as the Pharisees where he had been obeying the law, but without having a focus on knowing Christ, so he had been missing the whole goal of the law and counted it all as rubbish. In John 6:40, everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him will have eternal life, and in John 17:3, eternal life is to know God, so that combined with Matthew 19:17 means that obedience to God's commandment is what it looks like to believe in the Son and to know God.

Danigt22 said:

Everyone who believes in him, is accounted as righteous. Nevertheless even though we are seal in the promise of the resurrection, I do believe in sanctification and Gods chastisement. If we disobey the holy ghost, we are going to be save by fire and brimstone.

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These men believed in Him and were not accounted as Righteous. Do you believe the Christ didn't send His Prophets to warn them about iniquity? Are the Prophet's not inspired by the Holy Spirit of Christ?

2 Tom. 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Does this also include me if I call HIM Lord, Lord?

Danigt22 said:

"Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent . . . All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day."
John 6:29, 37-40, KJV
"Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work."
John 4:34, KJV
"13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,"
Ephesians 1:13

Your salvation was finish by our lords work, and it is giving to you in faith. If you believe you need to depart from all iniquity... then guess what the lord will tell you when you boast your works. But, I do have to mention, I dont believe this is for lordship salvationists, but for Muslims who dont believe in the finish work on the cross. And Jews who go back to the talmud.

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Those men in Matt. 7, also heard the "Word of Truth", but they didn't trust them, nor believe them.

As it is written.

Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Many do not believe these Word's.

Danigt22 said:

Galatians 3 kjv
"22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus."

Galatians 3 explains the gospel of grace. If you believe you need works then it isnt grace but a salary.

"8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."

There is no need to had more to the finish work of the cross. Dont deny Christ following the law.

"6 Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

7 And they reasoned among themselves, saying, It is because we have taken no bread.

8 Which when Jesus perceived, he said unto them, O ye of little faith, why reason ye among yourselves, because ye have brought no bread?

9 Do ye not yet understand, neither remember the five loaves of the five thousand, and how many baskets ye took up?

10 Neither the seven loaves of the four thousand, and how many baskets ye took up?

11 How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees?

12 Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees."

You need more faith in the finish work in the cross, dont add words that put in doubt his grace. Trust in the lord Jesus of your salvation only.

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I am not adding Scriptures, I am trusting them all. Your personal interpretation of Galatians doesn't make void the Words of Paul in his letter to the Romans, or the Ephesians or the Corinthians.

I do trust the Lord's definition of HIS Salvation. Not so much the "leaven" of the mainstream preachers of Jesus' time, nor the leaven of the mainstream preachers of our time.

Passover is the beginning of Salvation, not the end. This is a Biblical Fact that can not be denied if the Holy Scriptures are our guide.

Just as Matt.7 teaches, calling Jesus Lord, Lord will not even matter if a man is not a "Doer" of His Word.

Like Paul teaches.

Rom. 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

13(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

I am not adding anything, I am just not omitting Word's just because they may go against some popular religious philosophy.

For me, I think we should live by "all" that is written, like Jesus said to do.

Not "my" works, but HIS!!! Isn't that Faith in HIM?

Studyman said:

Not "my" works, but HIS!!! Isn't that Faith in HIM?

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Beats faith in a religion that uses Him for it's own purposes rather than His.

GPendu said:

Christians don't fear hell. They fear God and depart from evil.

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Fear meaning respect

Danigt22 said:

""13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,"
Ephesians 1:13
Anwer me this, do you believe what ephesians 1:13 says, or do you believe you can loose the seal of the holy spirit?

"they may go against some popular religious philosophy." So this is your reason to reject grace. It is your choice. If by works you want to earn the blood of the Lord, then better never sin. You will be making your circumcision into uncircumcision.

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I believe in the Christ of the Bible, all of His Word's, not just a few that can be used to promote this religious philosophy or that. This means I also believe in Eph. 1:13. I believe the same Spirit that inspired Paul in the letter of the Ephesians also inspired Moses to say the following. The Same Christ, the ONE Savior.

Duet. 10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:

I do not reject the Grace of God, I embrace it. I am thankful for it. I am just not interested in the grace of religious men.


In your religious philosophy, is the Christ's Words in Deuteronomy the Word of Truth?

Is this the Same Christ who became Flesh?

Or do you believe in another?

Danigt22 said:

I guess there are false believers among us. Nevertheless the moment we have the holy ghost when believe, this something he will never say. He cannot deny himself. Maybe lordship salvationists?

John 6:40
“And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.”

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Jesus said that he would tell those who were workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so why would you think that his problem was with lordship salvationists? In Matthew 19:17, Jesus said that if we want to enter into eternal life, then obey the commandments, so obedience to the commandments is what it looks like to believe on the Son. Furthermore, in John 17:3, eternal life is knowing God, so again obedience to God's law it looks like to know Him.

eleos1954 said:

It's referring to professing followers of Jesus who aren't really abiding in Christ.

A relationship with Jesus is not based on what you are doing, it is based on what He is doing.

All the glory always goes to God and what He is doing .... not what any of us are doing.

verse 22.... are examples of professing christians who are usurping the glory of the Lord for themselves .... ie ... did't we do this (our works).... didn't we do that ... (our works)

anything WE do is filthy rags .... it's all about Jesus and what he is doing.

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In 1 John 2:6, those who abide in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked. Jesus said that he would tell those who were workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so God's laws are his instructions for how to be known by him or in other words how to have a relationship with Jesus.

It would be absurd to think that God views what we do as filthy rags when all throughout the Bible, He wanted His people to repent and to return to obedience to His law. In Isaiah 64:6, it is not God speaking, but rather it is the people complaining about how God was not coming down and making his presence known. In reality, the righteous deeds of the saints are like fine white linen (Revelation 19:8).

Danigt22 said:

Remember the promise God made with Abraham, one child was born with works and doubt "Ishmael" and the other was born in faith alone "Isaac". Which one of this two inherit his father land?

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Obedience to any set of instructions that are given for our own good is about putting our faith in the one who gave them to rightly guide us, which is why Jesus said in Matthew 23:23 that faith is one of the weightier matters of the law. What we believe is expressed through our actions, which is why James 2:17-18 says that faith without works is dead and that he would show his faith by his works. Every example of someone living by faith in the Bible is also an example of someone living in obedience to God's will, such as with those listed in Hebrews 11, whereas disobedience to God's law is described as breaking faith, such as in Numbers 5:6. This is also why Paul said in Romans 3:31 that our faith upholds God's law. In Revelation 14:12, those who kept faith in Christ are the same as those who kept God's commandments. In Habakkuk 2:4, the righteous shall live by faith, and in Isaiah 51:7, the righteous are those on whose heart is God's law. In 2 Timothy 3:18, those who oppose Moses also oppose the truth, being of corrupted minds and disqualified in regard to the faith. God is trustworthy, therefore His law is also trustworthy (Psalms 19:7, Nehemiah 9:13), and a law that isn't trustworthy can't come from a God is who trustworthy, so to put our faith in the law is to put our faith in the One who gave it while refusing to put our faith in the law is denying that God is trustworthy. Only those who have faith in God to guide us in how to live will obey His law and will be justified by the same faith, which is why Paul said in Romans 2:13 that only doers of the law will be justified, but did not say that we earn our justification by obeying the law. So the one who has faith with inherit the promise and will obey God's law by the same faith.

Soyeong said:

In 1 John 2:6, those who abide in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked. Jesus said that he would tell those who were workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so God's laws are his instructions for how to be known by him or in other words how to have a relationship with Jesus.

It would be absurd to think that God views what we do as filthy rags when all throughout the Bible, He wanted His people to repent and to return to obedience to His law. In Isaiah 64:6, it is not God speaking, but rather it is the people complaining about how God was not coming down and making his presence known. In reality, the righteous deeds of the saints are like fine white linen (Revelation 19:8).

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Only through Him will we have good works (glory to God) .... without Him our works are filthy rags.

eleos1954 said:

Only through Him will we have good works (glory to God) .... without Him our works are filthy rags.

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In John 5:39-40, Jesus said that the Scriptures testify about him, so doing good works in obedience to God's law has always been intended to be through him. In any case, that was not the point being made in Isaiah 64:6.