Actually Assessing the Debate

alllivesmatter said:

At least Trump didn't yell shut up to Biden.

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He was too busy yelling other stuff.

It'll be interesting to hear the next two debates. I think this one was a knock down drag out and nothing really got sorted out.

I do think Trump hurt his cause, but not to the point he can't recover over the next two.

zippy2006 said:

I sort of agree, but I don't see how people are pinning this on Wallace. I don't think Wallace's moderation qua interruptions was all that bad. It wasn't effective, but what would have been effective? Should he have tried to interrupt Trump and speak over Trump to somehow "force" Trump to quiet down with sheer strength? He actually tried that a few times and of course it didn't work. What was Wallace supposed to do?

I think part of the puzzle is easy: for the first 2 minute opening statements the opponent's microphone should be turned off. Simple. But after those first 4 minutes of each section there are no easy answers. If microphones were micromanaged during the open discussion portion each side would become enraged and call "bias" and "foul."

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Simple would be having a president who would have the self control to be quiet for two minutes and not need their microphone turned off to go it. The fact that Trump couldn’t do it is a scathing indictment on him having the temperament needed to be a good president.

rjs330 said:

It'll be interesting to hear the next two debates. I think this one was a knock down drag out and nothing really got sorted out.

I do think Trump hurt his cause, but not to the point he can't recover over the next two.

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Do you think he can get his head out of his back pocket next time?

Biden said he is the democrat party, I feel Biden is just a puppet of the DNC it's very clear in my eyes.

johneb said:

Biden said he is the democrat party, I feel Biden is just a puppet of the DNC it's very clear in my eyes.

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And that’s “bad”?

Pommer said:

And that’s “bad”?

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The GOP is a puppet of Trump. That’s good, right?

JohnDB said:

Just about everyone who isn't a criminal has a positive relationship with police officers...they go to church with us...they are our neighbors. They come over for barbeque...

We see the lack of support for Biden by them as "something is wrong".

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What a different world you and I live in.

GreatLakes4Ever said:

Simple would be having a president who would have the self control to be quiet for two minutes and not need their microphone turned off to go it. The fact that Trump couldn’t do it is a scathing indictment on him having the temperament needed to be a good president.

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Sure, I'm all for digging up JFK and returning to a more advanced age.

Pommer said:

And that’s “bad”?

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It's good if you think packing the supreme court is a good idea, it's good if think turning the USA into a third world country. Then vote for Biden, but if you love America think twice before you vote.

johneb said:

It's good if you think packing the supreme court is a good idea, it's good if think turning the USA into a third world country. Then vote for Biden, but if you love America think twice before you vote.

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I have thought many more times than that. Just waiting for my absentee ballot.

zippy2006 said:

I sort of agree, but I don't see how people are pinning this on Wallace. I don't think Wallace's moderation qua interruptions was all that bad.

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Really, it was. But I wonder about the ground rules. Wasn't there a time when each of the speakers were given a set amount of time, then the other one got rebuttal time of a certain length, like one minute. And then the next question went to the opposite candidate, and so forth? And the moderator did not become part of the debate!!

If the board of control doesn't put some discipline into Debate #2, it's likely that people will not pay much attention to them anymore.

It wasn't effective, but what would have been effective? Should he have tried to interrupt Trump and speak over Trump to somehow "force" Trump to quiet down with sheer strength? He actually tried that a few times and of course it didn't work. What was Wallace supposed to do?

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I don't want to pin blame on either candidate for the lack of decorum, but the moderator...he not only didn't confine himself to moderating, but he favored one of the candidates and made himself one of the participants, too.

I think part of the puzzle is easy: for the first 2 minute opening statements the opponent's microphone should be turned off.

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I thought that too. And it should be used throughout.

johneb said:

It's good if you think packing the supreme court is a good idea, it's good if think turning the USA into a third world country. Then vote for Biden, but if you love America think twice before you vote.

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I love America. I’ve thought about this long and hard for the past several years but especially so these past 10 months. I’m voting for Biden to restore some semblance of dignity to my country. Sure, he’s not great but ok is much better than bad.

Trump is bad.

johneb said:

It's good if you think packing the supreme court is a good idea, it's good if think turning the USA into a third world country. Then vote for Biden, but if you love America think twice before you vote.

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Keep undermining our constitutions and our institutions and you will get have a third world country soon enough. It seems 1/3 of the country wants an authoritarian wrapped in a flag and holding a Bible.

wing2000 said:

Keep undermining our constitutions and our institutions and you will get have a third world country soon enough. It seems 1/3 of the country wants an authoritarian wrapped in a flag and a Bible.

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Which flag?

cow451 said:

Which flag?

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johneb said:

It's good if you think packing the supreme court is a good idea, it's good if think turning the USA into a third world country. Then vote for Biden, but if you love America think twice before you vote.

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So, (lemme get this straight), if I want the USA to “turn into a third world country” I should vote for Biden?

What’s Biden’s plan to “achieve” this outcome?

GoldenBoy89 said:

Trump is bad.

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How so? Please explain.

Bobber said:

Here's something I heard Ari Fleischer point out today on Fox. He said if you go back and re-watch the debate one might be surprise to see it was Joe Biden actually who started with the interruption things. I believe you can see this take place at 6:49.

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It’s about who did it first? That would be Trump at 6:22...