Man of Lawlessness revealed

Halbhh · Sep 30, 2020

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:
is the lawless one the same as the antichrist then?

Yes this seems so.

ZNP said:
If you read Paul's account of what it will be like in the last days ...

This is very good to look at right now.

Let me underline each one that has sharply increased during my own lifetime in a clear, undeniable way that can't just be my own guessing, but is quite definite (and I'm near 60).

There may well be more than the ones I'll underline, but I will only be underlining what I know with undeniable clearness has definitely increase drastically without any possibility I imagined it more than it is.

1 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.
2 Timothy 3 NIV

It's hard for me to gauge the degree of disobedient to parents. We are lucky in my house in that regard, but also I do pray each day, which has a clear effect.

Also, I'm not sure of degree of ungrateful. It happens our church we joined years ago here in this new location emphasizes gratefulness as just a part of their normal way, so I'm in a bubble possibly, not sure. Unholiness does seem increased across the nation, but I was unsure the degree say in the 1980s, and we do now easily find real faith on the internet, so it's harder to gauge the change. But....it feels like in just the last couple of years there is a loss.

Again, similar for love -- there is a lot here locally, but also I can see a real decrease in society at times....which is the stronger indication? Unforgiving...well...there's one to watch. Have ya'll noticed a trend for that one?
Slander though -- it's increased so much!!

Overall, it feels very much like most of this has accelerated.

lsume · Sep 30, 2020

ZNP said:
8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.

It seems to me Donald Trump is being revealed, whether his Tax returns, or his family members writing tell all books, or even close associates. His childish debate, allegations he paid someone to take the SAT for him, etc.

"He’s done": George Conway predicts Trump will wind up "bankrupt" and a "criminal defendant"

Please consider the Spiritual meaning of the Verse you use. Consider that when Christ comes to you as a thief in the night, the evil in you will be vanquished by The Illumination of Christ. I can assure you that when you stand before the judgement seat of Christ, you will not be explaining anything about someone else. It will all be about you. This Truth can be difficult to receive.

Please read 2 Thessalonians 2. Now consider that the man of sin is anyone who hasn’t been converted. The Truth of Christ moves in and the man of sin (beast) is vanquished. From what I’ve seen, there seems to be a physical manifestation of Spiritual reality.

tranquil · Sep 30, 2020

ZNP said:
If you read Paul's account of what it will be like in the last days it is a very appropriate description of Trump. Also if you understand the Abrahamic accord to be the Peace treaty prophesied by Daniel that also would support an interpretation of Trump.

But clearly, on this thread not everyone interprets it this way.

There are 3 Satanic pentagrams on the Republican logo. Republican Party (United States) - Wikipedia

(Remember when Christians actually cared about that kind of thing?)
Mar-a-Lago means 'Sea to Lake' in Spanish (the 'beast from the sea')
He's called himself the messiah at least 2x.
And Daniel 9 Bible prophecy itself indicts him.

In Daniel 9, there are multiple time frames listed . It is a list of 70 years (Daniel 9:2), 70 weeks (Daniel 9:24), 7 weeks (Daniel 9:25), 62 weeks (Daniel 9:25 & Daniel 9:26), 0.5 weeks (Daniel 9:27). When we start at May 14, 1948 for the start of the 70 years it is pretty obvious that Trump is Israel's anointed one instead of Jesus -

Israel calls him 'Cyrus the anointed one',
Go forward 70 years to dusk April 19, 2018 (70 Hebrew years) and then go forward 70 weeks to get to when he anointed himself as the messiah 2x on Aug 21, 2019 which was the last day of the end of 70 weeks - dusk Aug 21/ dusk Aug 22, 2019. https://www.washingtonpost.com/reli...ssianic-claims-he-embraces-king-israel-title/
& if one interprets the 70 'shabua' of Daniel 9:24 as 'Shavuot', then during the 70th Feast of Weeks/ Shavuot of Israel, Trump visited the Western Wall (May 22, 2017)
in the KJV of Daniel 9:25 it says: Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. Trump's Wall is a reference to that wall.
Because there are multiple layers to Daniel 9 going on simultaneously, the 62 weeks of Daniel 9:25 and Daniel 9:26 could be translated/ understood to be occurring immediately after dusk Aug 22, 2019 - getting us to dusk Oct 29, 2020.
- After those 62 weeks the Messiah [Anointed One] will be cut off and will have nothing. The people of the coming prince will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come with a flood, and until the end there will be war; desolations are decreed.
- It's not clear whether it is the 'people of Trump' or the 'people of Biden' (or both in a civil war) are going to destroy the 'city' (which if we go by Revelation 17:18, the USA is Mystery Babylon, the 'city' that rules the world).
- (And remember that God calls the faithful to destroy wicked Babylon in Revelation 18:4-8 - this is one extrapolated meaning of Daniel 9:26 because Jesus is a 'coming prince' and Christians are the 'people of the prince to come'.)
- It's not clear to me whether 'after 62 weeks' means exactly on Oct 30, 2020 or on election day Nov 3, 2020. Does it mean that Trump is killed on that day (getting his mortal head wound?)

friend of · Sep 30, 2020

I mean, at least he's not a pedophile.

parousia70 · Sep 30, 2020

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:
is the lawless one the same as the antichrist then?

Halbhh said:
Yes this seems so.

By what Measure?
1st and 2nd John Give us the only explicit definition of actichrist found in scripture.

Which of the the attributes of antichrist, that the 4 passages in those chapters explicitly teach of, are applicable to Paul's Man of Sin?

Maria Billingsley · Sep 30, 2020

ZNP said:
8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.

It seems to me Donald Trump is being revealed, whether his Tax returns, or his family members writing tell all books, or even close associates. His childish debate, allegations he paid someone to take the SAT for him, etc.

"He’s done": George Conway predicts Trump will wind up "bankrupt" and a "criminal defendant"

Mr. Trump is really not that important in the scheme of world history. I believe Jesus Christ of Nazareth was speaking to those from His day about events to come during their lifetime. He did say that some of them will not die before the end of the age and that the lawless man will be revealed to all during that time. Be blessed.

Oseas · Sep 30, 2020

ZNP said:
8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.
It seems to me Donald Trump is being revealed, whether his Tax returns, or his family members writing tell all books, or even close associates. His childish debate, allegations he paid someone to take the SAT for him, etc.

"He’s done": George Conway predicts Trump will wind up "bankrupt" and a "criminal defendant"

Oh no, that man has nothing to do with 2 Thessalonians 2:v.8, no, absolutely no, but he has with Revelation 6:v.3-4.
Get ready.

klutedavid · Sep 30, 2020

parousia70 said:
By what Measure?
1st and 2nd John Give us the only explicit definition of actichrist found in scripture.

Which of the the attributes of antichrist, that the 4 passages in those chapters explicitly teach of, are applicable to Paul's Man of Sin?

Nevertheless, early Christians tended to emphasize the coming of the one great Antichrist. The Revelation to John refers to this figure as “the Beast from the Abyss” (11:7) and “the Beast from the Sea” (13:1). In the most sustained account of his appearance, II Thessalonians 2:1-12, he is called “the man of sin” and “son of perdition.” He will come at a time of a general apostasy, deceive people with signs and wonders, sit in the temple of God, and claim to be God himself. Finally, he will be defeated by Jesus, who will destroy him by “the spirit of his mouth” and “the brightness of his coming” (2:8). (Britannica.com)

ZNP · Sep 30, 2020

Moderator Chris Wallace on the wild presidential debate: 'It was revealing'

"Obviously It was not the debate I had planned for, and to that degree I was disappointed," Wallace, 72, said Wednesday in a telephone interview with The Times. "I think debates are about revealing what [the candidates] think. You certainly gained an insight into Donald Trump and what he's thinking and where he wants to take the country and how he wants to take the country there. To that degree I thought it was a success. It may not have been pretty, but it was revealing."

ZNP · Sep 30, 2020

I have been wondering what would happen if the rapture took place in the month of October? With those Christians taken up what would happen to the protests, would lawlessness increase? What would happen with the election without those people voting, would that completely change the entire equation? What about the Christians that are left behind particularly clergy and priests, would they be ashamed? Would it cause those who are left behind to move into one of two camps, those that repent to the Lord and those that realize their time is short and take the brakes off of their lawlessness. This would not just be in the US but worldwide. How would the fake news respond? I don't see the fake news telling people that the rapture indicates the Lord is coming back and will judge this world, so if they are lying wouldn't everyone know that the news is a total lie. There would be those who would justify it as a way to avoid panic and try to help the economy. I think it is undeniable that this event would completely change all economic forecasts. Businesses would be thrown into chaos, tax revenue would be thrown into chaos, sales forecasts would immediately take a very big hit, it would be devastating on so many levels.

So what else is actually restraining Trump from just stealing the election? From all we know he is on the verge of bankruptcy, it is Russia that is supporting him, and no doubt they are doing that because he is president. He cannot afford to lose, if that is the case now how much more after the rapture. So then, what is it that restrains the President, it is the States. Our system is a balance of power between federal and state. So if Trump could bankrupt the States he would remove that which is restraining him right now. Especially if he just focused on a few Democratic states. We already see him threatening to do that now, how much more if this were after the rapture and that which is restraining evil were taken away? It would be like a dam breaking.

Mark Quayle · Sep 30, 2020

ZNP said:
"He’s done": George Conway predicts Trump will wind up "bankrupt" and a "criminal defendant"

How many times has this been predicted and .....nothing.....?

DamianWarS · Sep 30, 2020

ZNP said:
8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.

It seems to me Donald Trump is being revealed, whether his Tax returns, or his family members writing tell all books, or even close associates. His childish debate, allegations he paid someone to take the SAT for him, etc.

"He’s done": George Conway predicts Trump will wind up "bankrupt" and a "criminal defendant"

He may be exposed but him and a long line of lawless others before him too. Trump is not exactly someone I identify with for this passage about the coming of Christ. Only a certain group of Americans are fooled, the rest of the world thinks he exposes himself every time he speaks through his outlandish absurdity (either that or they just don't care). If I say I'm a flying carrot I don't really need to be exposed because it's implicit in my crazy. Trump certainly is arrogant enough to equate himself with God but it's in a Trump vacuum where reality is not a factor and even if he is re-elected its a tethered power for another 4 years then we can finally stop talking about him and get on with life.

SeventyOne · Sep 30, 2020

ZNP said:
8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.

It seems to me Donald Trump is being revealed, whether his Tax returns, or his family members writing tell all books, or even close associates. His childish debate, allegations he paid someone to take the SAT for him, etc.

"He’s done": George Conway predicts Trump will wind up "bankrupt" and a "criminal defendant"

Revelation tells us the AC comes from pit. It doesn't matter how many haters hate both Trump and Obama, neither are the coming beast.

throughfiierytrial · Sep 30, 2020

ZNP said:
8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.

It seems to me Donald Trump is being revealed, whether his Tax returns, or his family members writing tell all books, or even close associates. His childish debate, allegations he paid someone to take the SAT for him, etc.

"He’s done": George Conway predicts Trump will wind up "bankrupt" and a "criminal defendant"

This man of lawlessness topic is a much more serious topic than what you present here. Lawlessness as demonstrated in riots, those who recently attempted a coup on the government along with all the liars and perjurers all demonstrate rebellion and lawless *acts*. The man of lawlessness is Satan himself and is the *force* at work within these dark and unbelieving hearts. They follow the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. (from Ephesians 2:2)
Thankfully many of the secret and sinful acts of the left have come to light and as for this God's Word again stands as pure Truth...
Psalm 18:25-27:
To the faithful you show yourself faithful,
to the blameless you show yourself blameless,
to the pure you show yourself pure,
but to the crooked you show yourself shrewd.
You save the humble
but bring low those whose eyes are haughty ---NIV84

(Says it ALL!)

5thKingdom · Sep 30, 2020

ZNP said:
It seems to me Donald Trump is being revealed, whether his Tax returns, or his family members writing tell all books, or even close associates. His childish debate, allegations he paid someone to take the SAT for him, etc.

"He’s done": George Conway predicts Trump will wind up "bankrupt" and a "criminal defendant"

2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be
revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already
work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of
the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the
Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy
with the brightness of his coming:9 Even him, whose coming
is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying
wonders,

Since the passage above reveals that the Holy Spirit "who now
letteth will let, UNTIL HE BE TAKEN OUT OF THE WAY. And then
shall that Wicked be revealed...."

Are you suggesting the Holy Spirit has been "taken out of h
the way"? Since that must happen BEFORE the Man of Sin
is revealed.

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5thKingdom · Sep 30, 2020

throughfireytrial said:
This man of lawlessness topic is a much more serious topic than what you present here. Lawlessness as demonstrated in riots, those who recently attempted a coup on the government along with all the liars and perjurers all demonstrate rebellion and lawless *acts*. The man of lawlessness is Satan himself and is the *force* at work within these dark and unbelieving hearts. They follow the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. (from Ephesians 2:2)
Thankfully many of the secret and sinful acts of the left have come to light and as for this God's Word again stands as pure Truth...
Psalm 18:25-27:
To the faithful you show yourself faithful,
to the blameless you show yourself blameless,
to the pure you show yourself pure,
but to the crooked you show yourself shrewd.
You save the humble
but bring low those whose eyes are haughty ---NIV84

(Says it ALL!)

The Man of Sin is not Satan... he is empowered by Satan
and is commonly called the Antichrist or the (second) "Beast"
in Rev... or the "Little Horn" in Danel

Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

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5thKingdom · Sep 30, 2020

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:
is the lawless one the same as the antichrist then?

Yes the lawless one or the Man of Sin of 2thess
is the same person as the "Little Horn" of Dan 7
and the same person as the "Beast" of Rev 13:2
------
He gets his power and "seat" (rule) and authority from
the Dragon - who obviously is Satan. Satan is a spirit and
he has a chief emissary on earth who is a man.

In Dan 7:24-25 the Last Saints are RULED by this man
In Rev 17:12-17 the Last Saints give their KINGDOM to this Beast
In Mat 25:1-13 the Last Saints "went forth" following this Antichrist

There are over TWO DOZEN passages talking about the RULE
of this Antichrist over the Last Saints. As you would expect, for
an EVENT this important, the Bible addresses it in many passages.

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5thKingdom · Sep 30, 2020

Dave G. said:
I can't speak for Douggg but I doubt it personally. Not enough nations on board yet. It could be a foreshadow of things to come..... Mystery Babylon the great harlot has to go down too, in an hour right ( this is not the old Babylon) ? Something is going to happen in the world that kicks off NWO, AntiChrist, the mark etc. Unless you're preterist that is, then all this went down centuries ago not to be repeated.

Mystery Babylon is Satan's Kingdom throughout history.
It is destroyed when the Revelation Beast is destroyed.

Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

Gregory Thompson · Oct 1, 2020

ZNP said:
8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.

It seems to me Donald Trump is being revealed, whether his Tax returns, or his family members writing tell all books, or even close associates. His childish debate, allegations he paid someone to take the SAT for him, etc.

"He’s done": George Conway predicts Trump will wind up "bankrupt" and a "criminal defendant"

To think he became president to avoid paying taxes just a little longer ...

Not in the prophecy but would make a funny movie.

Scott Husted · Oct 1, 2020

ZNP said:
8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.

It seems to me Donald Trump is being revealed, whether his Tax returns, or his family members writing tell all books, or even close associates. His childish debate, allegations he paid someone to take the SAT for him, etc.

"He’s done": George Conway predicts Trump will wind up "bankrupt" and a "criminal defendant"

So Trump is the beast and Conway a prophet ...

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