Actually Assessing the Debate

KCfromNC said:

There was also the fact that SARS didn't kill hundreds of thousands of Americans and shut down the economy. Donald's response to covid looks particularly bad by comparison. Which makes it weird Donald invited the comparison during the debate.

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Well the first SARS was Bush II; H1N1?

Sparagmos said:

Yes, Trump thinks that conservative judges will automatically side with him. That’s ridiculous and just a symptom of his Narcissism. Mitch McConnell et al may carry his water but the Supreme Court has no need to.

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This brings up an interesting point.
If Barrett is rammed through before the election, GOP loyalist can reward President Trump with their vote...or they might figure they got what they wanted outta him and return to sanity?

Awwe. Even Fox and Friends are disappointed

https://twitter.com/revrrlewis/status/1311254027141865472

JohnDB said:

Citations please

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Sure, learn about Bob Kroll the police union chief in Minneapolis for starters..

How Police Unions Became Such Powerful Opponents to Reform Efforts

GoldenBoy89 said:

I hear this 47 year career line often and I’m always left wondering just what do people think one single senator could have done to fix any of the problems this country has faced or ignored over the past 50 years.

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Well, quite a few Senators and the like have been the driving force behind some very important, even groundbreaking, legislation at various times in their careers. And they didn't serve as long as Biden has.

His record is thin, no matter how his friends try to spin the matter. If you notice, Joe Biden himself, when asked about it, relies on "But I was at Obama's side when he did whatever he did!"

Do you remember this comment from earlier in this very thread that was supposed to show Biden as a real mover and shaker?

NxNW said:

As Vice President during the raid, he certainly gets credit for being in the administration that made it happen. You can even see him in the Situation Room photo.

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Nuff said.

Albion said:

Well, quite a few Senators and the like have been the driving force behind some very important, even groundbreaking, legislation at various times in their careers. And they didn't serve as long as Biden has.

His record is thin, no matter how his friends try to spin the matter.

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Trump’s contribution to America was sending companies bankrupt, getting sued for fraud, cheating on his wives and losing his fathers fortune, so hearing Republicans preach about qualifications for the Presidency is pretty hilarious. You guys have lowered the bar so far that simply not being as bad as Trump is basically good enough.

At least Trump didn't yell shut up to Biden.

Kentonio said:

Trump’s contribution to America was sending companies bankrupt, getting sued for fraud, cheating on his wives and losing his fathers fortune, so hearing Republicans preach about qualifications for the Presidency is pretty hilarious. You guys have lowered the bar so far that simply not being as bad as Trump is basically good enough.

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What he does in his personal life has nothing to do with his position as president just as it has nothing to do with the previous presidents lives in the white house. Cast the first stone. Its a wonder that so many people believe that a president is a god and sinless.

alllivesmatter said:

At least Trump didn't yell shut up to Biden.

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Biden wasn't the one that couldn't keep his mouth shut.

Albion said:

Well, quite a few Senators and the like have been the driving force behind some very important, even groundbreaking, legislation at various times in their careers. And they didn't serve as long as Biden has.

His record is thin, no matter how his friends try to spin the matter. If you notice, Joe Biden himself, when asked about it, relies on "But I was at Obama's side when he did whatever he did!"

Do you remember this comment from earlier in this very thread that was supposed to show Biden as a real mover and shaker?

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Sure but the idea that his time in government is somehow a mark against him is just not much of a point at all.

That's the argument Trump is going with here. His 47 months vs Biden's 47 years line. That he got more done in less time but, the reality is the two jobs are entirely different from each other. The presidency comes with a much more dynamic set of priorities and duties that any Senator or even a Vice President simply does not have to deal with, even with a 50 year career, they just don't do as much or as many different things individually as any president does in one term. A Senator mostly just votes as a member of a 100 person body. A Vice President is really a mostly ceremonial position, he doesn't really do much in terms of exercising legal power besides waiting for the president to die or travel to meet with foreign dignitaries in place of the president when he can't go.

Kentonio said:

Give me just one reason why a police officer would resist the introduction of body cameras.

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Accountability when things go...awry...

alllivesmatter said:

At least Trump didn't yell shut up to Biden.

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He was too busy interrupting to do so.

Skreeper said:

Both sides agreed to basic rules prior to the debate. Trump needs to calm down and let his opponent speak otherwise he just comes across as a whining manchild who is afraid of what Biden might say.

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I agree Trump made a mistake, when Biden started rambling incoherently Trump should have let Biden ramble on. This would have worked in Trump's favor, but instead Trump cut Biden off by opening his mouth.

GoldenBoy89 said:

Sure but the idea that his time in government is somehow a mark against him is just not much of a point at all.

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I don't think that him having been in office for so long was used against him.

That he was there so long AND accomplished little IS an issue.

Skreeper said:

The job of a moderator during the debate is to ask questions and to make sure both sides have equal time and opportunity to answer the questions. As Trump seemed incapable of just being silent for 2 minutes, Wallace had to shut him down which was his job as moderator.

Both sides agreed to basic rules prior to the debate. Trump needs to calm down and let his opponent speak otherwise he just comes across as a whining manchild who is afraid of what Biden might say.

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I sort of agree, but I don't see how people are pinning this on Wallace. I don't think Wallace's moderation qua interruptions was all that bad. It wasn't effective, but what would have been effective? Should he have tried to interrupt Trump and speak over Trump to somehow "force" Trump to quiet down with sheer strength? He actually tried that a few times and of course it didn't work. What was Wallace supposed to do?

I think part of the puzzle is easy: for the first 2 minute opening statements the opponent's microphone should be turned off. Simple. But after those first 4 minutes of each section there are no easy answers. If microphones were micromanaged during the open discussion portion each side would become enraged and call "bias" and "foul."

Albion said:

I don't think that him having been in office for so long was used against him.

That he was there so long AND accomplished little IS an issue.

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Yes and what was he supposed to have accomplished? What is an acceptable number of accomplishments a candidate should have prerequisite to holding office? If you don’t have a specific number that’s the cutoff then just saying “too little” is not enough.

alllivesmatter said:

At least Trump didn't yell shut up to Biden.

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He wouldn't have had to if Trump hadn't kept interrupting and inveighing constantly.

johneb said:

I agree Trump made a mistake, when Biden started rambling incoherently Trump should have let Biden ramble on. This would have worked in Trump's favor, but instead Trump cut Biden off by opening his mouth.

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We all know that trump can't go more than a few minutes without needing to hear his own voice.

He has the bestest words, after all. Great words. He knows words. He has the bestest words. Just ask him.

Trump just shouted over everything with lie after lie, and disgusting personal attacks against Biden and his children. Absolutely disgusting. I would call it childish and garbage, but I wouldn't want to insult children and rubbish.

JohnDB said:

Just about everyone who isn't a criminal has a positive relationship with police officers...they go to church with us...they are our neighbors. They come over for barbeque...

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And they murder us in our sleep and plant evidence and lie about it.

We see the lack of support for Biden by them as "something is wrong".

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Biden is correct to oppose police brutality. If you support it, that's your mistake.