What he really thinks: Trump mocks Christians, calls them "fools" and "schmucks"

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What's so hard to believe about these claims? Not only do I not find it hard to believe he said them, I wouldn't disagree with them if he did. And I attend church regularly.
It is not about what I believe/don't believe but accepting what some person I don't know claims another person said.
Visualize this scenario. In a courtroom a witness says "'X' said a terrible thing." Will the jury convict or will the testimony be thrown out as hearsay?


Is what you said above what you said below?
If you say your neighbor said, "I don't like that guy who lives up the street." and you repeat that to the police, is that second-hand rumor and innuendo?
Not second hand you are stating what another person said to you. But it says nothing about the third person, whom "neighbor" said he doesn't like.
 
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But many of his Christian supporters are after "revenge," too. Revenge for being deprived of their privileged position in the culture; revenge for being called deplorable. That's why they adulate Trump.

I declare Trump King of the Tares.
 
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Do you agree with Trump about the Laying On of Hands?

I would want context as to just what form of Laying on of Hands. Laying on hands as a ritual of blessing is rather different than Laying on of hands as a bit of Christian magic.
 
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Let's take this for instance (S word removed from quote):

Later that day, Cohen writes, he met up with Trump in his office.

"Can you believe that bulls: Trump said of the laying on of hands. "Can you believe that people believe that bull."


What is he responding to there? The article shows nothing. As far as anyone knows Trump is 100% correct in his acessment.
It says right there "Trump said of the laying on of hands". That's the context. What do you mean "the article shows nothing"? It's in black and white.

You say:

there is no other context that can change the conclusion of the article,

Are you kidding!?
No, I am not kidding. What part of this did you not understand or agree with?

You are basically saying context doesn't matter, so between that and the fact the article offers no context at all, hence basically only tells half the story, the article is a complete joke.
No, that is not what I am "basically saying". It's not at all what I'm saying. I did not say context doesn't matter. I did not say the article offers no context at all. YOU are saying that. And YOU are wrong in saying that.

Feel free to argue against what I have said but don't make up complete lies and about what I said so that you can then argue against what you wish I had said.

Amazing how half a story is all some people need, or better said, all some people "want".
Yeah, I think that every time I listen to a Trump supporter.
 
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Some folks are ready/anxious to believe anything negative about Trump. Second/third hand rumor and innuendo.
Cohen would be first hand. And Trumps own published words are indisputable. Cohen could be lying, but nothing we’ve seen from Trump indicates he is remotely religious.
 
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It is not about what I believe/don't believe but accepting what some person I don't know claims another person said.
The OP is asking what you believe.
Not second hand you are stating what another person said to you.
Exactly. It's not second or third hand knowledge, hearsay, or inuendo.
Michael Cohen, in his book says he heard what Trump said and knew what he was referring to, he describes it.

The only thing that is left to you is to decide whether you believe Cohn is being truthful or not.
Personally, I don't know if he is or not. But if he isn't I wonder why he isn't being sued for slander because this isn't some little thing.
 
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says right there "Trump said of the laying on of hands". That's the context. What do you mean "the article shows nothing"? It's in black and white.

Please quote what exactly about laying on of hands Trump eplied too.
 
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I would want context as to just what form of Laying on of Hands. Laying on hands as a ritual of blessing is rather different than Laying on of hands as a bit of Christian magic.
But many Christians devoutly believe in that "magic." Calling it BS is definitely anti-Christian.
 
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Let's take this for instance

"Can you believe that bulls: Trump said of the laying on of hands. "Can you believe that people believe that bull."


What is he responding to there? The article shows nothing.

It's right there in what you quoted.

How often have you seen Trump fold his hands in prayer?
Look to the sky soulfully for guidance?
Say grace at a meal?
Quote scripture?
Give anyone a blessing of any sort, even an ironic 'bless your heart'?

Much less laying on hands or speaking in tongues or handling snakes.

Whatever his beliefs, the dude is as secular as I am. I know he's really good at hiding it, the way he goes around banging inappropriate contentstars and using a golden toilet.
 
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Please quote what exactly about laying on of hands Trump eplied too.

It's not a reply, it's an observation. He's reacting like most people who don't handle snakes or speak in tongues react to people handling snakes or speaking in tongues.

'Can you believe they are into that nonsense?'
 
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But many Christians devoutly believe in that "magic." Calling it BS is definitely anti-Christian.

Many Christians think the Earth is flat.
Many Christians are part of snake handling groups.
Many Christians believe in name it and claim it.

Many Chrsitians believe all sorts of things. Calling out one of those is not anti-Christian. It is just calling out the specific thing.

Not that I expect anything by Trump was that.
 
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I don't believe he said it. But let's say he did? How does that negate the success of his policies? And what's our alternative? That scumbag, Biden? Do you really think he holds us in any higher regard?
Welcome to the CF forums!
Please don’t call people “scumbags”, thanks.
 
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Much less laying on hands or speaking in tongues or handling snakes.
Laying hands on someone when you pray for them is very common and has nothing to do with speaking in tongues. To think that handlings snakes is within any of these preacher's [at the White House] teachings is so far out of line that it's ridiculous.
 
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Many Christians think the Earth is flat.
Many Christians are part of snake handling groups.
Many Christians believe in name it and claim it.

Many Chrsitians believe all sorts of things. Calling out one of those is not anti-Christian. It is just calling out the specific thing.

Not that I expect anything by Trump was that.
Not so many compared to Christians as a whole. But a substantial majority believe in what you call "magic." It is an essential part of their faith whether it is real or not and it is a grotesque insult at best to openly refer to it as BS. You certainly wouldn't get away with it here on CF.
 
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It's not a reply, it's an observation. He's reacting like most people who don't handle snakes or speak in tongues react to people handling snakes or speaking in tongues.

'Can you believe they are into that nonsense?'

Are you 100% certian it's not a reply to someting that was not disclosed?

I'm not.
 
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Laying hands on someone when you pray for them is very common and has nothing to do with speaking in tongues. To think that handlings snakes is within any of these preacher's [at the White House] teachings is so far out of line that it's ridiculous.

I didn't mean to imply they were equivalent, but more on a sliding scale. I would say laying on hands is far rarer than saying grace, but far more common than handling snakes.

Trump doesn't seem to do any of these things, even the most common of them like saying grace or quoting scripture or praying of his own accord (as opposed to being led in a group like these events). At the least, we can say that his Christian faith is not a very demonstrative one. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
 
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Please quote what exactly about laying on of hands Trump eplied too.


The context is there. Don't need more context to see it is clearly a derogatory statement. To evangelical leaders.
Why does he meet them if he mocks them like that? Oh to pretend he cares, you say...
 
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Please quote what exactly about laying on of hands Trump eplied too.
According to the quote it was to the act of laying on of hands, not any specific aspect of it. It's simple reading comprehension. You're just looking for an "out" for Trump, "Oh, he MEANT this, he MEANT that,..." blah blah blah nonsense. Take the story for what it is saying, that's it. You want to disagree that's fine but searching for something else, some other detail that isn't there at all isn't going to change the fact it's not there and it doesn't NEED to be there either.
 
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I would want context as to just what form of Laying on of Hands. Laying on hands as a ritual of blessing is rather different than Laying on of hands as a bit of Christian magic.
Doesn't matter. I am a Christian who doesn't believe there is any magical or supernatural aspect to the Laying on of Hands, I see it as entirely symbolic (although in the Bible for the first occurrences it did have a supernatural element).

Nonetheless, when I see Christians today who believe in that magical/supernatural element to the Laying on of Hands I would still NEVER mock the ritual even when they do it because it is a Christian ritual. Even though I disagree 100% with them about the supernatural aspect I don't mock or belittle the ritual or their doing it in any way.

Only someone who thinks Christianity is worthy of mockery and belittling would do that. And Trump did that.
 
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