The Star of Bethlehem – Exploring the evidence about the star that marked history
didnt see anything in there about Dec 25 as His birthday...the star was later as He was toddler...but thanks?
The fact that we don't have a date is merely because birthdays were not important at the time,
EXACTLY...and only later did it become popular...is why saying no thanks to Christmas is saying no thanks to how other nations worship their gods...
and nobody but Mary and Joseph were there.
Mary was there at the cross she could have reminded John about His birthday if it was important to know...either she did and John did not or she did not nor did John try to find out...
Shepherds too prolly have a good memory of angels appearing to them...told others etc...but no record of their gospel epistles with dates of angel appearances...
Only Luke had any information on the actual birth of Christ.
and yet STILL NOT important enough to establish the date...or BEGIN A NEW TRADITION OF CELEBRATING IT...so so far we have parents who DID NOT and now Luke...so WHO ELSE from that time DID NOT make an effort to give infant baby Jesus a party? Oh HE HIMSELF DID NOT...
Just like He did NOT poise for a portrait to be made of Himself by a Roman artisan “for the comfort of My people later in times of trouble to come... I must poise for pictures to usher in an economy of images for contemplation”
1159 The sacred image, the liturgical icon, principally represents Christ. It cannot represent the invisible and incomprehensible God, but the incarnation of the Son of God has ushered in a new "economy" of images:
Previously God, who has neither a body nor a face, absolutely could not be represented by an image. But now that he has made himself visible in the flesh and has lived with men, I can make an image of what I have seen of God . . . and contemplate the glory of the Lord, his face unveiled.
Catechism of the Catholic Church - Celebrating the Church's liturgy
NO HE DID NOT sit for a portrait...He could have...the relics and images providing a fortune for sure...errr I mean for joy, encouraging faith, and comforting contemplation...
Anyway, it does not speak volumes at all. Most arguments from silence don't.
BINGO and is WHY it should be avoided this pageantry and pomp...as what thunders in return is MAKE NO IMAGE and NO IDOLATRY and I AM A JEALOUS GOD...HATING ABOMINATIONS such as this very pomp and pageantry because they defile and corrupt and counterfeit in leading His away from Him...
Just read the OT to see how often they strayed from Him...
That we celebrate it now is based on Sacred Tradition, to be sure,
yes peer pressure is a real thing...
but Sacred Tradition is as important as Sacred Scripture.
OBVIOUSLY NOT to the ones that introduced NEW TRADITIONS to that which did NOT have them before...the tradition prior was NO BIRTHDAYS but those introducing it did NOT feel that historical fact SACRED...or TRADITION enough...lol
John told us that if he could write down everything Christ did and said, all the books in the world couldn't hold it.
is this where all the good stuff is then is it? The “go ahead change times and Laws to counter My Father’s will ...make images...use rosaries to pray repetitions...feel free to go CONTRARY to prior teaching and tradition with a new WAY...”?
All that must be in those secret vaults under Peter’s SEAT that some claim is empty NOW and BECAUSE of TOO MUCH NEW TRADITION...LOL
As even now there is a growing and profound desire to go back to prior tradition...not too far back though that would be too Jewish...just back to Latin...lol
But let me ask you...why is it wrong to celebrate His birth?
it ADDS to the WORD maybe? It remains an unknown? Thus would be FALSE worship...Again what WAS is good enough...If He didn’t change it...then it ain’t worth it...had it being edifying He would have installed it like footwashing...or sleeping on boat crossings...lol
is not even top of my list...why add to what is perfect and enough...the gospel is enough...and not just for us anyway but to share with others...”teaching all to observe ALL that I have commanded” did NOT include so much of what is done today...and what IS done today does NOT include what He commanded we observe and teach...
we can celebrate His birthday any day...or that He became incarnate...but NOT with things that OPPOSE THE DEFAULT CODE...and are thus considered and ABOMINATION...we were MADE IN HIS IMAGE and there are factory settings
Violating those since Eve has ONLY brought misery...she added to the Word “do not touch” and deceived herself...CURSED is any who ADD...do NOT corrupt yourselves by making images...
Do you realize how many pagans were converted to Catholicism?
converted to WHAT? Him His way or a corporation representing Him falsely...many are converted into Muslim or Buddha or Mormon or what else? And so? You would jump off a bridge if everybody was doing it? lol
It is about being accurate and authentic...so many concerned members are horrified their faith is invalid as the improper words were uttered by a tipsy priest...so minor deviation has consequences...
happily and gratefully He judges according to the heart and light received and MANY will be saved DESPITE clerical or ecclesiastical errors...but why NOT reform? Repent return to Him His WAYS...
Do you realize that we decided not to demand that Gentiles become Jews before they became Christian?
right...but a citizen of Israel no less and NOT of ROME...with a circumcised heart and with inner Jew Christlike mind...to match branches that were NOT cut off from the trunk and root...NOT CREATE A WHOLE NEW FRUIT
Even AFTER the Jerusalem council of Acts 15 Romans were STILL annoyed by Jews teaching customs NOT lawful for Romans to receive or observe Acts 16:21...you think that was because it was “celebrate Sundays...eat more Ham?”
But what happens when we introduce Christ to anything?
anything? You can do that? You have valid powers for that holy making thingy of things? Think about what you are saying...historically yes they baptized Saturn’s temple and made it theirs...baptized many things INTO their faith...recently Pachamama the Amazonian fertility goddess was another bridge too far for some...
We are only asked to remember to KEEP something He made HOLY...we are not asked to MAKE something Holy...
For example, the waters of the earth became blessed because Christ was baptized in the Jordan.
really? Sewage water drowning water flooding water dried up waters all blessed Holy now because He immersed? For what purpose the washing of sins? To drink? What do you mean with such a statement? Does it baptize the beast having seven heads and 10 horns rising up out of the water...
Anything we introduce Christ to makes it holy.
wow...exactly idolatry...yet isn’t the teaching that only the priest has power to pull Him down or? Into the bread water and wine or?
But yes yes Figurines make homes holy yes?
Say a prayer do a ritual make a payment and now anything is holy...33 nails of the cross were sold throughout Europe...
And yet what He made Holy is NOT Remembered...the irony...
I wished to demonstrate by a parable closer to your reality assuming you are male have wife and graduated kindergarten...where you might be made jealous that she was doing what you did NOT ask for and DOING what you asked her NOT TO...
Where she celebrated your kindergarten graduation with a party in the arms of another man all dressed up or down for him...”for YOU” while NOT doing what you asked of her “be faithful and not silly or wasteful with meaningless partying”
Equating that we celebrate His birthday which He did NOT ask for...REJECTING His demands we not provoke His jealousy
Actually, that's wrong. The made the golden calf so that they could worship it, calling it their god.
you might be in denial about what occurs...but I have spoken with Buddhists Hindu Muslims Satanists Wiccans regular people...NONE when pressed claim the portraying thing IS what it represents....NONE
ALL explain it as:
“Indeed, "the honor rendered to an image passes to its prototype," and "whoever venerates an image venerates the person portrayed in it." The honor paid to sacred images is a "respectful veneration," not the adoration due to God alone:
Religious worship is not directed to images in themselves, considered as mere things, but under their distinctive aspect as images leading us on to God incarnate. the movement toward the image does not terminate in it as image, but tends toward that whose image it is.”
Catechism of the Catholic Church - IntraText
Children are smart enough to understand the photo is NOT the real person...
see? so it was NOT actually but a representation...
what they decided was going to be their god.
having only heard the prohibition once...they grew restless at Moses’ delayed return even thinking he was dead...
They did NOT decide on a NEW god but ANOTHER WAY of worshipping the God that brought them out...
Just like adding to our worship birthday parties for Jesus...despite the curse of ADDING to the Word...and the many many examples of it corrupting the people...
