The extreme Left really does want to abolish the police

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Your left-leaning source doesn't surprise me. They protect their own.
The source is the Center for Strategic and International Studies. They aren’t left-leaning. Feel free to dispute their research.
 
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In 20 years? Why that long?
I'll show you how many have died, according to Forbes, as of June 8th due to the meltdowns we're currently talking about. As of then, it was 19.
14 Days Of Protests, 19 Dead

I'll try to get some information on other riots in the name of "Say his/her name" that have occurred since then.


Let's see. Javar Harrell was shot and killed during an argument with Tyjon Hites in a parking lot no where near any protests

David Patrick Underwood was killed by Steven Carrillo a member of the right wing group "Boogaloo"

Robert Forbes was run down by a vehicle driven by white supremacist Timothy Keith Moore

Marvin Francois was killed in a car jacking

Italia Kelly was killed by a freind Parker Marlin Belz who said he shot her at a protest so he wouldn't be implicated.

wait. what was this list of people supposed to show again?
 
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When confronted with the "defund the police" argument we keep hearing from those on the extreme Left, they usually respond with, "Oh, we don't actually want to defund them or eliminate them, but rather to divert some of the funding they get to other programs". That's just more manipulation of the English language they've been using since the beginning.

Now let's listen to those who are being a little more honest about their intentions:

Opinion | Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish the Police

Or we can listen to Francesca Hong who is running for Wisconsin State Assembly:

"I think there needs to be an understanding that calling for an abolishing of police is a larger vision," Hong said. "How we get there is going to depend on local communities and local municipalities bringing more community control."
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Who really cares? The Extreme left is a very tiny group. Nobody is worried about them. The extreme Right is a much larger and more dangerous group.
 
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In the private world, it works like this:. you don't do your job, you get laid off. Or even terminated for cause. Doesn't matter if your job is essential--you're not doing it, so you get let go.

In the public sector it's not so simple. Police may not be doing their jobs (and in fact are doing an awful lot of stuff that is not), but they're unionized, and they have "rights". They're special.
 
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First, Fascism is not National Socialism, even though there are some similarities.

And, second, Fascism isn't "far-right" either.

It is a pity that people persist in thinking of political movements in terms of that old straight-line graph while, at the same time, most people seem to realize that the circular or horseshoe-shaped or quadrant models are more correct. If these were used to address what we are talking about here, it would be obvious that Hitler and Mussolini were anything but "far-right."

Now, as to Hitler being a verbal trickster, yes, most people recognize that, but neither does it mean that everything he preached and (perhaps more important) everything he did was not Socialism. It adds up to a form of Socialism, although not identical to Marxist Socialism.
In which we see the American opinionator school a German person of the German person’s own country’s history...
 
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No, it's just that the Socialists have done their best to disguise their true intentions with moderate language. And it often works. Consider how often someone writes on one of these threads that if our society has public schools or a post office, "that's Socialism!" :doh:


That's right. We all know socialism is when the government creates an incentive for people to send money to private corporations in exchange for goods and services.
 
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Your left-leaning source doesn't surprise me. They protect their own.
Left-leaning, or far-left? I thought the spin was that the thread was making a distinction between the two, and yet here we have a transparent attempt to conflate them.
 
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According to whom? No offense, but you do not strike me as someone who has in depth knowledge of the inner workings of "the extreme left". It would be like me claiming to know the mindset of orthodox Jews.
No offense taken. I have several siblings who have served and are serving in the military. Including one in the Marine Corps. I also have numerous cousins who are "extreme left" activists. I may not know the inner working of the extreme left that you may be. But I know the inner working of the military more than most. So I can confidently tell you that you would be hard pressed to find antifa members in the armed forces. To your example of orthodox Jews, you don't have to be Orthodox Jew to know you are not likely to find one in your Greek Eastern Orthodox church.
 
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Ok... so if each individual on the “extreme left” is so resistant to being told what to do, how could they ever be organized enough to be a threat?
How organized did Timothy McVeigh have to be to blow up the federal building on Oklahoma City? How organized did Antifa have to be to take over several city blocks in Seattle. How organized did BLM extremists have to be to assassinate or attempt to assaninate police officers? How organized did the looters and rioters have to be to cause literally billions of dollars of damage in several cities like Chicago, Portland, New York, Minneapolis, Los Angeles, etc? The mob doesn't need "organization" to cause catastrophic damage. They just need to be angry and mindless.
 
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George W. Bush isn't currently holding office. Is he no longer a republican?

They are in the republican party. deal with it.
What does George W. Bush have to do with Neo-Nazis? Shall we discuss the Democratic Party and their relationship with slavery, Jim Crow, and the KKK?
 
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How organized did Timothy McVeigh have to be to blow up the federal building on Oklahoma City? How organized did Antifa have to be to take over several city blocks in Seattle. How organized did BLM extremists have to be to assassinate or attempt to assaninate police officers? How organized did the looters and rioters have to be to cause literally billions of dollars of damage in several cities lie Chicago, Portland, New York, Minneapolis, Los Angeles, etc? The mob doesn't need "organization" to cause catastrophic damage. They just need to be angry and mindless.

One of these isn't like the other. McVeigh did everything in secret. They can easily spot who's perpetuating the crimes among Antifa and such. And they are more chaotic in general. And they have indeed tried arresting them. The problem is the DAs in these cities kept letting them off. It was smart of Trump to deputize the Portland police, so they can make federal arrests instead. This way the charges bypass the DA. This has somewhat slowed down the intensity of the riots. The only reason they were able to get away with their behavior at first was lack of fear of anyone prosecuting them. Not that they were organized.
 
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How organized did Timothy McVeigh have to be to blow up the federal building on Oklahoma City? How organized did Antifa have to be to take over several city blocks in Seattle. How organized did BLM extremists have to be to assassinate or attempt to assaninate police officers? How organized did the looters and rioters have to be to cause literally billions of dollars of damage in several cities lie Chicago, Portland, New York, Minneapolis, Los Angeles, etc? The mob doesn't need "organization" to cause catastrophic damage. They just need to be angry and mindless.
Here we go with the wild, exaggerated claims. Get real.
 
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The source is the Center for Strategic and International Studies. They aren’t left-leaning. Feel free to dispute their research.
Over the past fifteen years, employees of the Center for Strategic and International Studies contributed to the two political parties as shown below and as reported by US News:

Center for Strategic and International Studies

To Republicans 12.30% of contributions

To Democrats 83.80% of contributions
 
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Here we go with the wild, exaggerated claims. Get real.
Nothing I stated was exaggerated. It is all documented to be true. Furthermore, in the thread titled "Portland Mayor unleashes police", you are denying that BLM, or the group of protesters you call "us" as being organized. Is that not true anymore?
 
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Let's see. Javar Harrell was shot and killed during an argument with Tyjon Hites in a parking lot no where near any protests

David Patrick Underwood was killed by Steven Carrillo a member of the right wing group "Boogaloo"

Robert Forbes was run down by a vehicle driven by white supremacist Timothy Keith Moore

Marvin Francois was killed in a car jacking

Italia Kelly was killed by a freind Parker Marlin Belz who said he shot her at a protest so he wouldn't be implicated.

wait. what was this list of people supposed to show again?
Thank you, I didn’t have the patience. But I asked the same question when I read the list.
 
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Over the past fifteen years, employees of the Center for Strategic and International Studies contributed to the two political parties as shown below and as reported by US News:

Center for Strategic and International Studies

To Republicans 12.30% of contributions

To Democrats 83.80% of contributions
Let me guess, you’d never heard of CSIS before now? Who their employees donate to doesn’t change who is leading the org and their solid reputation.
 
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Let me guess, you’d never heard of CSIS before now? Who their employees donate to doesn’t change who is leading the org and their solid reputation.
Their reputation isn't bad. I agree to that. However, it is not what you said, either ("They aren’t left-leaning.")

The fact is that all these foundations are left or right as their contributions indicate. The Heritage Foundation, which everyone knows to be Conservative, records contributions that are about 100% to Conervative causes, just as the ones that are Left-leaning record similar percentages but in the opposite direction.

That said, take a look at the figures for CSIS and you will have the best gauge of which way that organization leans, or if it leans at all--

To Republicans, 12.30% of contributions
To Democrats, 83.80% of contributions
 
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In the private world, it works like this:. you don't do your job, you get laid off. Or even terminated for cause. Doesn't matter if your job is essential--you're not doing it, so you get let go.

In the public sector it's not so simple. Police may not be doing their jobs (and in fact are doing an awful lot of stuff that is not), but they're unionized, and they have "rights". They're special.
no it's that so many police departments don't hold officers accountable for their actions. one of the wisest proposals of the so called defund the police is that citizens are part of the internal affairs hearings to they are accountable to the communities they serve.
 
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How organized did Timothy McVeigh have to be to blow up the federal building on Oklahoma City? How organized did Antifa have to be to take over several city blocks in Seattle. How organized did BLM extremists have to be to assassinate or attempt to assaninate police officers? How organized did the looters and rioters have to be to cause literally billions of dollars of damage in several cities like Chicago, Portland, New York, Minneapolis, Los Angeles, etc? The mob doesn't need "organization" to cause catastrophic damage. They just need to be angry and mindless.
McVeigh was about a right wing as one can get
 
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