There is only One Gospel

Skidder

Well-Known Member
Nov 14, 2019
460
226
East
✟29,728.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
It's not that simple. Ephesians 4:5 says one baptism but Hebrews 6:2 says baptisms in the plural.

We need to understand the dispensational context of each verse.
  1. There is only one true gospel for the church age: the gospel of the grace of God.
  2. There was only one true gospel during the gospels: the gospel of the kingdom.
  3. There will only be one true gospel during the tribulation: the everlasting gospel (preached by an angel, by the way, see Revelation 14:6).
So there are 3 gospels, and each is the only true gospel during its own dispensation/age.

Without that division, the Bible cannot be reconciled.

That's why Paul also commanded Timothy to "divide" the word of truth (2Ti.2:15).

I think you're missing one of the key words in The Gospel. The word "THE". The word THE does not mean "a gospel" but THE Gospel. Similar to THE Christ, and THE Father, and THE Holy Spirit. And even if you twist the word THE to fit more than one gospel, how do you explain Jesus commanding us to preach THE Gospel to EVERY creature? Jesus doesn't say preach a certain gospel to a certain people, but rather THE Gospel to EVERY creature. Simply put, that means EVERY creature gets the SAME Gospel. Not only does this simplicity blow holes in multiple gospel doctrines, but Jesus is telling this to the disciples who were ALL Jews. Why would he tell the Jews to preach the same gospel to every creature if there were different gospels for different people?

Your multiple gospel doctrines contradict the simplicity that is in Christ. That His blood is the ONLY answer for sin for EVERY person. The very reason John said "to Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood". Just like John (a Jew) was washed in His blood, this applies to everyone, even before the time of the cross. Abraham also had to be washed from His sins in His blood. His blood is the ONLY answer for sin for EVERY dispensation, and His blood is not separate from the Gospel that SAVES. So please tell me how these other gospels deal with the sin problem apart from His blood?

Mark 16:15
And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach THE gospel to EVERY creature.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: Jesus is YHWH
Upvote 0

George Antonios

Active Member
Aug 25, 2020
133
60
41
Quebec
✟15,255.00
Country
Canada
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
I guess we're playing the "whose translation is right?" game then.

ESV
"and of instruction about washings, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment."

NIV
"instruction about cleansing rites, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment."

NASB
"of instruction about washings and laying on of hands, and the resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment."

CSB
"teaching about ritual washings, laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment."

HSCB
"teaching about ritual washings, laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment."

NAS
"of instruction about washings, and laying on of hands, and the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment."

Darby
"of [the] doctrine of washings, and of imposition of hands, and of resurrection of [the] dead, and of eternal judgment;"

Weymouth
"of [the] doctrine of washings, and of imposition of hands, and of resurrection of [the] dead, and of eternal judgment;"

-CryptoLutheran

They do that because baptisms presents a problem. So whenever they can't understand a passage, they dumb it down to their level of understanding. Par for the course.
 
Upvote 0

BNR32FAN

He’s a Way of life
Supporter
Aug 11, 2017
22,121
7,244
Dallas
✟873,941.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
It's not that simple. Ephesians 4:5 says one baptism but Hebrews 6:2 says baptisms in the plural.

We need to understand the dispensational context of each verse.
  1. There is only one true gospel for the church age: the gospel of the grace of God.
  2. There was only one true gospel during the gospels: the gospel of the kingdom.
  3. There will only be one true gospel during the tribulation: the everlasting gospel (preached by an angel, by the way, see Revelation 14:6).
So there are 3 gospels, and each is the only true gospel during its own dispensation/age.

Without that division, the Bible cannot be reconciled.

That's why Paul also commanded Timothy to "divide" the word of truth (2Ti.2:15).

There are actually 4 baptisms my friend, water, fire, spirit, and death.
 
Upvote 0

ViaCrucis

Confessional Lutheran
Oct 2, 2011
37,341
26,785
Pacific Northwest
✟728,115.00
Country
United States
Faith
Lutheran
Marital Status
In Relationship
Politics
US-Others
They do that because baptisms presents a problem. So whenever they can't understand a passage, they dumb it down to their level of understanding. Par for the course.

So then how do you deal with the baptisms of cups and reclining seats mentioned in Mark 7:4?

-CryptoLutheran
 
Upvote 0

George Antonios

Active Member
Aug 25, 2020
133
60
41
Quebec
✟15,255.00
Country
Canada
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
So then how do you deal with the baptisms of cups and reclining seats mentioned in Mark 7:4?

-CryptoLutheran

The issue is not whether βαπτίζω/baptizō can be translated as "wash" or transliterated into "baptize".
The issue is that when men approach the English text of the KJB, they change whichever of the two English translations was chosen when they don't understand how it fits.

baptisms in Hebrews 6:2 is hard to explain in the light of one baptism in Ephesians 4:5.

So instead of believing the words of Hebrews 6:2, praying, and studying to reconcile the passages, I just change baptisms to washings and voilà, problem "solved".
And this kind of foolishness passes off for "scholarly" work...
 
Upvote 0

Mark Quayle

Monergist; and by reputation, Reformed Calvinist
Supporter
May 28, 2018
13,005
5,622
68
Pennsylvania
✟780,935.00
Country
United States
Faith
Reformed
Marital Status
Widowed
Yes, I am going somewhere, I am just curious to understand how you understand John 3:16.

The answer is found in John 20:31, which is the content of the gospel of the kingdom.

But for us today, the gospel that saves us is found in 1 Cor 15:1-4, we must believe that Jesus died for our sins and rose again on the 3rd day.

I understand John 3:16 in light of the rest of Scripture, and particularly by good hermeneutical practices considering the immediate context, language, etc. One way it can be translated is "For God thus loved the world: He gave his only begotten son, so that those believing in him will not perish but have eternal life".

Notice in John 20:31 that "believe" is in the Greek, "continue to believe" or "be believing".

Notice in I Cor. 15:1-4 it says they are saved by the Gospel, it does not say that they are saved by receiving the Gospel. In fact, it goes on to say that if one believes the gospel, but does not hold fast, they are not saved. Pretty easy to see, then, that the belief must be produced by God, and the holding fast also, is the work of God, no matter how much the effort of the believer, (and yes, I insist there is considerable effort (will, decision, etc) on the part of the believer, or they are none of his). So it is not in our own purvue whether or not we are of the Elect.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Jesus is YHWH
Upvote 0

Jesus is YHWH

my Lord and my God !
Supporter
Dec 15, 2011
3,496
1,726
✟389,967.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
I understand John 3:16 in light of the rest of Scripture, and particularly by good hermeneutical practices considering the immediate context, language, etc. One way it can be translated is "For God thus loved the world: He gave his only begotten son, so that those believing in him will not perish but have eternal life".

Notice in John 20:31 that "believe" is in the Greek, "continue to believe" or "be believing".

Notice in I Cor. 15:1-4 it says they are saved by the Gospel, it does not say that they are saved by receiving the Gospel. In fact, it goes on to say that if one believes the gospel, but does not hold fast, they are not saved. Pretty easy to see, then, that the belief must be produced by God, and the holding fast also, is the work of God, no matter how much the effort of the believer, (and yes, I insist there is considerable effort (will, decision, etc) on the part of the believer, or they are none of his). So it is not in our own purvue whether or not we are of the Elect.
Indeed John 3:16's context is Jesus talk with Nicodemus which most people forget.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: Mark Quayle
Upvote 0

Saint Steven

You can call me Steve
Supporter
Jul 2, 2018
18,580
11,385
Minneapolis, MN
✟930,116.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
How ?

read below !

Galatians 2:7-9
But on the contrary, seeing that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been to the circumcised 8 (for He who effectually worked for Peter in his apostleship to the circumcised effectually worked for me also to the Gentiles), 9 and recognizing the grace that had been given to me, James and Cephas and John, who were reputed to be pillars, gave to me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, so that we might go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised.
I understand that Peter was sent to the Jews and Paul to the gentiles. That wasn't my question. You said it was the SAME gospel. How did you come to THAT conclusion?

Jesus is YHWH said:
Paul says in Galatians 2 its the same gospel Peter preached to the circumsized(jews) as he did to the uncircumsized(gentiles).
 
Upvote 0

Saint Steven

You can call me Steve
Supporter
Jul 2, 2018
18,580
11,385
Minneapolis, MN
✟930,116.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Well, I'm not prophecying a war if that's what you mean. Many will say in that day Lord, Lord.....He will say to them, "I never knew you"....

I am sure the Jews of the first century thought God would avenge them of the Romans. I mean, they defiled the temple and all....thought their emperor was god. Just like their ancesters did before the Babylonians took over they didn't see their own sins an account what God thought of that.

The church is headed down the same road.
The church is headed down the same road? How so?
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Guojing

Well-Known Member
Apr 11, 2019
11,773
1,309
sg
✟214,746.00
Country
Singapore
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
I understand John 3:16 in light of the rest of Scripture, and particularly by good hermeneutical practices considering the immediate context, language, etc. One way it can be translated is "For God thus loved the world: He gave his only begotten son, so that those believing in him will not perish but have eternal life".

Notice in John 20:31 that "believe" is in the Greek, "continue to believe" or "be believing".

Notice in I Cor. 15:1-4 it says they are saved by the Gospel, it does not say that they are saved by receiving the Gospel. In fact, it goes on to say that if one believes the gospel, but does not hold fast, they are not saved. Pretty easy to see, then, that the belief must be produced by God, and the holding fast also, is the work of God, no matter how much the effort of the believer, (and yes, I insist there is considerable effort (will, decision, etc) on the part of the believer, or they are none of his). So it is not in our own purvue whether or not we are of the Elect.

you are a Calvinist?
 
Upvote 0

Guojing

Well-Known Member
Apr 11, 2019
11,773
1,309
sg
✟214,746.00
Country
Singapore
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Jesus Christ, who is the Seed of Abraham. Jesus Christ and what He did is the good news to which Abraham had faith, and as St. Paul tells us, it was reckoned to him as righteousness Abraham was saved by God's grace, justified through faith in Christ. Which is why our Lord Himself tells us that Abraham looked forward to His day.

-CryptoLutheran

I am asking what does genesis 15 record the good news that Abraham believed God for.

2 And Abram said, O Lord Jehovah, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and he that shall be possessor of my house is Eliezer of Damascus?

3 And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir.

4 And, behold, the word of Jehovah came unto him, saying, This man shall not be thine heir; But he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.

5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and number the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.

6 And he believed in Jehovah; and he reckoned it to him for righteousness.

Is Scripture not clear enough to you what was the content of that good news?
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

Mark Quayle

Monergist; and by reputation, Reformed Calvinist
Supporter
May 28, 2018
13,005
5,622
68
Pennsylvania
✟780,935.00
Country
United States
Faith
Reformed
Marital Status
Widowed
you are a Calvinist?
Reformed. (Basically a more acceptable term for "Calvinist" --lacking much of the baggage commonly attributed to Calvinism. Kind of like a liberal renaming itself, "progressive")
 
Upvote 0

Guojing

Well-Known Member
Apr 11, 2019
11,773
1,309
sg
✟214,746.00
Country
Singapore
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Reformed. (Basically a more acceptable term for "Calvinist" --lacking much of the baggage commonly attributed to Calvinism. Kind of like a liberal renaming itself, "progressive")

I see, thanks for clarifying.
 
Upvote 0

Saint Steven

You can call me Steve
Supporter
Jul 2, 2018
18,580
11,385
Minneapolis, MN
✟930,116.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Reformed. (Basically a more acceptable term for "Calvinist" --lacking much of the baggage commonly attributed to Calvinism. Kind of like a liberal renaming itself, "progressive")
Itself? - lol
That's pretty funny.
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

RCrihfield

Active Member
Sep 25, 2020
79
53
62
Alliance
✟16,052.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Libertarian
The church is headed down the same road? How so?
Wheat and tares....unbelievers mixed in with believers....in the end they will be separated and 1 group destroyed and the other rewarded.

Are you suggesting all those who claim to be christians will be saved? Read Jude. Matthew 25 (I think) . Or am I not understanding your question.

I would go so far as to prophecy that there are virtually entire denominations that have had their "candlesticks" removed except for a few who have not soiled their robe.

The church in the US is in trouble. If we are not the pillar of truth, who will hold our society together. As the church fails so fails the nation. The church is polluted. Wheat and tares.
 
Upvote 0

Jesus is YHWH

my Lord and my God !
Supporter
Dec 15, 2011
3,496
1,726
✟389,967.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
I understand that Peter was sent to the Jews and Paul to the gentiles. That wasn't my question. You said it was the SAME gospel. How did you come to THAT conclusion?

Jesus is YHWH said:
Paul says in Galatians 2 its the same gospel Peter preached to the circumsized(jews) as he did to the uncircumsized(gentiles).
Since Paul says if ANYONE preaches any other gospel than the one he teaches let them be ACCURSED.

Galatians 1:8
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!

So you think Peters gospel was different ?
 
Upvote 0

Guojing

Well-Known Member
Apr 11, 2019
11,773
1,309
sg
✟214,746.00
Country
Singapore
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
I think you're missing one of the key words in The Gospel. The word "THE". The word THE does not mean "a gospel" but THE Gospel. Similar to THE Christ, and THE Father, and THE Holy Spirit. And even if you twist the word THE to fit more than one gospel, how do you explain Jesus commanding us to preach THE Gospel to EVERY creature? Jesus doesn't say preach a certain gospel to a certain people, but rather THE Gospel to EVERY creature. Simply put, that means EVERY creature gets the SAME Gospel. Not only does this simplicity blow holes in multiple gospel doctrines, but Jesus is telling this to the disciples who were ALL Jews. Why would he tell the Jews to preach the same gospel to every creature if there were different gospels for different people?

Your multiple gospel doctrines contradict the simplicity that is in Christ. That His blood is the ONLY answer for sin for EVERY person. The very reason John said "to Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood". Just like John (a Jew) was washed in His blood, this applies to everyone, even before the time of the cross. Abraham also had to be washed from His sins in His blood. His blood is the ONLY answer for sin for EVERY dispensation, and His blood is not separate from the Gospel that SAVES. So please tell me how these other gospels deal with the sin problem apart from His blood?

Mark 16:15
And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach THE gospel to EVERY creature.

Given your signature, what do you think the gospel was during the Matthew-John period?

When you read Luke 9:6 about the 12 going around preaching "the gospel", what were they preaching?

Do you think they preach the death of Jesus for the sins of man, and his resurrection on the 3rd day?
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Guojing

Well-Known Member
Apr 11, 2019
11,773
1,309
sg
✟214,746.00
Country
Singapore
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Since Paul says if ANYONE preaches any other gospel than the one he teaches let them be ACCURSED.

Galatians 1:8
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!

So you think Peters gospel was different ?

When you read Luke 9:6 about the 12 going around preaching "the gospel", what were they preaching?

Do you think they preach the death of Jesus for the sins of man, and his resurrection on the 3rd day?
 
Upvote 0