Any scriptural evidence that evangelized Gentiles are to keep the Sabbath?

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What are "my commandments"? Why do you try to add to scripture something that is not there by indicating that "my commandments" is referring to the TEN commandments?
How am I adding scripture when its a quote from the Bible? If you look at God's 10 Commandments, He refers to them in His 10 commandments as My Commandments and that's how its referenced in both Old and New Testaments.

Exodus 20:4
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Who does God show mercy to?

but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
(notice there is not an "or" love me or keep my commandments He uses love Me and keep My commandments)

There is a reoccurring theme in the Bible that references several times about Salvation, Tree of life and keeping The Commandments. You keep Gods law because He asked and you love Him and want to. It's not a burden but a blessing. Can you imagine how this world would be if everyone kept Gods law? Sort of like heaven.
 
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How am I adding scripture when its a quote from the Bible? If you look at God's 10 Commandments, He refers to them in His 10 commandments as My Commandments and that's how its referenced in both Old and New Testaments.
Thank you you just made Jn15:10 and on very clear.
10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. 11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full. 12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. 13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

What were the commands Jesus was under as being a practicing Jew. Of course it was the 10 commandments and the other 603 commands that would involve Him. He said He kept those commands and askes us to intern keep HIS commands. His commands are to believe in Him and to love others as He loves us. He didn't ever tell us to keep the Sabbath given only to Israel.

Exodus 20:4
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Who does God show mercy to?

but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
(notice there is not an "or" love me or keep my commandments He uses love Me and keep My commandments)
Exactly, and who was He referring? Israel of course and of course there were many more commandments given to Israel besides the ten. Could this have been the reason He didn't say TEN commandments? Of course this was the reason.

There is a reoccurring theme in the Bible that references several times about Salvation, Tree of life and keeping The Commandments. You keep Gods law because He asked and you love Him and want to. It's not a burden but a blessing. Can you imagine how this world would be if everyone kept Gods law? Sort of like heaven.
It appears that you are fixated on just the TEN and do not realize that there are many more ways man can sin.
 
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Doesn't matter, as some are saying we need do nothing more than have faith.
It doesn't matter????? You have to be kidding friend. It appears you know I am correct and you don't want to admit what you wrote were wrong.
 
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Thank you you just made Jn15:10 and on very clear.
10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. 11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full. 12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. 13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

What were the commands Jesus was under as being a practicing Jew. Of course it was the 10 commandments and the other 603 commands that would involve Him. He said He kept those commands and askes us to intern keep HIS commands. His commands are to believe in Him and to love others as He loves us. He didn't ever tell us to keep the Sabbath given only to Israel.

Exactly, and who was He referring? Israel of course and of course there were many more commandments given to Israel besides the ten. Could this have been the reason He didn't say TEN commandments? Of course this was the reason.


It appears that you are fixated on just the TEN and do not realize that there are many more ways man can sin.
I think the better question is why are people so fixated on doing away with Gods law when the Bible says He is unchanging

Hebrews 13:
8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

My friend, you keep going in circles trying so hard to prove something that just isn't there. God separated His Holy law, written with His finger on stone, kept in the Holy tabernacle and you don't see the difference between that and the other statues and traditions?

The Bible even says Mathew 5:19,20

19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

I think its a dangerous path to tell people not to obey God's laws as they are no longer important.
 
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I think the better question is why are people so fixated on doing away with Gods law when the Bible says He is unchanging
If He is "unchanging" like you claim then why are you not imploring us to obey all of God's laws given to Israel? Think my friend, you are not looking at the big picture. Another thing, why would Jeramiah prophesy about a NEW COVENANT, one with better promises not like the one given to Israel if God really did not change? God was going to destroy all of the Israelites and told Moses this was His plan and Moses pleaded with Him not to do that, so God changed His mind. So, don't tell us God does not change when we know He did.

Heb 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Hebrews 13:
8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

My friend, you keep going in circles trying so hard to prove something that just isn't there. God separated His Holy law, written with His finger on stone, kept in the Holy tabernacle and you don't see the difference between that and the other statues and traditions?
No, the great two command are not found in the ten commandments, the commandments to love are found in the book of the law. Had God written all the laws for the Israelites on stone Old Moses would not have been able to carry the huge amout of stones to the people.

The Bible even says Mathew 5:19,20

19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
I presume you think Jesus was referring just to the ten commandments when just before He was referring to all the LAW. What would make you believe that? Later in Matt 5 He wrote about the law of an eye for an eye which was not one of the ten. Same with the love your enemy which is not one of the ten, but which is part of the laws God dictated to Moses and became the book of the Law.

I think its a dangerous path to tell people not to obey God's laws as they are no longer important.
And I think it is very dangerous to add anything to scripture and this includes adding a ten before commandments.
 
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He did not nail the law to the cross, the curse of the law was nailed to it...He became a curse.
Galatians 3:13

Exactly, the curse is nailed to the cross. The curse is the penalty for transgressing the Law. It`s the Law of sin and death.

14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:

15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
 
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I think the better question is why are people so fixated on doing away with Gods law when the Bible says He is unchanging

Here is a great example of several logical errors:
  1. You are conflating two dissimilar items It is both the COVENANT of God that is unchanging and the attributes of Jesus that do not change. Hebrews 13:8
  2. You are wrongly attributing a desire to "do away with the Law of God" (The name for that is "antinomonianism") when it is Jesus Himself who fulfilled the Law in our behalf so we do not need to do so as a condition for salvation.
  3. You are setting up a false choice dilemma (there being only a limited number of choices, and all of them are wrong) so that people in the SDA can make themselves "superior to others" by shaming others into keeping the same unnecessary rules of the SDA church

Mathew 5:19,20

19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

Is this the Clear Word version? That is not a translation; it is a SDA-skewed paraphrase. Compare that with this excellent recent TRANSLATION from the English standard Version:

Do look at the part that you deliberately omitted in your condemnation. It is called CONTEXT.


17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

That deliberate omission of context creates another error of logic called "Straw Man". It is an error of logic because it falsely gives the appearance of answering an argument, when all it does is is to throw mud into the water.

A formal definition is A straw man fallacy occurs when someone takes another person's argument or point, distorts it or exaggerates it in some kind of extreme way, and then attacks the extreme distortion, as if that is really the claim the first person is making.
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owl.excelsior.edu › Argument & Critical Thinking › Logical Fallacies

19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

ESV

Just to be sure, I am NOT attacking you personally, nor am I attempting to "annoy you off"; rather, I am attacking those who taught you how to use false, illogical reasoning to make a point. The reason why I use that technique is to have you understand that once an error of logic is correctly named, it automatically invalidates everything associated with that logical error, and that forces the other to use solid logical reasoning to come to the point of truth.
 
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Is there any evidence in the Bible indicating that evangelized Gentiles are expected to keep the Sabbath? If not, is there any scriptural evidence against it? Or are the Scriptures rather silent in this regard?

all eternity after the cross "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND (including all evangelized gentiles) come before God to worship" Is 66:23 - in the New Earth.

"every Sabbath" we see Gospel preaching to Jews AND Gentiles in Acts 18:4

"just evangelized gentiles" ask for MORE Gospel preaching to be given them "on the next Sabbath" as they plan for another gospel preaching event in Acts 13

No wonder Is 56:6-8 singles out gentiles for a special blessing for choosing not to profane the Bible Sabbath.
 
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MORE (sigh) logical fallacies:

Gods law is not just for the Jews

1) Adam and Eve were not Jewish. “God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it” (Genesis 2:3)

Indeed, God hallowed the Sabbath. HOWEVER you (and your church members) falsely assume that God told them to OBEY it.

That is an argument from silence, and all silence proves is SILENCE ON THAT ISSUE. Not even the Serpent mentioned it as a way to disobey God. He only mentioned eating the forbidden fruit as a way to do that.

2) “The Sabbath was made for man.” Mark 2:27. Jesus said this. It was “made” in the Garden of Eden before it was “written” down on Mount Sinai. The Sabbath was “made” for “man,” not just Jews.

Your error is significant because it cherry picks Scripture, and erases the CONTEXT:

Matthew 2:24 And the Pharisees were saying to him, “Look, why are they doing what is not lawful on the Sabbath?”
25 And he said to them, “Have you never read what David did, when he was in need and was hungry, he and those who were with him:
26 how he entered the house of God, in the time of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the bread of the Presence, which it is not lawful for any but the priests to eat, and also gave it to those who were with him?”
27 And he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
28 So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.”

Notice that according to the Pharisees, Jesus Christ and the Disciples VIOLATED THE SABBATH. If anyone wishes to maintain the sinlessness of Jesus Christ, then there has to be another reason for this event, other than the lording of the Sabbath over everyone. And it is found in verse 28:

JESUS CHRIST IS LORD OF THE SABBATH, but the ethos of the SDA church is that y'all want to make humanity slaves to the 4th Commandment

3) The other nine commandments are not “just for Jews.” God wrote “Ten Commandments” on stone, not just nine (See Deut. 4:12, 13; Ex. 20). Does “Do not commit adultery,” “Do not murder,” “Do not steal,” and “Do not bear false witness” apply only to Jews?

I mentioned "Straw man Argument" before; this is another one.

4) “The seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God.” Exodus 20:10. God calls the Sabbath, “my holy day.” Isaiah 58:13. The Bible never calls it “the Sabbath of the Jews.” It isn’t their Sabbath, but God’s.

Who hallowed the Sabbath? It was God. Where oh where does it say that all people are to go to church on Saturday to merit salvation? But in your over emphasis of that 4th Commandment, y'all are saying exactly that.

5) The Sabbath commandment is for the “stranger” too. The fourth commandment itself says the “stranger” is to rest on the Sabbath. Exodus 20:10. “Strangers” are non-Jews, or Gentiles. Thus the Sabbath applies to them too. Read also Isaiah 56:6.

This is ANOTHER error of context:
Isaiah 56
5 I will give in my house and within my walls
a monument and a name
better than sons and daughters;
I will give them an everlasting name
that shall not be cut off.

6 “And the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord,
to minister to him, to love the name of the Lord,
and to be his servants
,

everyone who keeps the Sabbath and does not profane it,
and holds fast my covenant—

These are believers, or do you have another explanation to what I made bold red above?

<SNIP> ran out of time
 
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Doesn't matter, as some are saying we need do nothing more than have faith.

James and Paul said same thing about works but they expressed it differently. The English translation is easily misunderstood to appear to be two different positions.
 
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James and Paul said same thing about works but they expressed it differently. The English translation is easily misunderstood to appear to be two different positions.

What scripture are you referring to? I'd like to take a look at it.
 
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What scripture are you referring to? I'd like to take a look at it.

There are quite a few scriptures that discuss Paul`s zeal to do good works. It`s not a hard mystery to unravel.

James says-> "works" show "faith" , to paraphrase, he is saying that works provide evidence for faith and that faith compels a person to perform works. He calls faith without works "dead" because without works of some kind you have no evidence to bear fruit with. He doesn`t says works are the salvation but he gives works the weight of evidence that faith exists.

Now some Paul verses and there are toooo many to list them all. But in these verses Paul says we are created in Jesus, new creatures to do good works. In verse after verse Paul speaks as though his churches understand that believers do good works. In one of these verses Paul talks about some people who denied God by their works and were reprobate to good works. This strongly implies that he didn`t have any confidence in the salvation of this type of Christian. Paul states in another verse that Jesus was purifying to himself people who are zealous to do good works. Last verse sees Paul giving caution against allowing good works to become unfruitful. Which fruit is evidence of faith and we all need to bear fruit.

When correctly understood I find Paul`s view on works actually a tougher standard then the one set by James.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

10 Well reported of for good works; if she have brought up children, if she have lodged strangers, if she have washed the saints' feet, if she have relieved the afflicted, if she have diligently followed every good work.

25Likewise also the good works of some are manifest beforehand; and they that are otherwise cannot be hid.

17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

7 In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity,

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

14 And let our's also learn to maintain good works for necessary uses, that they be not unfruitful.
 
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There are quite a few scriptures that discuss Paul`s zeal to do good works. It`s not a hard mystery to unravel.

Agree, yet so many cannot, or better said, refuse to see it is no mystery, but splattered all over.

James says-> "works" show "faith"

Works are faith in action, or so the quote says basically, the result of faith.

Those who teach faith only and choose to believe we need no works, are the ones who simply do not want to do works... they want easy.
 
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Agree, yet so many cannot, or better said, refuse to see it is no mystery, but splattered all over.



Works are faith in action, or so the quote says basically, the result of faith.

Those who teach faith only and choose to believe we need no works, are the ones who simply do not want to do works... they want easy.

In my view doing good is the easy way and it`s best not to make assumptions about others. I have run into Christians online who are hostile to even talking about doing works and following commandments and they do concern me. I find them quick to say I`m a legalist which I am not.
 
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In my view doing good is the easy way and it`s best not to make assumptions about others. I have run into Christians online who are hostile to even talking about doing works and following commandments and they do concern me. I find them quick to say I`m a legalist which I am not.

Yep, if we try to please God by doing good, we are doing bad because we are legalists.

I would recommend those people take another look at what exactly happened between Christ and the Pharisees on legalism.
 
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Right the two great commands are found in the book of the law, yet Jesus gave us a command far greater that the two, we are to love others as Jesus loves us. He loves us so much that He gave His life on the Cross to redeem us. Jn 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

He gave "commands" even stricter and far more reaching than the original in Torah, but again that does not NEGATE Torah, it strengthens it! Things such as if you anger, it is as murder (Matthew 5:21-23). If you even look at a woman sexually it is as if you already committed fornication/adultery with her in your heart (Matthew 5:27-28).
 
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Yep, if we try to please God by doing good, we are doing bad because we are legalists.

So doing good does not please God???? Doing good is doing bad???? Isaiah 5:20
 
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So doing good does not please God???? Doing good is doing bad???? Isaiah 5:20

He worded it badly but I knew what he really meant and suspect you do also. "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight"

We were talking about legalism or in other words, works for salvation, maintaining part or all the Law as justification etc
 
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