Abortion, always with us

Nevada Smith · Sep 25, 2020

jgarden said:
The Bible doesn't teach that the ends justify the means which is exactly what Christian conservatives have done by supporting the only President in American history that has stated publicly that he has no intention of recognizing the results of the election unless he wins!

nationwide Pandemic,
record unemployment
families facing food shortages and possible eviction
racial unrest, protests and demonstrations
a President undermining confidence in the electoral system
congressional gridlock
federal grants to unemployed not renewed beyond the end of July
loss of health insurance
Obamacare being taken to the courts
state bureaucracies backed up and difficult to access
White House interference in government agencies including the CDC
inconsistent government messaging on COVID-19
President holding large mass rallies and not wearing a mask
fear of foreign political influence on elections
America increasingly taking on the characteristics of a"failed state"

These are just some of the current issues that have contributed to the political, social and economic instability that this White House appears intent on increasing the divisiveness, not unifying the nation!

The current conditions in America would provide cause for any expectant mother to question as to whether this instability is conducive to bringing another child into the world and all the responsibility that comes with it?

I think you replied to the wrong post.

Jermayn · Sep 25, 2020

jgarden said:
The Bible doesn't teach that the ends justify the means which is exactly what Christian conservatives have done by supporting the only President in American history that has stated publicly that he has no intention of recognizing the results of the election unless he wins!

nationwide Pandemic,
record unemployment
families facing food shortages and possible eviction
racial unrest, protests and demonstrations
a President undermining confidence in the electoral system
congressional gridlock
federal grants to unemployed not renewed beyond the end of July
loss of health insurance
Obamacare being taken to the courts
state bureaucracies backed up and difficult to access
White House interference in government agencies including the CDC
inconsistent government messaging on COVID-19
President holding large mass rallies and not wearing a mask
fear of foreign political influence on elections
America increasingly taking on the characteristics of a"failed state"

These are just some of the current issues that have contributed to the political, social and economic instability that this White House appears intent on increasing the divisiveness, not unifying the nation!

The current conditions in America would provide cause for any expectant mother to question as to whether this instability is conducive to bringing another child into the world and all the responsibility that comes with it?

Just stoooop with the record unemployment rates. It's not like there's a pandemic that shut everything down for months. The jobs are coming back fast and if you're really that concerned about it, petition Democrat governors to reopen their states for business. Every other complaint you have sounds like business as usual no matter which side of the aisle controls the government.

SkyWriting · Sep 25, 2020

Jermayn said:
The first civil right you should have is the right to be born without being murdered in your mothers womb.

Do any of us have the right to force you to pass a baby through your provided gentiles? Assuming they are in good shape for that.

I disagree. It's my mother's decision that my dad is there, that he is able to work, she is able to work, that he doesn't beat her, that they have a stable relationship....even that she has the health to carry me as a fetus. In my 40's my mothers, high blood pressure manifested in me. And lucky me, mom has been tall, thin, and on blood pressure medication since she was 13. So it's mom's decision, not mine. Her BP was 210/95 a few weeks ago. Nobody should interfere with a woman's health and family decisions.

jgarden · Sep 26, 2020

Jermayn said:
Just stoooop with the record unemployment rates. It's not like there's a pandemic that shut everything down for months. The jobs are coming back fast and if you're really that concerned about it, petition Democrat governors to reopen their states for business. Every other complaint you have sounds like business as usual no matter which side of the aisle controls the government.

Major donors to the Republicans were rewarded with more than a $1 tillion tax cut, financed with government money amd totally unecessary, given the fact that the economy was already experiencing a "bull market!"

Fast forward 3 years, and those sam!e congressional Republicans and their supporters oppose the extension of the federal government grant, beyond July, to millions of America'sunemployed, through no fault of their own, to provide food and shelter security for them and their families!

A "helping-hand" during a Pandemic and record unemployment that, unlike those wealthy Republican donors, none of America's "great unwashed masses" deserve!

Archivist · Sep 27, 2020

People forget that the Roe opinion was written by a Republican appointee and that the GOP was pro choice until the 1980 election.

thecolorsblend · Sep 27, 2020

SkyWriting said:
or regrets the in the following 90 days

Needs fixing.

For everything else, abortion is murder, end of discussion. And if you involve yourself with it or support it, I judge you. But not as harshly as God might judge you.

SkyWriting · Sep 28, 2020

Jermayn said:
This is why socialism has become so popular. Personal responsibility has become a curse word in western society.

Well, women often enough do not have the final say in pregnancies.

A girl of the Wayuu people gave birth to a 2.6 kg (5.7 lb), 47 cm (19 in) girl by cesarean section at a clinic in Riohacha. [174][175][176][177] The ten-year-old rejected her newborn child.

SkyWriting · Sep 28, 2020

thecolorsblend said:
Needs fixing.

For everything else, abortion is murder, end of discussion. And if you involve yourself with it or support it, I judge you. But not as harshly as God might judge you.

Women often enough do not have the final say in pregnancies. For example:

"In late December 2011, Antônio Lisboa Filho, age 28, discovered that his ten-and-a-half-year-old daughter, whom he had been raping regularly since she was eight, was 4 months pregnant. He fled from Coroatá, Maranhão with his wife Maria Alves Conceição and their other children, abandoning the girl with her maternal grandmother. Francisca Maria Conceição, the grandmother, alerted authorities of the rape and the parents' subsequent escape. As the pregnancy had advanced past the legal cut-off date for abortions, the girl delivered the baby via cesarean section in early May 2012, a month before term.[178] According to police testimony, the man is also suspected of raping the girl's 8-year-old sister.[179] "

SkyWriting · Sep 28, 2020

Jonathan Walkerin said:
Eventually they will figure out contraceptive practice that is so reliable, easy and safe to use that everyone can afford it and everyone who doesn’t want children at any given moment will be using it.

That will get rid of the most non medical emergency abortions and this issue will be gone.

Then everyone can concentrate on other issues like declining fertility rates.

Also artificial wombs will become available so any pro-life person can carry a child themself and with all abortions illegal, they will be required to raise every unwanted pregnancy until adulthood and save those babies!

Any Pro-life laws must stipulate that unwanted pregnancies go directly to Pro-Life organizations......to save those babies.

thecolorsblend · Sep 28, 2020

SkyWriting said:
In late December 2011, Antônio Lisboa Filho, age 28, discovered that his ten-and-a-half-year-old daughter, whom he had been raping regularly since she was eight, was 4 months pregnant. He fled from Coroatá, Maranhão with his wife Maria Alves Conceição and their other children, abandoning the girl with her maternal grandmother. Francisca Maria Conceição, the grandmother, alerted authorities of the rape and the parents' subsequent escape. As the pregnancy had advanced past the legal cut-off date for abortions, the girl delivered the baby via cesarean section in early May 2012, a month before term.[178] According to police testimony, the man is also suspected of raping the girl's 8-year-old sister.[179]

Yes? Do you have any thoughts about that context-free, unattributed Wiki article that you'd like to share?

(No, your point isn't self-evident)

thecolorsblend · Sep 28, 2020

Archivist said:
People forget that the Roe opinion was written by a Republican appointee and that the GOP was pro choice until the 1980 election.

Many GOP officials were pro-abortion.

The base had been broadly pro-life for quite some time.

SkyWriting · Sep 28, 2020

thecolorsblend said:
Yes? Do you have any thoughts about that context-free, unattributed Wiki article that you'd like to share?

(No, your point isn't self-evident)

There are links in the quote to the source.

SkyWriting · Sep 28, 2020

thecolorsblend said:
Needs fixing.

Females' rights need to be considered. They are not always wearing sexy underclothes, beckoning men to visit.

List of youngest birth mothers - Wikipedia

SkyWriting · Sep 28, 2020

thecolorsblend said:
For everything else, abortion is murder, end of discussion.

Not really leaving the discussion then?

Dafne, Pregnant 9-Year-Old In Mexico, Sterilized against her will After Giving birth

thecolorsblend · Sep 28, 2020

thecolorsblend said:
Yes? Do you have any thoughts about that context-free, unattributed Wiki article that you'd like to share?

SkyWriting said:
There are links in the quote to the source.

In other words, no.

SkyWriting said:
Females' rights need to be considered. They are not always wearing sexy underclothes, beckoning men to visit.

List of youngest birth mothers - Wikipedia

I don't see what that has to do with my post but ok

Jermayn · Sep 29, 2020

SkyWriting said:
Do any of us have the right to force you to pass a baby through your provided gentiles? Assuming they are in good shape for that.

I disagree. It's my mother's decision that my dad is there, that he is able to work, she is able to work, that he doesn't beat her, that they have a stable relationship....even that she has the health to carry me as a fetus. In my 40's my mothers, high blood pressure manifested in me. And lucky me, mom has been tall, thin, and on blood pressure medication since she was 13. So it's mom's decision, not mine. Her BP was 210/95 a few weeks ago. Nobody should interfere with a woman's health and family decisions.

All this gives Mom the right to take another humans life how?

Jermayn · Sep 29, 2020

jgarden said:
Major donors to the Republicans were rewarded with more than a $1 tillion tax cut, financed with government money amd totally unecessary, given the fact that the economy was already experiencing a "bull market!"

Fast forward 3 years, and those sam!e congressional Republicans and their supporters oppose the extension of the federal government grant, beyond July, to millions of America'sunemployed, through no fault of their own, to provide food and shelter security for them and their families!

A "helping-hand" during a Pandemic and record unemployment that, unlike those wealthy Republican donors, none of America's "great unwashed masses" deserve!

Last I checked, it was Pelosi holding up the benefits, which Trump had to pass an executive order to bypass.

Jermayn · Sep 29, 2020

SkyWriting said:
Well, women often enough do not have the final say in pregnancies.

A girl of the Wayuu people gave birth to a 2.6 kg (5.7 lb), 47 cm (19 in) girl by cesarean section at a clinic in Riohacha. [174][175][176][177] The ten-year-old rejected her newborn child.

So the newborn deserves a death sentence for that. Got it.

Archivist · Sep 29, 2020

Jermayn said:
So the newborn deserves a death sentence for that. Got it.

And the pregnant girl deserved to be forced to give birth at age 10. Got it.

SkyWriting · Sep 29, 2020

Jermayn said:
So the newborn deserves a death sentence for that. Got it.

It's up to the 10 year olds mother if she wants to see the girl though the pregnancy, then give up the child. Or raise the child's child. The point being, it's not up to others to decide the fate of a raped 10 year old. And you can complain "Personal responsibility" all day but that doesn't change the problems for any age women.

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