Depends on whether you are a Roman Catholic, or not.
This passagee says nothing about interruption of the OT prophecy. Something Paul does write in this chapter, however, is that there is ONE united People of God (and that's the mystery he's writing about):Because you do not accept that God has interrupted the OT prophecy program, to reveal a new dispensation of grace (Ephesians 3:9)
This verse says nothing about interruption of the OT prophecy. Something Paul does write in this chapter, however, is that there is ONE united People of God (and that's the mystery he's writing about):
Ephesians 3
6This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are fellow heirs, fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus.
That may be the way it's framed by futurists.....but it wasn't "thru the fall of Israel" that the two groups (one of which *was* faithful Israel) became one. That happened through Christ....and their faith.Yes, but that happened thru the fall of Israel, as I said, which was not supposed to have happened, according to OT prophecy, such as Zechariah 8.
That may be the way it's framed by futurists.....but it wasn't "thru the fall of Israel" that the two groups (one of which *was* faithful Israel) became one. That happened through Christ....and their faith.
Ephesians 2:14
For He Himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has torn down the dividing wall of hostility
Ephesians 3:6
6This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are fellow heirs, fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus.
That's the belief Jesus was confronting when He said this (they believed they would always have God's protection....but there were also prophecies of the impending end of the Mosaic Covenant that they were ignoring):Yes, but that happened thru the fall of Israel, as I said, which was not supposed to have happened, according to OT prophecy, such as Zechariah 8.
That's the belief Jesus was confronting when He said this (they believed they would always have God's protection....but there were also prophecies of the impending end of the Mosaic Covenant that they were ignoring):
John 8:39-42
Abraham is our father,” they replied.
“If you were children of Abraham,” said Jesus, “you would do the works of Abraham. 40But now you are trying to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham never did such a thing. 41You are doing the works of your father.”
“We are not illegitimate children,” they declared. “Our only Father is God Himself.”42Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on My own, but He sent Me.
Look at how Romans 11 begins (we have to go back to chapter 10 to see why Paul wrote this....this is the tension that was occurring when Paul wrote this....it was a critical time of change):It is framed by Paul in Romans 11:11, but you have a different interpretation to what he was saying.
Jesus was confronting them on who they claimed to belong to. They were claiming to belong to Abraham (based on the Mosaic Covenant). Jesus was saying to them that because they didn't have the faith of Abraham..- and were rejecting Christ Jesus...they didn't belong to Abraham but to their father....the father of lies.Yes, Jesus told them the works he did, which refers the signs and wonders, they had to believe he is their promised messiah
But they rejected and crucified him, so they refuse to believe in him.
Again.....nothing said about interruption of prophecy....but you seem to be suggesting God's plan was thrown off course for a while. Is that what you're claiming?Yes, but that happened thru the fall of Israel, as I said, which was not supposed to have happened, according to OT prophecy, such as Zechariah 8.
Again.....nothing said about interruption of prophecy....but you seem to be suggesting God's plan was thrown off course for a while. Is that what you're claiming?
So the physical is in heaven, and the spiritual will not happen until the Second Coming?No.....I am attempting to show that those promises and prophecies show that - when compared to the reality of history - David's throne that his promised descendant (Jesus - Son of David) sits on is not on earth (nor will it ever be).
There *is* a kingdom....but it's not "of this world". It's a spiritual kingdom.....and the way heaven and earth have met....joined together....are through His Church on earth. His "new stones" that make up His new Temple with Christ Jesus as the chief cornerstone.
I'm not sure how you got that as a take-away from this:So the physical is in heaven, and the spiritual will not happen until the Second Coming?
mkgal1 said:No.....I am attempting to show that those promises and prophecies show that - when compared to the reality of history - David's throne that his promised descendant (Jesus - Son of David) sits on is not on earth (nor will it ever be).
There *is* a kingdom....but it's not "of this world". It's a spiritual kingdom.....and the way heaven and earth have met....joined together....are through His Church on earth. His "new stones" that make up His new Temple with Christ Jesus as the chief cornerstone.
Again.....nothing said about interruption of prophecy....but you seem to be suggesting God's plan was thrown off course for a while. Is that what you're claiming?
There is still a physical promise. It will not be combined with the spiritual completion of the church. If you say the physical is heaven, that is wrong.I'm not sure how you got that as a take-away from this:
There is still a physical promise. It will not be combined with the spiritual completion of the church. If you say the physical is heaven, that is wrong.
No, Ephesians 3:9 said this plan was hidden in God since the foundation of the world.
That was why, as I told you in the other thread, Jesus was not wrong/being a racist at all, in calling the gentile lady a dog.
He knew about the interruption of this timetable and knew that gentiles had to wait until Israel has the right of first refusal to Jesus, before being blessed by him.
Mark 7:27 is the clearest here
27 But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.
He could not reveal it there and then of course.
Jewish children, since Jews called all gentiles dogs.