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I thought I would share my recent study on this passage since many do not believe Jesus is now a human with a real body.

Colossians 2:9
King James Bible
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily

Now read the Greek below on the present ongoing meaning of DWELLS . The bodily dwelling of Deity is permanent not temporary. The Incarnation was PERMANENT.

κατοικεῖ (katoikei)
Verb - Present Indicative Active - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's Greek 2730: To dwell in, settle in, be established in (permanently), inhabit. From kata and oikeo; to house permanently, i.e. Reside.


8.2 σωματικός, ή, όν; σωματικῶςa: (derivatives of σῶμαa ‘body,’ 8.1) pertaining to a physical body—‘bodily, physical, bodily form.’[1] Louw Nida


Expositor's Greek Testament
Colossians 2:9. in Him and in Him alone.—κατοικεῖ: “permanently dwells”. The reference is to the Exalted State, not only on account of the present, but of the context and Paul’s Christology generally.—πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα τῆς θεότητος: “all the fulness of the Godhead”. πᾶν is emphatic, the whole fulness dwells in Christ.

Body
sōmatikṓs (an adverb, derived from 4984 /sōmatikós which is an adjective derived from 4983 /sṓma, "body") – bodily(used only in Col 2:9)Loew & Nida Greek Lexicon

Never once in the NT is soma ever used of something nonphysical or immaterial .

Paul is talking in Col chapters 2-3 about the glorified resurrected Christ now seated at the right hand of God not the earthly Christ pre resurrection. This is a slam dunk that He is in a human glorified resurrection body and that He continues to have all the fullness of Deity dwelling bodily in the present.

Bodily (σωματικῶς) In bodily fashion or bodily-wise. The verse contains two distinct assertions: 1. That the fullness of the Godhead eternally dwells in Christ. The present tense κατοικεῖ dwelleth, is used like ἐστιν is (the image), Colossians 1:15, to denote an eternal and essential characteristic of Christ's being. The indwelling of the divine fullness in Him is characteristic of Him as Christ, from all ages and to all ages. Hence the fullness of the Godhead dwelt in Him before His incarnation, when He was "in the form of God" (Philippians 2:6). The Word in the beginning, was with God and was God (John 1:1). It dwelt in Him during His incarnation. It was the Word that became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth, and His glory which was beheld was the glory as of the Only begotten of the Father (John 1:14; compare 1 John 1:1-3). The fullness of the Godhead dwells in His glorified humanity in heaven.

2. The fullness of the Godhead dwells in Him in a bodily way, clothed the body. This means that it dwells in Him as one having a human body. This could not be true of His preincarnate state, when He was "in the form of God," for the human body was taken on by Him in the fullness of time, when "He became in the likeness of men" (Philippians 2:7), when the Word became flesh. The fullness of the Godhead dwelt in His person from His birth to His ascension. He carried His human body with Him into heaven, and in His glorified body now and ever dwells the fullness of the Godhead. Vincent Greek Word Studies


(2:9) Commenting on the contents of this verse, Lightfoot says; “The apostle justifies the foregoing charge that the doctrine was not according to Christ: ‘In Christ dwells the whole plērōma (πληρωμα) (fulness, plenitude), the entire fulness of the Godhead, whereas they represent it to you as dispersed among several spiritual agencies. Christ is the fountain-head of all spiritual life, whereas they teach you to seek it in communion with inferior creatures.’ ”


Dwelleth” is katoikei (κατοικει). Oikeō (Ὀικεω) means “to be at home.” Kata (Κατα), prefixed, means “down,” thus showing permanence. The compound verb was used of the permanent residents of a town as compared with the transient community. The verb is in the present tense, showing durative action. The translation reads: “Because in Him there is continuously and permanently at home all the fulness of the Godhead in bodily fashion.”


hope this helps !!!
 
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A body, Yes! But a glorified body.
Revelation 1:
13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with
a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as
a flame of fire;
15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the
sound of many waters.
1 Corinthians 15:
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly,
such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither does corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound,
and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Luke 24:39. Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit has not flesh and bones, as you see me have.

Ephesians 5:30. For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
 
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A body, Yes! But a glorified body.
Revelation 1:
13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with
a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as
a flame of fire;
15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the
sound of many waters.
1 Corinthians 15:
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly,
such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither does corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound,
and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Luke 24:39. Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit has not flesh and bones, as you see me have.

Ephesians 5:30. For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

Agreed a glorified ,immortal, incorruptible and imperishable human body which I have detailed in the Resurrection thread. :)
 
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I wonder why so many people these days do not think Jesus is no longer a real man with a real human body ?

Paul refers to Him as the second Adam! This is why we test a person's spirit with this question:
1 John 4:2. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come
in the flesh is of God:

He is clothed with incorruption and immortality, and we do not know Him simply after the flesh,
but He is The Man.


2 Corinthians 5:16. Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

1 Timothy 2:5. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
 
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I thought I would share my recent study on this passage since many do not believe Jesus is now a human with a real body.

Colossians 2:9
King James Bible
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily

Now read the Greek below on the present ongoing meaning of DWELLS . The bodily dwelling of Deity is permanent not temporary. The Incarnation was PERMANENT.

κατοικεῖ (katoikei)
Verb - Present Indicative Active - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's Greek 2730: To dwell in, settle in, be established in (permanently), inhabit. From kata and oikeo; to house permanently, i.e. Reside.


8.2 σωματικός, ή, όν; σωματικῶςa: (derivatives of σῶμαa ‘body,’ 8.1) pertaining to a physical body—‘bodily, physical, bodily form.’[1] Louw Nida


Expositor's Greek Testament
Colossians 2:9. in Him and in Him alone.—κατοικεῖ: “permanently dwells”. The reference is to the Exalted State, not only on account of the present, but of the context and Paul’s Christology generally.—πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα τῆς θεότητος: “all the fulness of the Godhead”. πᾶν is emphatic, the whole fulness dwells in Christ.

Body
sōmatikṓs (an adverb, derived from 4984 /sōmatikós which is an adjective derived from 4983 /sṓma, "body") – bodily(used only in Col 2:9)Loew & Nida Greek Lexicon

Never once in the NT is soma ever used of something nonphysical or immaterial .

Paul is talking in Col chapters 2-3 about the glorified resurrected Christ now seated at the right hand of God not the earthly Christ pre resurrection. This is a slam dunk that He is in a human glorified resurrection body and that He continues to have all the fullness of Deity dwelling bodily in the present.

Bodily (σωματικῶς) In bodily fashion or bodily-wise. The verse contains two distinct assertions: 1. That the fullness of the Godhead eternally dwells in Christ. The present tense κατοικεῖ dwelleth, is used like ἐστιν is (the image), Colossians 1:15, to denote an eternal and essential characteristic of Christ's being. The indwelling of the divine fullness in Him is characteristic of Him as Christ, from all ages and to all ages. Hence the fullness of the Godhead dwelt in Him before His incarnation, when He was "in the form of God" (Philippians 2:6). The Word in the beginning, was with God and was God (John 1:1). It dwelt in Him during His incarnation. It was the Word that became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth, and His glory which was beheld was the glory as of the Only begotten of the Father (John 1:14; compare 1 John 1:1-3). The fullness of the Godhead dwells in His glorified humanity in heaven.

2. The fullness of the Godhead dwells in Him in a bodily way, clothed the body. This means that it dwells in Him as one having a human body. This could not be true of His preincarnate state, when He was "in the form of God," for the human body was taken on by Him in the fullness of time, when "He became in the likeness of men" (Philippians 2:7), when the Word became flesh. The fullness of the Godhead dwelt in His person from His birth to His ascension. He carried His human body with Him into heaven, and in His glorified body now and ever dwells the fullness of the Godhead. Vincent Greek Word Studies


(2:9) Commenting on the contents of this verse, Lightfoot says; “The apostle justifies the foregoing charge that the doctrine was not according to Christ: ‘In Christ dwells the whole plērōma (πληρωμα) (fulness, plenitude), the entire fulness of the Godhead, whereas they represent it to you as dispersed among several spiritual agencies. Christ is the fountain-head of all spiritual life, whereas they teach you to seek it in communion with inferior creatures.’ ”


Dwelleth” is katoikei (κατοικει). Oikeō (Ὀικεω) means “to be at home.” Kata (Κατα), prefixed, means “down,” thus showing permanence. The compound verb was used of the permanent residents of a town as compared with the transient community. The verb is in the present tense, showing durative action. The translation reads: “Because in Him there is continuously and permanently at home all the fulness of the Godhead in bodily fashion.”


hope this helps !!!
Is the body of Christ of which we are members a "spiritual body, or a physical body?

He carried His human body with Him into heaven, and in His glorified body now and ever dwells the fullness of the Godhead
. Vincent Greek Word Studies
Agree with this with just one little quibble. He was received in a cloud out of their site where his human body was transformed into His glorious body.
 
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Is the body of Christ of which we are members a "spiritual body, or a physical body?

He carried His human body with Him into heaven, and in His glorified body now and ever dwells the fullness of the Godhead
. Vincent Greek Word Studies
Agree with this with just one little quibble. He was received in a cloud out of their site where his human body was transformed into His glorious body.
His body was transformed at the Resurrection into a glorified body, from perishable to imperishable, mortal to immortal, corruptible to incorruptible as per 1 Corinthians 15. See the Resurrection thread.

His body (the church) is not Col 2:9.

Try to stay on topic with the Colossians 2:9 text.

If you want to talk about the church( body of Christ)start another thread. This is about Jesus present human body as per Colossians 2:9.

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here you go brother !

your input is much appreciated

The Resurrection of Jesus
After an elaborate examination of the various views, Haupt puts forward the explanation that σωματ. relates to τ. πλ. τ. θ., and is to be translated “in the form of a body”. The meaning he takes to be that the fulness exists in Christ as a body, that is as a complete and organic whole. This suits the context and the general argument better than the reference to Christ’s own body.
His body was transformed at the Resurrection into a glorified body, from perishable to imperishable, mortal to immortal, corruptible to incorruptible as per 1 Corinthians 15. See the Resurrection thread.

His body (the church) is not Col 2:9.

Try to stay on topic with the Colossians 2:9 text.

If you want to talk about the church( body of Christ)start another thread. This is about Jesus present human body as per Colossians 2:9.

hope this helps !!!
Expositor's Greek Testament
After an elaborate examination of the various views, Haupt puts forward the explanation that σωματ. relates to τ. πλ. τ. θ., and is to be translated “in the form of a body”. The meaning he takes to be that the fulness exists in Christ as a body, that is as a complete and organic whole. This suits the context and the general argument better than the reference to Christ’s own body.

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 4985: σωματικῶς
σωματικῶς, adverb, bodily, corporeally (Vulg.corporaliter), equivalent to ἐν σωματικῷ εἴδει, yet denoting his exalted and spiritual body, visible only to the inhabitants of heaven, Colossians 2:9, where see Meyer (cf. Lightfoot).
 
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After an elaborate examination of the various views, Haupt puts forward the explanation that σωματ. relates to τ. πλ. τ. θ., and is to be translated “in the form of a body”. The meaning he takes to be that the fulness exists in Christ as a body, that is as a complete and organic whole. This suits the context and the general argument better than the reference to Christ’s own body.

Expositor's Greek Testament
After an elaborate examination of the various views, Haupt puts forward the explanation that σωματ. relates to τ. πλ. τ. θ., and is to be translated “in the form of a body”. The meaning he takes to be that the fulness exists in Christ as a body, that is as a complete and organic whole. This suits the context and the general argument better than the reference to Christ’s own body.

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 4985: σωματικῶς
σωματικῶς, adverb, bodily, corporeally (Vulg.corporaliter), equivalent to ἐν σωματικῷ εἴδει, yet denoting his exalted and spiritual body, visible only to the inhabitants of heaven, Colossians 2:9, where see Meyer (cf. Lightfoot).
Of course we cannot see Jesus physical body in heaven. Yet He still has a real physical human body as Colossians 2:9 declares. Its the present tense in the Greek meaning its a continuous dwelling of Deity BODILY. Its permanent just as the doctrine of the Incarnation teaches in Scripture and the Creeds of Christendom.

Your argument is with scripture not me.

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I wonder why so many people these days do not think Jesus is no longer a real man with a real human body ?
Nice catch!
I haven't actually met anyone who's said that although I'm sure there are some who do believe it. I'd question what percentage of Christians actually believe Christ has no human body though.
We certainly focus more on Spirit than flesh but I believe there is Biblical support for that.
 
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Nice catch!
I haven't actually met anyone who's said that although I'm sure there are some who do believe it. I'd question what percentage of Christians actually believe Christ has no human body though.
We certainly focus more on Spirit than flesh but I believe there is Biblical support for that.
I know Catholics are solid when it comes to the Trinity, Deity of Christ and the bodily Resurrection, Ascension of Jesus.

Believe it or not its with non catholics - evangelicals and some protestants. I see this on several forums I've been on over the years.
 
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I know Catholics are solid when it comes to the Trinity, Deity of Christ and the bodily Resurrection, Ascension of Jesus.

Believe it or not its with non catholics - evangelicals and some protestants. I see this on several forums I've been on over the years.
Well unfortunately I probably more total years outside the Catholic Church than in. I was in other Churches during those years and message boards too. Still don't recall anyone claiming that Christ exists as a Spirit without body.

I'm sure there are some but what percentage do you think?
 
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Well unfortunately I probably more total years outside the Catholic Church than in. I was in other Churches during those years and message boards too. Still don't recall anyone claiming that Christ exists as a Spirit without body.

I'm sure there are some but what percentage do you think?
I would say at-least 20% of non catholic christians. This is my experience over the past 25-30 years on forums.
 
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I would say at-least 20% of non catholic christians. This is my experience over the past 25-30 years on forums.
I thought you were talking more like half.
And it sounds like it's almost exclusively a forums thing rather than something you're hearing in Churches?
 
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I thought you were talking more like half.
And it sounds like it's almost exclusively a forums thing rather than something you're hearing in Churches?
Mostly online with professing believers.
 
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