Any scriptural evidence that evangelized Gentiles are to keep the Sabbath?

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Every believer is circumcised...even females.

This is because we have the reality of it explained to us. We have the object of the "shadows" revealed.

But the Messiah's statement in Matthew 24:20 seems to suggest that the full reality of the Sabbath day has yet to be revealed.
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Good point. I have heard it said that when Jesus comes to reign we. Will keep.Sabbath again properly. I can't keep.Sabbath in an old.testament Jewish way now because of health issues and not being able.to access anyone to celebrate it with but it doesn't matter because when Jesus comes he will restore all things.
 
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Every believer is circumcised...even females.
The law requires only males to be physically circumcised. A male who is not circumcised will be excommunicated from Israel. Failure to circumcise is simply transgression of the law. You can circumcise your heart towards the Lord, but if you are a Jew. You are still excommunicated that is the law of the land!
This is because we have the reality of it explained to us. We have the object of the "shadows" revealed.
Jesus is the fulfillment of the law and the prophets. Jesus is the light in whose light the shadows vanish.
But the Messiah's statement in Matthew 24:20 seems to suggest that the full reality of the Sabbath day has yet to be revealed.
You are not reading Matthew 24 correctly. That warning about fleeing Judea was for the Jews alone.
 
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The law requires only males to be physically circumcised. A male who is not circumcised will be excommunicated from Israel. Failure to circumcise is simply transgression of the law. You can circumcise your heart towards the Lord, but if you are a Jew. You are still excommunicated that is the law of the land!Jesus is the fulfillment of the law and the prophets. Jesus is the light in whose light the shadows vanish.You are not reading Matthew 24 correctly. That warning about fleeing Judea was for the Jews alone.


I think it refers to the destruction of Jerusalem rAther the end times but am not clear.on that
 
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You are not reading Matthew 24 correctly. That warning about fleeing Judea was for the Jews alone.

Every shadow has not been fully revealed until the "Consummation". This is why we still work.

The Messiah's statement in Matthew 24:20 seems to suggest that the Sabbath has yet to be fully revealed.

Even to believing Jews (if I grant your view that it is only for Jews). And He says this right after saying that the Gospels will be preached to all nations.

So, even after all nations know the gospel, there will still be Sabbath.
 
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God wants us to rest on the 7th day of the week. Because He created the heaven and the earth in 6 days and rested on the 7th day. In the Jewish culture the 7th day is called Sabbath, in our culture the 7th day is called Sunday. We keep God's command when we rest on Sundays.

The word sabbath means rest, not Saturday. The old covenant sign between God and Israel, was to rest on the seventh day.
 
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The word sabbath means rest, not Saturday. The old covenant sign between God and Israel, was to rest on the seventh day.

Yes. It is good.for the body and mind and soul to just rest physically. After all the Christian life is resting in Christ's finished work 24/7
 
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Every shadow has not been fully revealed until the "Consummation". This is why we still work.
The light shone in the darkness and we are not in the darkness.

John 8:12
Then Jesus again spoke to them, saying, “I am the Light of the world; he who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light of life.”

The shadows have vanished.
The Messiah's statement in Matthew 24:20 seems to suggest that the Sabbath has yet to be fully revealed.
Incorrect, try reading Luke.

Luke 21:23-24
Woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days; for there will be great distress upon the land and wrath to this people; and they will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled under foot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
Even to believing Jews (if I grant your view that it is only for Jews). And He says this right after saying that the Gospels will be preached to all nations.
Of course the wrath was for the Jews only.
So, even after all nations know the gospel, there will still be Sabbath.
Jesus was the only one that the law was written for; Moses testified of the Christ through the law.

The scripture is all about Jesus, He fulfills the law and the prophets. You are a sinner, unrighteous, a law breaker. Unless of course you are a good person, which Jesus and Paul said you are not.

Luke 18:19
And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.

Romans 3:12
All have turned aside, together they have become useless; There is none who does good, There is not even one.

Romans 3:20
Because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

The law grants the knowledge of sin and nothing else, and that is why we establish the law as a yard stick. Not for the purpose of obedience to the law, rather for identifying the messiah and sin. Only Jesus could ever fulfill the requirement of the law.
 
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Are you trying to say that the Sabbath is a commandment since the creation? I'm afraid some people disagree with this. Check out this site: Did Abraham Observe the Sabbath?. It raises interesting points against this view. For example:

1) Did Abraham observe the Sabbath?
2) Did Joseph keep the Sabbath?
3) Did Israel keep the Sabbath in Egypt?

Check out that site.

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In Genesis, we see that there is a universal acceptance of certain wrongs; that reveal, a knowledge of Law from God that was generally known, but was being ignored, lost and transgressed.

i. We see that to be covetous is wrong because Eve coveted the fruit that was forbidden. Genesis 3:6.

ii. We see that murder was sin in Genesis thus a moral law existed for where there is no law, no sin exists. Genesis 4:6-8.

iii. We see that to honor one’s parents was also a recognized moral behavior. Genesis 9:20-25.

iv. We also see that the concept of lying or bearing false witness was a moral consciousness as well in the book of Genesis. Genesis 12:10-13.

v. So also was adultery a sin revealing that some form of moral law existed; in the substructure. Genesis 12:14-20.

vi. Also hating the opposite of love reveals that the moral principle of love existed in Genesis. Genesis 27:41.

vii. Making graven images and even having other gods before God were all in the awareness of the moral consciousness of man in the period covered by Genesis. Genesis 35:1-4. 9

viii. Even taking God’s name in vain which is hypocrisy and insincerity in serving God; was a moral value existing in the period covered by Genesis. Genesis 38:13-19,24-26.

Thus we see that the essence or morals of the commandments existed as a substrata in the period of Genesis, although there is no written account of the Commandments of God. But it does not mean that they did not exist, nor they should not be kept, the proof that they existed and should have been kept is seen in the moral behavior of the people in the accusing and excusing of their behavior.

This explains how all men will be judged by the Law of God, even those in Genesis. Ecclesiastes 12:13,14; James 2:8-12.

The seventh day Sabbath falls into the same category.

Even though it is not seen as part of a code like the other nine clauses of the Law, the fact that it exist in Genesis as a blessed day that is hallowed (sanctified, dedicated to holy use), and was made for man (humanity) as Jesus said, then it too exists as a substrata moral from the very beginning of the world in Genesis. (Genesis 2:1-3; Mark 2:27).

That all the Commandments of God is one unit can be seen in Scripture. (Deuteronomy 4:13; Deuteronomy 5:22; James 2:8-12).

Until the law came at Mt. Sinai sin was in the world and sin is the transgression of the Law, because if the Law did not exist there would be no sin existent. (Romans 5:13; 1 John. 3:4).

So the law of God did exist in Genesis although there is no account of it being written in a coded form and handed to man in Genesis. It is this law that everyone will be judged by, even those that cover the period of Genesis. Ecclesiastes 12:13,14.

Jesus reaffirmed it on Mt. Sinai ...Remember the Sabbath and KEEP it holy.

and again .... Jesus affirms it by pointing back to creation.

Mark 2

27Then Jesus declared, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. 28Therefore, the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.

The law was passed down orally from Genesis (Adam & Eve) onwards until it was written by the hand of God on tablets of stone ... and is evidenced by the behavior of the people.

Sin is transgression of the law ... did people in Genesis sin? YES ... they most certainly did .... the law has always in place.

ALL have sinned (for all time) and fall short of the glory of God ..... what is sin ... transgression of the law.
 
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To follow in the footsteps of Jesus would require you to be circumcised. If you are not circumcised then you are transgressing the law.

The question reduces to whether the Gentiles are under the law. The answer is a firm no to that question.

We are saved by grace through faith.

Galatians 3:12
However, the Law is not of faith...

We are in a new covenant in Christ and that is by faith.

We ARE circumcised (spiritually) .... the heart.

The question reduces to whether the Gentiles are under the law. The answer is a firm no to that question.

Oh ... so gentiles can have other gods before them, ok to commit murder, ok to commit adultery, ok to covet, ok lie, ok to bear false witness ??????

I mean really?
 
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In Genesis, we see that there is a universal acceptance of certain wrongs; that reveal, a knowledge of Law from God that was generally known, but was being ignored, lost and transgressed.

i. We see that to be covetous is wrong because Eve coveted the fruit that was forbidden. Genesis 3:6.

ii. We see that murder was sin in Genesis thus a moral law existed for where there is no law, no sin exists. Genesis 4:6-8.

iii. We see that to honor one’s parents was also a recognized moral behavior. Genesis 9:20-25.

iv. We also see that the concept of lying or bearing false witness was a moral consciousness as well in the book of Genesis. Genesis 12:10-13.

v. So also was adultery a sin revealing that some form of moral law existed; in the substructure. Genesis 12:14-20.

vi. Also hating the opposite of love reveals that the moral principle of love existed in Genesis. Genesis 27:41.

vii. Making graven images and even having other gods before God were all in the awareness of the moral consciousness of man in the period covered by Genesis. Genesis 35:1-4. 9

viii. Even taking God’s name in vain which is hypocrisy and insincerity in serving God; was a moral value existing in the period covered by Genesis. Genesis 38:13-19,24-26.

Thus we see that the essence or morals of the commandments existed as a substrata in the period of Genesis, although there is no written account of the Commandments of God. But it does not mean that they did not exist, nor they should not be kept, the proof that they existed and should have been kept is seen in the moral behavior of the people in the accusing and excusing of their behavior.

None of these examples are about the Sabbath. Show at least a single case of someone being rebuked for not keeping the Sabbath or encouraged to keep it prior to Moses.
 
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None of these examples are about the Sabbath. Show at least a single case of someone being rebuked for not keeping the Sabbath or encouraged to keep it prior to Moses.

Romans 13:9
For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment (including the 4th, also would include honor your father & mother ie any of them), are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
 
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I posted a set of verses earlier that indicated we'll not go to hell for not keeping the sabbath, and I still believe that is the case.

However, pretty sure it was this thread where someone posted:

Matthew 5:19
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"19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

And I'm glad they did post it as it was a reminder to add to what I mentioned. Just because we won't go to hell for not keeping the Sabbath. Doesn't mean we should not keep it, and Matthew makes that 100% clear, no question about it.

I just don't want to be held responsible in case anyone thought I meant we should not keep the sabbath, because I dont want to be one of those guys who are less in the heaven. :eek:

I learned something interesting from this, clearly not all commandments are damnable sins. Not even sure I ever even thought about it till now, but though it's good to get them narrowed down, I suppose they all should be kept, and taught.

So, can anyone list the least commandments from this:

"Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments,"
 
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Romans 13:9
For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment (including the 4th, also would include honor your father & mother ie any of them), are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

That's not answering the request. That's not an example of someone keeping the Sabbath prior to Moses. The word "Sabbath" is not even mentioned in that passage.
 
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Every shadow has not been fully revealed until the "Consummation". This is why we still work.

The Messiah's statement in Matthew 24:20 seems to suggest that the Sabbath has yet to be fully revealed.

Even to believing Jews (if I grant your view that it is only for Jews). And He says this right after saying that the Gospels will be preached to all nations.

So, even after all nations know the gospel, there will still be Sabbath.

Probably of interest: I created a thread to specifically discuss this verse: Is Jesus implying that He expects his disciples to keep the Sabbath in Matthew 24:20?
 
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We ARE circumcised (spiritually) .... the heart.



Oh ... so gentiles can have other gods before them, ok to commit murder, ok to commit adultery, ok to covet, ok lie, ok to bear false witness ??????

I mean really?
If a Gentile believes in Jesus then there are no other Gods. I am surprised that you would make that claim?

A Gentile is asked to love others as Christ has loved us. That is a commandment. That is divine love and a love that is not conditional.

Cain killing Abel was the opposite of love.

Theft is the opposite of love.

Jesus fulfilled the law not you.
 
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I posted a set of verses earlier that indicated we'll not go to hell for not keeping the sabbath, and I still believe that is the case.

However, pretty sure it was this thread where someone posted:

Matthew 5:19
King James Version


"19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

And I'm glad they did post it as it was a reminder to add to what I mentioned. Just because we won't go to hell for not keeping the Sabbath. Doesn't mean we should not keep it, and Matthew makes that 100% clear, no question about it.

I just don't want to be held responsible in case anyone thought I meant we should not keep the sabbath, because I dont want to be one of those guys who are less in the heaven. :eek:

I learned something interesting from this, clearly not all commandments are damnable sins. Not even sure I ever even thought about it till now, but though it's good to get them narrowed down, I suppose they all should be kept, and taught.

So, can anyone list the least commandments from this:

"Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments,"
Here is one of those least commandments.

Matthew 12:31-32
Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.
 
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I posted a set of verses earlier that indicated we'll not go to hell for not keeping the sabbath, and I still believe that is the case.

However, pretty sure it was this thread where someone posted:

Matthew 5:19
King James Version


"19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

And I'm glad they did post it as it was a reminder to add to what I mentioned. Just because we won't go to hell for not keeping the Sabbath. Doesn't mean we should not keep it, and Matthew makes that 100% clear, no question about it.

I just don't want to be held responsible in case anyone thought I meant we should not keep the sabbath, because I dont want to be one of those guys who are less in the heaven. :eek:

I learned something interesting from this, clearly not all commandments are damnable sins. Not even sure I ever even thought about it till now, but though it's good to get them narrowed down, I suppose they all should be kept, and taught.

So, can anyone list the least commandments from this:

"Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments,"
Sin that carries a death sentence.

Cursing God, Leviticus 24:10–16

Women brides who are not virgins, Deuteronomy 22:13–21

Sexual intercourse between a man and a woman engaged to another man in a town, since she did not cry out, Deuteronomy 22:23-24; both parties should be stoned to death.

Forced sexual intercourse between a man and a woman engaged to another man in a field, where no one could hear her cries and save her, Deuteronomy 22:25-27; the man should be stoned.

Sexual intercourse between two men, Leviticus 20:13.
 
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