Can the Dietary Law Get You Cut Off From God

Junia · Sep 26, 2020

Bro.T said:
Israel slavery begin in Egypt and in captivity now, under the Gentiles. Lets take a look at Deuteronomy 28: 68 And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you. Going back to Egypt again started Israelites under the Gentile nation.

Lets go into the future in Deuteronomy 30: 1 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the ablessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the Lord thy God hath driven thee,

2 And shalt return unto the Lord thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;

3 That then the Lord thy God will turn thy captivity, and have bcompassion upon thee, and will return and cgather thee from all the nations, whither the Lord thy God hath scattered thee.

4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the Lord thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:

5 And the Lord thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.

we are no longer.slaves.we.are.children of God. Free forever!!!

pescador · Sep 26, 2020

Bro.T said:
I agree, but that connects with verse 17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; we cant loose sight on the things the Lord call sin. Paul says the same thing in Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope. Hardly no one wants to stop doing something that they didn't no was sin, that they
enjoyed. (Although unclean foods the Lord called abomination) But this lesson or topic is Jude 24, this is how the Lord keep us from falling.

Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you. And the coney, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you. And the hare (rabbit), because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you. And the swine (pig, pork), though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you. Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you. (Leviticus 11:4-8)

These are the beasts that shall not be eaten. Why? Because the Lord said so! Take a look at this verse in the book of St. John. Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you (John 15:14). So, if an individual call themselves a Christian or a friend of Christ, the swine (pig) should never be on your dinner plate or anything else that the Lord deems unclean. Remember that Christ is the ONE that gave the dietary law. Remember Christ was the Rock that followed our fathers in the cloud in the wilderness. Remember, He is the Lord and He change not. Remember Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever! It has nothing to do with an animal being a scavenger or anything else.

It has to do with thus say the Lord. He is the one that created us, HE knows what's good or not for His creation.

What you post is in contradiction to the New Covenant, the freedom that we have in Jesus Christ. You can eat whatever you want; there are no unclean foods.

Matthew 15:10-11, Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen and understand. What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.”

Strong in Him · Sep 27, 2020

Bro.T said:
You have to know which laws were nail to the cross and which ones were not.

None of the law was nailed to the cross.
If it had been, then that means it's been done away with, and Jesus told the Pharisees he had not come to abolish the law but to fulfil it.
Furthermore, if some of the law in Leviticus has been done away with but other parts haven't, then you are being selective and are certainly not obeying EVERY word which comes from the mouth of God.

Bro.T said:
Once you have that knowledge and understanding then you can apply the rest.

You can if you like.

Bro.T said:
These are the things one must do to set themselves apart from the rest, that don't know God, to be sanctify.

This is what the Hebrew had to do to set themselves apart from others - dedicate themselves only to the one, true God and keep his law.

I am not under the law; my ancestors were not the one who were given it and I was not brought up to observe it.
I have Jesus.
Refusing to eat a bacon sandwich will not make me holy or bring me closer to God. I have no chance of holiness without Jesus.
Buying up the entire stock of pork/bacon/ham/gammon from Sainsbury's and throwing it in the River Dee will not make me holy. I don't eat shellfish, and I am no holier than those who do.

Jesus fulfils the Jewish law that I was never under.
Jesus saves, not the law.
If the Israelites had been able to keep the law and the covenant God made with them, perfectly, it might have saved, they might have been an example as God's people and a light to the Gentiles, and there probably would have been no need for Jesus to have come. The Israelites were unable to keep the law they had been given. They broke it, and God's Covenant, over and over again - they had made an idol for themselves before Moses even came back down the mountain with the 10 commandments. Even Peter said that his ancestors had been unable to keep God's law, Acts of the Apostles 15:10.
God's covenant was frequently broken - not by God; by those who were supposed to be his people.

God's covenant, which was not given to Gentiles, was repeatedly broken, a new one was made, which renders the old one ineffective, and you even say that some of it was nailed to the cross. I think we can agree with the writer of the Hebrews that the old covenant has gone, cannot save, is ineffective and will soon disappear.
The new covenant is made on, by and centres around, Jesus.
The work of God is not to obey the law perfectly, but to believe in Jesus, John 6:29.
God's will is that we believe in Jesus and have eternal life, John 6:40.
Only Jesus gives eternal life, John 3:16, John 3:36, John 6:53, 1 John 5:12 - not Jesus + the law.
Only Jesus is the way to the Father, John 14:6 - not Jesus + not eating pork.
Only Jesus saves, Acts of the Apostles 4:12 - not Jesus + abstaining from certain foods.
Only Jesus has reconciled us to God, Romans 5:11, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19.
If we remain in Jesus we will bear much fruit which glorifies God, John 15:5, become new creations, 2 Corinthians 5:17 and have every Spiritual blessing, Ephesians 1:3. If we are in Jesus, not the law; Jesus, we can ask anything in his name.
If we do not come to Jesus and remain in him we will not have eternal life and will be cut off from God, John 3:36, John 15:6.

Jesus is all that we need.
Accepting a bacon sandwich will not defile me - accepting Jesus makes me holy.
Refusing to eat pork and shellfish will not give me eternal life, make me holy or be a witness which brings others to God - accepting Jesus, living in him and for him is what will make the difference. No sinner has ever been brought to God by the food laws, they come to God because of his amazing love, expressed in Jesus. No one has ever said, "I live a life of crime, doing drugs, drinking and beating up the wife - and I was made holy when I gave up pork". No one was ever made a new creation, given a new heart, forgiveness and eternal life by not eating prawns.

So I will leave you to your proof texts and your works. I'll let you explain to Jesus why his death on the cross is not enough, and to show the Father how you decided to improve on his Gospel of salvation.

Jesus is all I need. I'm sorry if the Son of God is not enough for you.

Goodbye.

pescador · Sep 27, 2020

Strong in Him said:
None of the law was nailed to the cross.
If it had been, then that means it's been done away with, and Jesus told the Pharisees he had not come to abolish the law but to fulfil it.
Furthermore, if some of the law in Leviticus has been done away with but other parts haven't, then you are being selective and are certainly not obeying EVERY word which comes from the mouth of God.

You can if you like.

This is what the Hebrew had to do to set themselves apart from others - dedicate themselves only to the one, true God and keep his law.

I am not under the law; my ancestors were not the one who were given it and I was not brought up to observe it.
I have Jesus.
Refusing to eat a bacon sandwich will not make me holy or bring me closer to God. I have no chance of holiness without Jesus.
Buying up the entire stock of pork/bacon/ham/gammon from Sainsbury's and throwing it in the River Dee will not make me holy. I don't eat shellfish, and I am no holier than those who do.

Jesus fulfils the Jewish law that I was never under.
Jesus saves, not the law.
If the Israelites had been able to keep the law and the covenant God made with them, perfectly, it might have saved, they might have been an example as God's people and a light to the Gentiles, and there probably would have been no need for Jesus to have come. The Israelites were unable to keep the law they had been given. They broke it, and God's Covenant, over and over again - they had made an idol for themselves before Moses even came back down the mountain with the 10 commandments. Even Peter said that his ancestors had been unable to keep God's law, Acts of the Apostles 15:10.
God's covenant was frequently broken - not by God; by those who were supposed to be his people.

God's covenant, which was not given to Gentiles, was repeatedly broken, a new one was made, which renders the old one ineffective, and you even say that some of it was nailed to the cross. I think we can agree with the writer of the Hebrews that the old covenant has gone, cannot save, is ineffective and will soon disappear.
The new covenant is made on, by and centres around, Jesus.
The work of God is not to obey the law perfectly, but to believe in Jesus, John 6:29.
God's will is that we believe in Jesus and have eternal life, John 6:40.
Only Jesus gives eternal life, John 3:16, John 3:36, John 6:53, 1 John 5:12 - not Jesus + the law.
Only Jesus is the way to the Father, John 14:6 - not Jesus + not eating pork.
Only Jesus saves, Acts of the Apostles 4:12 - not Jesus + abstaining from certain foods.
Only Jesus has reconciled us to God, Romans 5:11, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19.
If we remain in Jesus we will bear much fruit which glorifies God, John 15:5, become new creations, 2 Corinthians 5:17 and have every Spiritual blessing, Ephesians 1:3. If we are in Jesus, not the law; Jesus, we can ask anything in his name.
If we do not come to Jesus and remain in him we will not have eternal life and will be cut off from God, John 3:36, John 15:6.

Jesus is all that we need.
Accepting a bacon sandwich will not defile me - accepting Jesus makes me holy.
Refusing to eat pork and shellfish will not give me eternal life, make me holy or be a witness which brings others to God - accepting Jesus, living in him and for him is what will make the difference. No sinner has ever been brought to God by the food laws, they come to God because of his amazing love, expressed in Jesus. No one has ever said, "I live a life of crime, doing drugs, drinking and beating up the wife - and I was made holy when I gave up pork". No one was ever made a new creation, given a new heart, forgiveness and eternal life by not eating prawns.

So I will leave you to your proof texts and your works. I'll let you explain to Jesus why his death on the cross is not enough, and to show the Father how you decided to improve on his Gospel of salvation.

Jesus is all I need. I'm sorry if the Son of God is not enough for you.

Goodbye.

Everyone should read this message over and over until they understand it -- totally, in their innermost being. Then stop these foolish arguments about food separating us from God!

Bro.T--2 · Sep 27, 2020

Strong in Him said:
None of the law was nailed to the cross.
If it had been, then that means it's been done away with, and Jesus told the Pharisees he had not come to abolish the law but to fulfil it.
Furthermore, if some of the law in Leviticus has been done away with but other parts haven't, then you are being selective and are certainly not obeying EVERY word which comes from the mouth of God.

You can if you like.

This is what the Hebrew had to do to set themselves apart from others - dedicate themselves only to the one, true God and keep his law.

I am not under the law; my ancestors were not the one who were given it and I was not brought up to observe it.
I have Jesus.
Refusing to eat a bacon sandwich will not make me holy or bring me closer to God. I have no chance of holiness without Jesus.
Buying up the entire stock of pork/bacon/ham/gammon from Sainsbury's and throwing it in the River Dee will not make me holy. I don't eat shellfish, and I am no holier than those who do.

Jesus fulfils the Jewish law that I was never under.
Jesus saves, not the law.
If the Israelites had been able to keep the law and the covenant God made with them, perfectly, it might have saved, they might have been an example as God's people and a light to the Gentiles, and there probably would have been no need for Jesus to have come. The Israelites were unable to keep the law they had been given. They broke it, and God's Covenant, over and over again - they had made an idol for themselves before Moses even came back down the mountain with the 10 commandments. Even Peter said that his ancestors had been unable to keep God's law, Acts of the Apostles 15:10.
God's covenant was frequently broken - not by God; by those who were supposed to be his people.

God's covenant, which was not given to Gentiles, was repeatedly broken, a new one was made, which renders the old one ineffective, and you even say that some of it was nailed to the cross. I think we can agree with the writer of the Hebrews that the old covenant has gone, cannot save, is ineffective and will soon disappear.
The new covenant is made on, by and centres around, Jesus.
The work of God is not to obey the law perfectly, but to believe in Jesus, John 6:29.
God's will is that we believe in Jesus and have eternal life, John 6:40.
Only Jesus gives eternal life, John 3:16, John 3:36, John 6:53, 1 John 5:12 - not Jesus + the law.
Only Jesus is the way to the Father, John 14:6 - not Jesus + not eating pork.
Only Jesus saves, Acts of the Apostles 4:12 - not Jesus + abstaining from certain foods.
Only Jesus has reconciled us to God, Romans 5:11, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19.
If we remain in Jesus we will bear much fruit which glorifies God, John 15:5, become new creations, 2 Corinthians 5:17 and have every Spiritual blessing, Ephesians 1:3. If we are in Jesus, not the law; Jesus, we can ask anything in his name.
If we do not come to Jesus and remain in him we will not have eternal life and will be cut off from God, John 3:36, John 15:6.

Jesus is all that we need.
Accepting a bacon sandwich will not defile me - accepting Jesus makes me holy.
Refusing to eat pork and shellfish will not give me eternal life, make me holy or be a witness which brings others to God - accepting Jesus, living in him and for him is what will make the difference. No sinner has ever been brought to God by the food laws, they come to God because of his amazing love, expressed in Jesus. No one has ever said, "I live a life of crime, doing drugs, drinking and beating up the wife - and I was made holy when I gave up pork". No one was ever made a new creation, given a new heart, forgiveness and eternal life by not eating prawns.

So I will leave you to your proof texts and your works. I'll let you explain to Jesus why his death on the cross is not enough, and to show the Father how you decided to improve on his Gospel of salvation.

Jesus is all I need. I'm sorry if the Son of God is not enough for you.

Goodbye.

There are those who believe that because Christ overcame sin and kept the law that now we don't have to keep God's laws. But what do the Scriptures tell us?

Jesus says in (Mat.5:17-19) (v.17) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. (v.18) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. (v.19) Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus came to fulfill, but not all . He fulfilled many prophecies - but not all. There are many in the Book of Revelation still to be fulfilled. There is still some in the Old Testament that hasn’t been fulfilled. Jesus at His first coming came to fulfilled that which was written for Him to fulfill at His first coming. He has NOT fulfilled everything that was written for Him to do. No matter how you think about Jesus, there is still much to be fulfilled! So not even the smallest part has yet passed from God's Law! Jesus made it quite clear that anyone who would break even the least commandment and teach people to do so would be called the least in the kingdom of heaven.

The fact is, God did not find fault with His laws but rather with the people who did not obey them. Paul says in (Heb.8:7-8) (v.7) For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. (v.8) For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Paul then proceeds to quote Jeremiah 31:31-34, quoted above. Under the New Covenant we now have a living High Priest, Jesus Christ, who can make intercession for us. One who was tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin. He is an intercessor who understands our weaknesses because He lived as a human being. God does not make one set of rules for one group of people and another set for another. He is not a respecter of persons.

Pay attention to Paul is saying here....Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. (Galatians 3:19)

Take heed to what Paul's says above, "Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions." What is transgression? Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. (I John 3:4) Transgression is braking of the commandments. What law was added because of the braking of the law? The sacrificial law! Paul is simply asking these Gentiles, "why perform the sacrificial law? It was added because of sin until the seed should come. Who is the seed? Let's back up in this chapter and find out.

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of one, and to thy seed, which is Christ. (Galatians 3:16) Who is the SEED? CHRIST! So, this law was added (which is the sacrificial law) until Christ came. What was the sacrificial law used for until Christ came? Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. (Galatians 3:24) This is the law that was nail to the cross.

The sacrificial law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ. Before we continue, we must clear one thing up. Are we justified by faith alone? Let's see. Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. (Romans 3:31) What law is established? Certainly not the sacrificial law, we have seen above that it was added because of transgression until the Seed came (which was Christ).

Bro.T--2 · Sep 27, 2020

pescador said:
What you post is in contradiction to the New Covenant, the freedom that we have in Jesus Christ. You can eat whatever you want; there are no unclean foods.

Matthew 15:10-11, Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen and understand. What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.”

Let's continue reading down in Matthew 15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. 19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: 20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man. So Jesus is not talking about food, he talking sin. This conversation has nothing to do with food here.

Bro.T--2 · Sep 27, 2020

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:
we are no longer.slaves.we.are.children of God. Free forever!!!

I don't know who you are or who you think you are, but according to the BIble Israel is still in captivity. In Joel 3:1-3, the Lord is speaking of the time when he will return the real Jews to their own Country. Vs. 2 is saying that at the same time the Lord will gather all nations in one place to plead with them (do battle) because of what they have done to the real Jews- because they have captured and sold them (the real Jews), and the whole coast of Palestine/ Middle East have taken their possessions, and divided the Jews' land among themselves. In Vs.3 and 4 the Lord is telling all of these nations that whatever they would repay him, it is not enough for what they have done to his people. Therefore, if they try to repay him, he will return it upon their own head. Why? Because the nations (all nations) have taken the real Jews and cast lots for them (bided for them/or auctioned them off like animals), and given a boy for an harlot (men traded or gave slave boys instead of money in payment to sleep with a prostitute), and sold a slave girl for wine (traded a young girl for some liquor). Vs. 5 and 6. The nations have taken valuables and riches of the real Jews and carried them into their own temples, and have taken the Jews themselves and sold them to the sons of the Greeks, and to other nations, and removed them far from their own borders.

Lets look into the future again concerning Israel in Jeremiah 30:3 For, lo, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the LORD: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it. 10 Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the LORD; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid. 16 Therefore all they that devour thee shall be devoured; and all thine adversaries, every one of them, shall go into captivity; and they that spoil thee shall be a spoil, and all that prey upon thee will I give for a prey.
18 Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will bring again the captivity of Jacob's tents, and have mercy on his dwellingplaces; and the city shall be builded upon her own heap, and the palace shall remain after the manner thereof.

Jesus will make a second coming and bring all this to past, until then Israel will stay in captivity.

Bro.T--2 · Sep 27, 2020

pescador said:
I repeat: => Christians are not under the law! <= Christ set us free from the law, a.k.a., the Old Covenant, by His death. If you obey the OT law you are denying Christ!

Since you said "And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis" it is obvious that you don't understand salvation or the power of God. John 6:39, "And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day."

I repeat to: Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus. And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past.

We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time. So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because all have sinned, and if you continue to live you will sin again. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. Learning how to love God is life time journey, pulling yourself away from the world is not as easy.

Paul says in (Colo. 1:22-23) (v.22) In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: (v.23) If ye continue in the faith grounded and settle, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister. You must continue in the faith and not be moved by the cares of the world. It’s more than confessing the name of Jesus, salvation is a work in progress you must take it one day at a time. It is a sad thing to believe that once you say that you believe on Christ your journey is done. You have only taken the first steps toward learning about the true and living God.

Junia · Sep 27, 2020

Bro.T said:
I don't know who you are or who you think you are, but according to the BIble Israel is still in captivity. In Joel 3:1-3, the Lord is speaking of the time when he will return the real Jews to their own Country. Vs. 2 is saying that at the same time the Lord will gather all nations in one place to plead with them (do battle) because of what they have done to the real Jews- because they have captured and sold them (the real Jews), and the whole coast of Palestine/ Middle East have taken their possessions, and divided the Jews' land among themselves. In Vs.3 and 4 the Lord is telling all of these nations that whatever they would repay him, it is not enough for what they have done to his people. Therefore, if they try to repay him, he will return it upon their own head. Why? Because the nations (all nations) have taken the real Jews and cast lots for them (bided for them/or auctioned them off like animals), and given a boy for an harlot (men traded or gave slave boys instead of money in payment to sleep with a prostitute), and sold a slave girl for wine (traded a young girl for some liquor). Vs. 5 and 6. The nations have taken valuables and riches of the real Jews and carried them into their own temples, and have taken the Jews themselves and sold them to the sons of the Greeks, and to other nations, and removed them far from their own borders.

Lets look into the future again concerning Israel in Jeremiah 30:3 For, lo, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the LORD: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it. 10 Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the LORD; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid. 16 Therefore all they that devour thee shall be devoured; and all thine adversaries, every one of them, shall go into captivity; and they that spoil thee shall be a spoil, and all that prey upon thee will I give for a prey.
18 Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will bring again the captivity of Jacob's tents, and have mercy on his dwellingplaces; and the city shall be builded upon her own heap, and the palace shall remain after the manner thereof.

Jesus will make a second coming and bring all this to past, until then Israel will stay in captivity.

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I think that prophecy is being fulfilled already. The Jews have been scattered across the whole earth, many nations but are now being returned to Israel. Many of them from.the former USSR and Ethiopia

I know who I am. Yes I am of Jewish heritage, partly, but I am a daughter of the most high God. Nothing to do with my race but because of what Jesus did 2000 years ago. All who call on the Lord and receive this will be saved.

heaven is going to be very exciting because it will be full of vast numbers of people from all around the world

Bro.T--2 · Sep 28, 2020

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:
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I think that prophecy is being fulfilled already. The Jews have been scattered across the whole earth, many nations but are now being returned to Israel. Many of them from.the former USSR and Ethiopia

I know who I am. Yes I am of Jewish heritage, partly, but I am a daughter of the most high God. Nothing to do with my race but because of what Jesus did 2000 years ago. All who call on the Lord and receive this will be saved.

heaven is going to be very exciting because it will be full of vast numbers of people from all around the world

It's impossible for prophecy to be fulfilled concerning Israel because Jesus has not made his second coming yet. Also, see Ezekiel chapters 35-36, the Edomites (those who claim to be Jews), which are also known and called by the names of Mount Seir, Bozrah, Teman, and Idumea, are spoken against by the Lord. The Lord tells of how they shed the blood of the Israelites (Jews), and said, "These two nations and these two countries (speaking of Judah and Samaria) shall be theirs (Edom's) in possession, and they will possess it, whereas the Lord was there."

The 36th chapter of Ezekiel tells us that Edom has done just that! For the Lord said, "Thus said the Lord God, because the enemy has said, aha, even the ancient high places are ours in possession." Read on and the Lord will tell you that they (Idumea, which is still Edom) have appointed his land (land of Israel) into their possession with the joy of all their heart, and with despiteful minds to cast it out for a prey.

But ask yourself, why do the people that the world has accepted as being the Jews, have such hard times, such as the trouble they had with Germany and the trouble with the Arab nations? Because of what they did to the real Jews, that's why! See Obadiah 9th and 10th verses and read on. Also, see Ezekiel 35:6-15. The Lord said "when the whole world rejoiceth", he will make Edom most desolate. I refer you to Revelation 2:9 and 3:9. The Lord, in both of these places speaks of a people that say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; but they are the Synagogue of Satan.

Another future event...Pay close attention to Isaiah 11:5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. (here your test, go to the zoo, throw straw and steak in the lion cage, if the Lion go for the steak, Israel is still in captivity)

8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den. 9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

None of this has happen yet, this is all future. No child can play with a snake (asp) without getting bit and die, or cockatrice den.

12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Junia · Sep 28, 2020

Bro.T said:
It's impossible for prophecy to be fulfilled concerning Israel because Jesus has not made his second coming yet. Also, see Ezekiel chapters 35-36, the Edomites (those who claim to be Jews), which are also known and called by the names of Mount Seir, Bozrah, Teman, and Idumea, are spoken against by the Lord. The Lord tells of how they shed the blood of the Israelites (Jews), and said, "These two nations and these two countries (speaking of Judah and Samaria) shall be theirs (Edom's) in possession, and they will possess it, whereas the Lord was there."

The 36th chapter of Ezekiel tells us that Edom has done just that! For the Lord said, "Thus said the Lord God, because the enemy has said, aha, even the ancient high places are ours in possession." Read on and the Lord will tell you that they (Idumea, which is still Edom) have appointed his land (land of Israel) into their possession with the joy of all their heart, and with despiteful minds to cast it out for a prey.

But ask yourself, why do the people that the world has accepted as being the Jews, have such hard times, such as the trouble they had with Germany and the trouble with the Arab nations? Because of what they did to the real Jews, that's why! See Obadiah 9th and 10th verses and read on. Also, see Ezekiel 35:6-15. The Lord said "when the whole world rejoiceth", he will make Edom most desolate. I refer you to Revelation 2:9 and 3:9. The Lord, in both of these places speaks of a people that say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; but they are the Synagogue of Satan.

Another future event...Pay close attention to Isaiah 11:5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. (here your test, go to the zoo, throw straw and steak in the lion cage, if the Lion go for the steak, Israel is still in captivity)

8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den. 9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

None of this has happen yet, this is all future. No child can play with a snake (asp) without getting bit and die, or cockatrice den.

12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Ah ok. I see. so the real Jews have not yet been revealed?

Question: do the real Jews know who they are? If so why are they not coming out of hiding and declaring themselves Jews???? Ned doing to claim Israel by force???

Junia · Sep 28, 2020

I imagine though they !just all be scattered in many different nations. Maybe they don't even know who they are???

also why has Satan used antichrists like Hitler, Stalin etc to destroy the "fake"Jews so many times of they aren't the true Israel? It seems strange that they are hated by everyone for no reason? I always thought the reason these fake Jews were persecuted so much was Satan trying to destroy israel??

Thanks for the info. You gentiles know such a lot. Am impressed

Bro.T--2 · Sep 29, 2020

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:
Ah ok. I see. so the real Jews have not yet been revealed?

Question: do the real Jews know who they are? If so why are they not coming out of hiding and declaring themselves Jews???? Ned doing to claim Israel by force???

Paul say in Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. So yes they know, but not all. Its not a lot to be proud about, to have to suffer in life like this. Keep in mind also what Paul says in Roman 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: so it still that problem.

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