Being prochoice Christian conservative why is this seen as unusual?

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I have been told I am sinning because I intend to be sterilized if I marry.

"Sin" is internally decided and not the result of the evaluation of kooks and bone-heads.
 
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My wife was a midwife for many years (now retired). I know A LOT about abortion, including the toll it takes on the many people involved: the family and the caregivers. I don't follow the media BS; I follow the people whose lives are affected by the medical decisions they make. => Nobody takes the abortion of a fetus lightly! <= If the fetus stands zero chance of survival outside the womb, if the mother's life is in danger and she has other children, if the fetus has a fatal abnormality that insures it will live a very, very short, painful life even if it survives birth, and other similar situations... These are situations that MUST be decided by the woman, her physician, and the family, NOT by the government!!

Get real!
Abortion is only ok when you say it is.... When you think that life isn't worth living but ive already pointed out the quality of life of everyone in society is lessened with other situations of abortion. I'm responding to abortion due to medical illness the UN orn may have.


Lastly I never said abortion was an easy decision it would be easier if birth control was 100% effective
 
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By that logic birth control is against the Bible of which I don't believe e because I believe in GODS WILL.


I'm not saying everyone will be but with that outloon brings the Outlook of lack of value to the traditional family

I've had only one husband. I never engaged in intercourse with anyone else. We were a couple of weeks shy of our 43 anniversary when cancer terminated his life. I don't understand why you are being so judgmental. Sometimes a divorce has to occur and and sometimes a spouse abandons his/her partner. Other times a spouse can die accidentally(hundreds or thousands of ways). That does not mean the surviving spouse or abandoned spouse did not value a traditional family. And there are abandoned spouses whose children are freed from an abusive parent!

We really can't define a "traditional family." God chose our parents, the places we are born, the time we are born, the time we die, etc.

My great-grandmother was born 1 year and 2 months before her father's death caused by illness when he was 32.
 
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"Sin" is internally decided and not the evaluation of kooks and bone-heads.

Well I think Gods.word.determines what is sin or not but since being deliberately childless (as opposed to being barren and hating it ) and contraceptives are not mentioned in the Bible (unless.you.count
Onan whose motives were.very.selfish) then I don't really feel convicted in any way
 
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I do not understand why Republicans say they are pro-life and are against gun control laws. They want the law to allow gun sales to convicted murderers and felons.

How many republicans want that to happen? I don't.
 
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Abortion is only ok when you say it is.... When you think that life isn't worth living but ive already pointed out the quality of life of everyone in society is lessened with other situations of abortion. I'm responding to abortion due to medical illness the UN orn may have.


Lastly I never said abortion was an easy decision it would be easier if birth control was 100% effective

I love the JOY that special needs children bring!
 
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Yes, I understand that you do not see an unborn baby as having life. And I've heard the "property" issue many times.

I don't have a right to personally condemn you and make you feel guilty because I have sin in my own life. I will be praying, however, for the Holy Spirit to bring conviction to you as that is his job, not mine.

And conviction from Him can bring peace, healing, repentance, and spiritual growth.

I do not and cannot see an unborn baby as someone's "property" to dispose of if not wanted.

And as for there being a drop in nuclear families - I cannot reconcile that with killing the unborn children just because there is only one parent. Where does that stop? My 57 year old brother is retarded, autistic, legally blind, and partially deaf.

Should society kill him because there is only my mother and I to take care of him? Is he "property" for my mother to dispose of as she is now elderly and needs help taking care of him and there is no help?

God forbid. He is a blessing to my mother and I.

Life is life - unborn or 110. Life is not the property of someone else.

We are going to have to just disagree there.

I will leave you with this. I have had great sin in my life. Great sin. And I can tell you that taking it privately to God - just He and I - has been healing in so many ways I never dreamed of.

People may condemn, but God forgives the humble and gives grace to them.
Your brother doesn't degrade society as a whole .that's not the same.

Just because it's becoming a fully formed human doesn't mean it is.bei g and becoming g are different.

And you can't make me feel guilty I was not talking about opinions moremy question is how it's associated with Christian conservative when there are Christian conservative who various view on the topic of abortion
 
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God doesn't care of you are Conservative, liberal or whatever. He cares that you love Him


For what it's worth I am 98% against abortion. Exception being where the life of mother is in danger which I believe accounts for a very small percentage of abortions

Where I am unusual as a christian is I do advocate for the use of contraception because I believe not all Christian wives are called to be mother s. I don't support a single woman being on the pill just so she can formulate but married Christians can use non abortificent forms of birth control. some can cope with 20 children but many cannot cope with even one. An autistic Christian husband I know of decided he couldn't cope with being a dad and he and his wife are both very poor so they never did have children. That is fine.
Me too I'm definitely for birth control always gave been it never made sense why someone wouldn't be
 
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Me too I'm definitely for birth control always gave been it never made sense why someone wouldn't be

And in many cases it might prevent abortion. because there are married women having abortions because they can't afford another baby.or because even though they can carry a child to term without it threatening their life they would not be able to raise the baby due to disability
 
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I have been told I am sinning because I intend to be sterilized if I marry. due to health reasons having and raising children would not be an option for me . I think as long as the man who I marry is aware of this before we the the knot then that is fine.. If he wants to be a father I would advise him to forget me and choose another.

There are two extremes. On one end is a non Christian woman who is single and sleeps with men and uses abortion like a form of contraceptives. That is one end of the spectrum and at the other is the Quiverfull wife who believes family planning is sinful and will not use contraceptives even if she cannot afford more children or her health is poor. Ok, the latter isn't actually sinning in any way and if she wants to live that way that is not wrong, but it is not something that should apply to everyone. The former is an example.that no Christian woman should ever emulate
Yea I don't believe in multiple avortiab I wouldn't believe in one if birth control didn't have so much failure as it does it's not 100% reliable. And the thing is with single women they sometimes dont chose to be religious but their debauchery shouldn't have to effect everyone who shares the community with them
 
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Your brother doesn't degrade society as a whole .that's not the same.

Just because it's becoming a fully formed human doesn't mean it is.bei g and becoming g are different.

And you can't make me feel guilty I was not talking about opinions moremy question is how it's associated with Christian conservative when there are Christian conservative who various view on the topic of abortion
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I have to say that if I were in the position to have a child and the child had disabilities also I might consider adoption so the child could get the care they needed. Sadly not enough want to adopt especially disabled children

SOme.kind of home where they would be loved and well cared for would be another option maybe but I don't think there are many state run institutions like that
 
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And in many cases it might prevent abortion. because there are married women having abortions because they can't afford another baby.or because even though they can carry a child to term without it threatening their life they would not be able to raise the baby due to disability
Yeah exactly
 
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Not everyone does. Some people shouldn't even attempt to raise a special needs child.

They shouldn't tell God, "I've decide to kill this baby that You are making!"

Some people adopt special needs children.

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13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. 14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. 15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you. 16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. 17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.
 
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I know the above post makes me sound callous especially as am disabled myself but I would be concerned that I could not give that baby the life he or she deserves . I believe children deserve to have a parent who will be able to care them properly and ensure their needs are met.

This is why I believe that although protesting most abortion is a good start I think churches need to focus on providing help for women considering abortion e.g. Financial help, access to welfare benefits or programmes, access to health care which is affordable, help leaving an abusive partner etc.. When some Christians say they don't believe in social justice of any kind because it isn't kingdom work, I feel a bit baffled. I do get that the great commission, evangelism, healing deliverance etc are the most i!post and things but I don't think social justice or welfare state are wrong. Secondary maybe but still important
 
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They shouldn't tell God, "I've decide to kill this baby that You are making!"

Some people adopt special needs children.

John 15
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. 14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. 15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you. 16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. 17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.
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They shouldn't kill the child yes. I agree there...giving up children for adoption should be emphasised much more....
 
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They shouldn't tell God, "I've decide to kill this baby that You are making!"

Some people adopt special needs children.

John 15
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. 14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. 15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you. 16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. 17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.

Some people, but nearly enough.
 
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I've had only one husband. I never engaged in intercourse with anyone else. We were a couple of weeks shy of our 43 anniversary when cancer terminated his life. I don't understand why you are being so judgmental. Sometimes a divorce has to occur and and sometimes a spouse abandons his/her partner. Other times a spouse can die accidentally(hundreds or thousands of ways). That does not mean the surviving spouse or abandoned spouse did not value a traditional family. And there are abandoned spouses whose children are freed from an abusive parent!

We really can't define a "traditional family." God chose our parents, the places we are born, the time we are born, the time we die, etc.

My great-grandmother was born 1 year and 2 months before her father's death caused by illness when he was 32.
Yeah I'm sorry for you loss.


But the way I see it is it's the parents job to make sure that child has a stable healthy family with two parents who can take care of that child if they can not they should not be having children and make the responsible choices in that regard.

I'm not being judgmental my dad died before I was born and my mom went through a life threatening pregnancy but she also married someone else quickly so she could provide the properfamily I needed as a child.
 
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They shouldn't kill the child yes. I agree there...giving up children for adoption should be emphasised much more....
I know adoption is great but I'm just saying I know I would never do it if I was pregnant for 9 months
 
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Yeah I'm sorry for you loss.


But the way I see it is it's the parents job to make sure that child has a stable healthy family with two parents who can take care of that child if they can not they should not be having children and make the responsible choices in that regard.

I'm not being judgmental my dad died before I was born and my mom went through a life threatening pregnancy but she also married someone else quickly so she could provide the properfamily I needed as a child.

My mother married three times. She had no succesful marriage. People are born into disfunctional families. People make mistakes. They'll always make mistakes in a fallen world.
 
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