Are Demons Fallen Angels?

Soldier of the Cross said:

Some believe that demons are those who die without Christ.

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"And as it is appointed for men to die once,
but after this the judgment,..." Hebrews 9:27 NKJV

Demons aren't humans. They are spirits. Possibly from humans who have died apart from God.

Sabertooth said:

"And as it is appointed for men to die once,
but after this the judgment,..." Hebrews 9:27 NKJV

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April_Rose said:

...And why did God create angels (especially Satan the worst of them all) like them if He knew (which He obviously did) that they would turn against Him? ...

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After God had created, everything was good. So, I would say, the reason was that it was good. Obviously, some rejected good and so chose evil, but even that God has turned into good, because now we have this lesson and can see what evil (lack of good) truly means.

Soldier of the Cross said:

Possibly from humans who have died apart from God.

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That concept and Hebrews 9:27 are mutually exclusive. (No one comes back.)
Jesus' parable, The Rich Man & Lazarus [Luke 16:19-31] further re-enforces this.

Sabertooth said:

That concept and Hebrews 9:27 are mutually exclusive. (No one comes back.)
Jesus' parable, The Rich Man & Lazarus [Luke 16:19-31] re-enforces this.

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They aren't coming back alive as a human. They are spirits. Evil spirits.

April_Rose said:

I think that the title question is pretty self-explanatory. Since Satan was an angel that rebelled against God are his other demons? What happened anyways? And why did God create angels (especially Satan the worst of them all) like them if He knew (which He obviously did) that they would turn against Him? Angels are supposed to be perfect like Jesus.

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Was that two questions? Or, one?

Yes.... demons are fallen angels.

The other question? Why did God create them knowing how they would turn out?

Keep in mind. Everything ever created had to be created through the Son.


Why this arrangement? When the Father could have done the same thing, and just have the Son be one with Him as He watched the Father do all the creating?

But, that was not how it happened. For it says that nothing was created unless it was THROUGH and BY the Son. All things were created For the Son....

I also ask.. What did we learn from the Incarnation?


Jesus was able to make himself be as a man! To do so, he volunteered to "lay down his life" as God (in His powers to enable himself) and became in function as a man. The perfect man of God.

So what was revealed in the Incarnation?

That if the Lord God chooses to do so? He can remove Himself from His right to be functioning as God in omniscience!!! He was not omniscient as he walked on earth as a man. For he always needed to pray to the Father and depend upon the Spirit for all he was to know.

When placing Himself in that state as he was in the Incarnation? That freed him up to create all angels and men without knowing how they would turn out. Instead, He created each one of us with only the best intention and desire for each one us in mind. He created each one of us to be capable to fully know and fully love the Father as He loves the Father.

Then.. After all things were created by Him? And then acknowledged in the mind of God? He returned to being as God. When doing so, instantly knowing what was to become of it.. God then instantly created the plan for redemption and judgment of all angels and men. He made no one to be an unbeliever!

In a nutshell. That made the creation of men and angels to be unhindered by God knowing what was to happen while we were being created in the mind of the Son!

grace and peace .........

April_Rose said:

I think that the title question is pretty self-explanatory. Since Satan was an angel that rebelled against God are his other demons? What happened anyways? And why did God create angels (especially Satan the worst of them all) like them if He knew (which He obviously did) that they would turn against Him? Angels are supposed to be perfect like Jesus.

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Demons are unclean spirits. There is no such thing as a fallen angel.

You know Rose... the word does not say. For me...Before the flood where every thought of man was evil. How many were on the earth they don't know. Could be thousands or billions. But as a bother said already.. fallen angels and man. So after the flood those that died were never meant to be. See fallen angels left heaven but everything God gave them.. the way He made them they still are.

Fallen angels need not body. Theres is far better then any mans. Demons don't have on they are always seeking a home. If one searches the word of God you know WHERE you have authority and where you do not. Anyway.. He gave you all authority over the enemy and NOTHING shall by any means hurt you.

Oh.. so much of this is what I personally believe. We like to speculate but.. its really unwise to do it. Well some tend to speak it as truth. Make sure its WRITTEN in His word. Don't believe me.. you search you pray you find it

As for angels there are the elect and the angels who sided with satan, in His revolt against God.

Angels are men.
yes, while I was speaking in prayer, the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, reached me about the time of the evening offering.

Genesis 6
There were Nephilim on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

demons are the spirit of the union between woman and the angels (sons of God) who followed satan in his revolt against God.

In this union between angels and human women, only produced male births no women were born.
when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.


This event in Genesis by satan was an attempt to destroy the purity of the human race, to prevent the Messiah from being born into the world.

It can be seen in the New Testament demons seek out dry places away from water.

Also i believe satan also brought about the corruption of the animal world and in-turn this was the cause of the dinosaur and that these dinosaur's died in the flood.

So God looked upon the earth, and indeed it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth.

venksta said:

It's meaning is shared by other words as well.

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Another kind of Canon

English is funny.

April_Rose said:

Just so you guys know I am mentally challenged and this is far too complicated for me to read and understand.

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The Christian view is presented in post #11. I'd ignore the other opinions.

martymonster said:

Demons are unclean spirits. There is no such thing as a fallen angel.

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And... Unbelievers (fallen men) are unclean souls.


Fallen angels are demons.

On the other hand... The fallen spirits from the time of the flood are now imprisoned in dungeons of darkness.



Demons in the mean time on earth are a reality...



No such thing as fallen angels?....
You did no work. Requiring that I do all that to show you that you need work.

April_Rose said:

I thought that the term canon only referred to fantasy.

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The word canon is referred to accepted scripture. Other books, which have obvious and bold contradictions to the Bible, are not inspired by God and are not scripture.

Some of these extra books have extra information - that is not what I mean. I mean information that is the polar opposite or wildly erroneous information that does not compliment scripture.

For example: [I've read many of them]

• In the Apocryphal book of Tobit, chapters 4 and 12, it teaches that giving alms to the poor can keep you from going to hell. That is in direct opposition to what the Bible says about who goes to hell and who doesn't.
• In the Apocryphal book of 2 Maccabees, chapter 12, teaches that one can pay money to the Temple for the sins of the dead. If that's true, then why did Jesus have to die?
• In the non-Apocryphal book, The First Book of Adam and Eve, the author has Adam and Eve committing suicide over and over and over. Sometimes it's just Adam, sometimes it's both of them - regretting the eating of the fruit and God just keeps bringing them back to life.
• In the non-Apocryphal Book of Enoch [1] chapter 10, the author, not Enoch, says that Lamech, Noah's father, found out about the Flood and told Noah and told him to hide. And in another chapter this author says that the angels built the ark. That's not what the Bible says.
• Also in Enoch [1] chapters 12-15 - it says that Enoch, whom the Bible says God took and he was NOT found, WAS found. This book claims that Enoch went to live with the fallen angels who had had sex with mortal women. These fallen were not forgiven, but they pleaded with Enoch to be their intercessor between them and God and to beg God to forgive them. Enoch complied and wrote out a letter and took to to God and God said no. In another chapter, I can't remember offhand, it say that Enoch - whom God says was NOT found, WAS found by Lamech and Noah at the far end of the earth.

Here's my advice to anyone wanting to read extra-biblical accounts.

Read the Bible thoroughly FIRST. Know it like the back of your hand. Then read whatever you choose. And you will be able to discern what it true and what is not. You won't recognize a lie unless you know the truth first.

April_Rose said:

I just looked at it and still a little bit complicated for me I'm afraid. :\

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- Yes, demons are fallen angels.

- God created angels w/ free will.

- They watched the creation of the universe and shouted for joy.

- Most of the angels chose to serve God and some angels chose not to.

- Satan was the strongest of the fallen angels and became their prince.

- Satan also became ruler of this world.

- He was kicked out of heaven.

Ive read all the fantasy ideas on this thread and I will just stick to my belief that demons are the angels that fell with satan.

It was His own choice:

John 10:17-18,“Because of this the Father loves Me, because I lay down My life, in order to receive it again. “No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to receive it again. This command I have received from My Father.”

Matthew 26:36-46, “Then יהושע came with them to a place called Gethsemane, and said to the taught ones, “Sit here while I go over there and pray.” And He took with Him Kĕpha and the two sons of Zaḇdai, and He began to be grieved and deeply distressed. Then He said to them, “My being is exceedingly grieved, even to death. Stay here and watch with Me.” And going forward a little, He fell on His face, and prayed, saying, “O My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me. Yet not as I desire, but as You desire.” And He came to the taught ones and found them asleep, and said to Kĕpha, “So, were you not able to watch with Me one hour? “Watch and pray, lest you enter into trial. The spirit indeed is eager, but the flesh is weak.” Again He went away, a second time, and prayed, saying, “O My Father, if it is impossible for this to pass unless I drink it, let Your desire be done.” And He came and found them asleep again, for their eyes were heavy. And He left them, went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words. Then He came to His taught ones and said to them, “Still sleeping and taking rest? See, the hour has come near, and the Son of Aḏam is delivered up into the hands of sinners. “Rise, let us go. See, he who delivers Me up has come near.”

April_Rose said:

Not to sin you mean?

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Well that also, but I meant it was His own choice to offer His life

He states it here:

John 10:17-18,“Because of this the Father loves Me, because I lay down My life, in order to receive it again. “No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to receive it again. This command I have received from My Father.”

this is the part that really gets me, so He knew what He was supposed to do, and yet He still had a moment of weakness and asked if it was possible not to go through with it but still did:

Matthew 26:36-46, “Then יהושע came with them to a place called Gethsemane, and said to the taught ones, “Sit here while I go over there and pray.” And He took with Him Kĕpha and the two sons of Zaḇdai, and He began to be grieved and deeply distressed. Then He said to them, “My being is exceedingly grieved, even to death. Stay here and watch with Me.” And going forward a little, He fell on His face, and prayed, saying, “O My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me. Yet not as I desire, but as You desire.” And He came to the taught ones and found them asleep, and said to Kĕpha, “So, were you not able to watch with Me one hour? “Watch and pray, lest you enter into trial. The spirit indeed is eager, but the flesh is weak.” Again He went away, a second time, and prayed, saying, “O My Father, if it is impossible for this to pass unless I drink it, let Your desire be done.” And He came and found them asleep again, for their eyes were heavy. And He left them, went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words. Then He came to His taught ones and said to them, “Still sleeping and taking rest? See, the hour has come near, and the Son of Aḏam is delivered up into the hands of sinners. “Rise, let us go. See, he who delivers Me up has come near.”

So there are times when I feel I'm supposed to talk to someone I met through a friend or even one of my friends and I don't want to, LOL sometimes I don;t even want to do anything just do whatever I want... I can't even imagine being asked to do that. To me it makes the Messiah and His deeds so much more impressive because it's not like He was forced to do anything, this shows to me He still had free will. Yet He chose to. Again if He was some kind of robot that could not choose IMO it is not as amazing, but the fact that He had a moment of weakness and still stood strong makes it more impressive IMO.