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Water baptism - please see this short video.

As someone who believes they have been baptised by fire through the Holy Sprit I feel that I do not need to be baptised in water.

Do you agree with the speaker in the video?

Your thoughts and views and feedback is much appreciated.

God bless...


Hi, I think this might help you below.
Acts 10:47-48
47Then Peter answered, "Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?"
48And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.


God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth

We no longer look to be served. We look to serve and give our lives for others. No longer fight for privilege, influence and status. We esteem others better than ourselves and put their interests above our own.

Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him

Peace be with all those in the body of Christ
 
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Hi, I think this might help you below.
Acts 10:47-48
47Then Peter answered, "Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?"
48And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.


God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth

We no longer look to be served. We look to serve and give our lives for others. No longer fight for privilege, influence and status. We esteem others better than ourselves and put their interests above our own.

Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him

Peace be with all those in the body of Christ

Hi
I have written to the local Baptist church up the road from where I live.

Hope to be baptized soon but will obviously be delayed by pandemic.

Thank you and God bless...
 
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Hi everyone,

Just wanted to say thank you for all the replies.

I have written to the local Baptist Church up the road from where I live.

I am hoping they will be able to baptise me but I'm not sure when given the current pandemic.

God bless you...

You don't need a church to get baptised in, any river, sea, lake, bathtub, or pool will do. If you have believing friends, get them to do it with you.

I was baptised in the sea on a freezing midwinter's day. I have baptised people in rivers, the sea, ponds and pools, and as far as the church is concerned, I am a complete nobody.

Contrary to what most Christians imagine, when John the Baptist started baptising people, he wasn't starting a new trend.
If you have been there, you will see that Israel is full of ancient Mikvah (mikveh). These are usually stone cisterns with steps going down into them and were used for the purification ceremonies of religious Jews by full immersion a process called baptism!
Do a google search for Mikvah, and click images and you will see that these look remarkably like modern day Baptist church baptismal pools.

Here's what Jesus thought about it.-
Mark7v1Then the Pharisees and some of the scribes came together to Him, having come from Jerusalem. 2Now when they saw some of His disciples eat bread with defiled, that is, with unwashed hands (Grk- Nipto, wash/rinse), they found fault. 3For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they wash (Grk-Nipto, wash rinse) their hands in a special way, holding the tradition of the elders. 4When they come from the marketplace, they do not eat unless they wash (Grk- Baptizo, bathe, submerge). And there are many other things which they have received and hold, like the washing (Grk- Baptizo, bathe submerge) of cups, pitchers, copper vessels, and couches.

As can be seen, baptism was a known thing, merely referring to putting pots and pans (or yourself) in a bowl of water to cleanse them. The word baptizo itself is not in the least spiritual unless its context show it such.
If you read on, you will see that Jesus derided their ritualistic cleanliness.

5Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him, “Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands?”

6He answered and said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:

‘This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me.
7And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’

8For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men—the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do.”
etc etc...

The reason that John went outside the institution to do his baptisms of repentance was that the church of the day was so filled with tradition that the ceremonies themselves had completely taken over what should have been going on in the heart.

Many churches today make such a great and laborious ceremony around Holy Communion, with the expensive robes and regalia of the ministers, the glorious designs of their fancy chalice for the wine/juice and plate for the bread/wafer, and the great rigmarole around the procedure around the bread and wine, and woe betide anyone who puts his foot wrong.
The great sadness being that the true purpose of taking the bread and wine gets completely buried under religious garbage. The religious institution has stolen the glory for themselves.
Likewise baptism.

John was in the priestly line of Aaron as his father Zechariah was, and should have been wearing glorious priestly robes, but we find him clothed in camel hair standing in a river in the middle of nowhere.
People flooded to him and were baptised in the river with no "ceremony" attached. It was an action of testimony before God and the angels, and whatever onlookers there might be around.
 
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You don't need a church to get baptised in, any river, sea, lake, bathtub, or pool will do. If you have believing friends, get them to do it with you.

I was baptised in the sea on a freezing midwinter's day. I have baptised people in rivers, the sea, ponds and pools, and as far as the church is concerned, I am a complete nobody.

Contrary to what most Christians imagine, when John the Baptist started baptising people, he wasn't starting a new trend.
If you have been there, you will see that Israel is full of ancient Mikvah (mikveh). These are usually stone cisterns with steps going down into them and were used for the purification ceremonies of religious Jews by full immersion a process called baptism!
Do a google search for Mikvah, and click images and you will see that these look remarkably like modern day Baptist church baptismal pools.

Here's what Jesus thought about it.-
Mark7v1Then the Pharisees and some of the scribes came together to Him, having come from Jerusalem. 2Now when they saw some of His disciples eat bread with defiled, that is, with unwashed hands (Grk- Nipto, wash/rinse), they found fault. 3For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they wash (Grk-Nipto, wash rinse) their hands in a special way, holding the tradition of the elders. 4When they come from the marketplace, they do not eat unless they wash (Grk- Baptizo, bathe, submerge). And there are many other things which they have received and hold, like the washing (Grk- Baptizo, bathe submerge) of cups, pitchers, copper vessels, and couches.

As can be seen, baptism was a known thing, merely referring to putting pots and pans (or yourself) in a bowl of water to cleanse them. The word baptizo itself is not in the least spiritual unless its context show it such.
If you read on, you will see that Jesus derided their ritualistic cleanliness.

5Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him, “Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands?”

6He answered and said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:

‘This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me.
7And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’

8For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men—the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do.”
etc etc...

The reason that John went outside the institution to do his baptisms of repentance was that the church of the day was so filled with tradition that the ceremonies themselves had completely taken over what should have been going on in the heart.

Many churches today make such a great and laborious ceremony around Holy Communion, with the expensive robes and regalia of the ministers, the glorious designs of their fancy chalice for the wine/juice and plate for the bread/wafer, and the great rigmarole around the procedure around the bread and wine, and woe betide anyone who puts his foot wrong.
The great sadness being that the true purpose of taking the bread and wine gets completely buried under religious garbage. The religious institution has stolen the glory for themselves.
Likewise baptism.

John was in the priestly line of Aaron as his father Zechariah was, and should have been wearing glorious priestly robes, but we find him clothed in camel hair standing in a river in the middle of nowhere.
People flooded to him and were baptised in the river with no "ceremony" attached. It was an action of testimony before God and the angels, and whatever onlookers there might be around.

Hi Francis,

Thank you for sharing this information with me.

I feel I should go to our local church for this as I have met the priest before. Also, they're not pompous and over the top but rather just regular down to earth good Christians.

They help the community a lot.

But I appreciate what you are saying. Church I know isn't crucial to a relationship with the Lord. I pray mainly in my bedroom.

I go to church once in a while as a treat and sometimes experience being in the Spirit there at church and sometimes not. Its the same for me at home.

But one thing is for sure I'm going to be baptised in water.

Thanks and God bless...
 
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I feel I should go to our local church for this as I have met the priest before. Also, they're not pompous and over the top but rather just regular down to earth good Christians.
That's right...and there are several other reasons for doing it this way, even if you did not join that congregation.

1. Some friend doing a baptism in a bathtub might get it right, but he might not. There are some few requirements other than pouring water.

2. you will appreciate the dignity of the occasion, this important moment in your life, if you do it this way.

3. The validity of your baptism will matter as you go through life. Every time you want to present yourself somewhere as an already-baptized Christian, perhaps when joining a new church, the certificate signed by a priest or bishop makes a difference.
 
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That's right...and there are several other reasons for doing it this way, even if you did not join that congregation.

1. Some friend doing a baptism in a bathtub might get it right, but he might not. There are some few requirements other than pouring water.
I hope you don't equate pouring water as baptism, because that is not what the word means!
A bathtub is obviously a last resort where nothing deeper is available, but you'd look a whole lot less daft than trying to curl your body into the average church font.
2. you will appreciate the dignity of the occasion, this important moment in your life, if you do it this way.
I suspect that there was far more dignity by the River Jordan than in their synagogues.

When I secretly baptised people in the river, high in the mountains of Nepal, or at UK baptisms in the sea, river or pools, the dignity of the occasion is because of the Lord, not fancy buildings, procedures or robes.
3. The validity of your baptism will matter as you go through life. Every time you want to present yourself somewhere as an already-baptized Christian, perhaps when joining a new church, the certificate signed by a priest or bishop makes a difference.
I'm sorry, but that's just religious twaddle. It might be a requirement for your religion, but has never been required by Christ or the early church.

Just to be utterly clear, having water, holy or otherwise, poured over your head, is not what the biblical word Baptism means!
 
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I hope you don't equate pouring water as baptism
Of course I don't. That would be nuts. But our friend is correct that Baptism uses water.

I'm sorry, but that's just religious twaddle. It might be a requirement for your religion, but has never been required by Christ or the early church.
And that comment of yours deserves an even more colorful description than that one.

All I said there is that it is usually important as we go through life to have a baptismal certificate (as having a birth certificate and some other documents are as well). What you are sneering at isn't even a doctrinal issue.
 
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Of course I don't. That would be nuts. But our friend is correct that Baptism uses water.
Nuts or not, Anglican tradition falsely teaches that pouring water on your head is baptism.
And that comment of yours deserves an even more colorful description than that one.
Colour's ok with me:amen:
All I said there is that it is usually important as we go through life to have a baptismal certificate (as having a birth certificate and some other documents are as well). What you are sneering at isn't even a doctrinal issue.
Sorry if it stung, but in reading the words of your post, I don't think my post was an entirely unreasonable conclusion.
Personally, being a rebel, I would never attend a church that required a certificate of proof.
 
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Nuts or not, Anglican tradition falsely teaches that pouring water on your head is baptism.
Well, that's completely false.

Personally, being a rebel, I would never attend a church that required a certificate of proof.

That's you. But our friend Richard, who asked the question about himself, may want to know that there is a very good practical reason for having a baptismal certificate.
 
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Hi Albion,

I'm interested to know the reason for having a baptismal certificate?

I am non-denom.

Would you mind sharing with us its uses...
That was answered in point #3 of my post 25. As you get involved with churches, even for something like getting married or a funeral, whether or not you ever were validly baptized will probably matter. Are you going to say "take my word for it, but no, I have nothing to show that it happened--and by the way, it wasn't done by a minister of any known church?"

It can cause problems for you and might lead to some pastor asking you to be conditionally re-baptized. All of that can be avoided by having a minister administer the baptism you are planning on.
 
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Why would God baptize you with fire of the Holy Spirit if you've never stepped out in obedience to water baptism?

Because that's what he said he would do!
Lk11v11If a son asks for bread from any father among you, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish? 12Or if he asks for an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”
Take note, he did not say he would only pour the Spirit on those who were already water baptised.

And we see the same with Cornelius-
Acts10v44While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. 45And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. 46For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.

Then Peter answered, 47“Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” 48And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then they asked him to stay a few days.

Again take note, they were filled with the Holy Spirit before they had water baptism!
 
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Hi,
I was wondering whether the physical act of water baptism is essential in order to be saved?
Absolutely not.
I was saved years before I was water baptised, as indeed are millions of others.
 
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I believe I have been baptised with the Holy Spirit for various reasons.
I regularly feel the presence of the Holy Spirit.
I have witnessed countless wonderful miraculous experiences.
One night in my room I felt the Spirit and when I looked at the ceiling I saw energy fields and felt a mild but intense heat.
I had been wondering about being baptized by fire a few weeks earlier and put my worry before God.
I believe it was a sign as confirmation that I am baptized in the Holy Spirit.
I read the bible from beginning to end in 2003 and prayed to God that I might see miraculous signs and wonders. Well since 2003 I have been very blessed and seen many wonderful things.
From transfiguration and x-ray vision briefly to seeing the spirit of an eagle in the cloud to hearing voices like peeling thunder and rushing water to being saved from imminent death etc... the list is long.
You don't need a minister or priest for baptism in water. If you have Christian friends they can do it with you. If you can't find somewhere out of sight of the Covid Stasi, then do it in the bath.

Back in the 70s, I was baptised in the sea on New Years Eve. Bitterly cold, but even colder for those doing the baptisms who stood in the freezing water for about half an hour doing a load of people at the same time, including some hells angels.
 
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Water baptism - please see this short video.

As someone who believes they have been baptised by fire through the Holy Sprit I feel that I do not need to be baptised in water.

Do you agree with the speaker in the video?

Your thoughts and views and feedback is much appreciated.

God bless...


Hi and I did not see your video , sorry !

The baptism with FIRE , is found in Matt 3:11 !

Notice that in Matt 3:11 , the Greek word SHALL BAPTIZE / BAPTIZO is a verb in the FUTURE TENSE , ACTIVE VOICE and in the INDICATIVE MOOD !

Why the FUTURE TENSE , is because Israel has been SET ASIDE for over 2000 years !!

This BAPTISM by FIRE will happen during the first 3 1/2 years of the GREAT TRIBULATION !!

Eze 36 :25 says asmto when Israel will be cleansed with WATER !!

dan p
 
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