A big difference between ancient Chiliasm and modern-day Premillennialism

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Whatever way you package it up: you have billions of phonies who are playing at it in your millennium. This is after Jesus being in their midst ruling with "a rod of iron" unchallenged for 1000 years? You have a millennial kingdom filled with phonies supposedly submitted to the leadership of Christ wholesale turning from Him to Satan at his very appearing. This is surely the greatest and swiftest religious turn-around in history. Billions as the sand of the sea jump camps. How could they do this? After all: Jesus is supposed to be reigning in all His glory and majesty with a rod of iron along with the saints in their glorified bodies. These must be the most crooked, deceived, bull-headed, stubborn, stiff-necked and blinded company of humans ever to live. This is an incredible bust. It is a debacle. So much for the righteous reign of Christ on this earth. So much for the submission of the nations. The reality is: most of what Premils attribute to Revelation 20 doesn't exist. It is foisted on the inspired text.
I guess that remains to be seen.

Since the atoms in your body are also infected with sin, your mind is also subject to delusion. Since future things are up to God we both could be wrong - and I'm okay with that. Whatever God decides to do, that's fine.
 
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we both could be wrong


The above is a very rare statement on this forum.


I know I can be wrong on the subject of eschatology, because I have been wrong before.

Our Brother "sovereigngrace" has admitted the same thing.


Paul had to correct Peter on at least one occasion.

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The above is a very rare statement on this forum.


I know I can be wrong on the subject of eschatology, because I have been wrong before.

Our Brother "sovereigngrace" has admitted the same thing.


Paul had to correct Peter on at least one occasion.

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I try my best to keep in mind that at the very least God is right.

Let God be true, but every man a liar (Romans 3:4)
 
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I guess that remains to be seen.

Since the atoms in your body are also infected with sin, your mind is also subject to delusion. Since future things are up to God we both could be wrong - and I'm okay with that. Whatever God decides to do, that's fine.

I find it interesting what the early writers were preaching and teaching.
 
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I think back on what they had to say from time to time as well.

No one could argue that what they say is Gospel. It is not.

My issue is: Premils glibly claim the Chiliasts as their own, when most of them taught the complete opposite to what they believe today. Most Premillers live in denial with the facts. This thread is designed to enlighten Premils to the difference in each.
No one could argue that what they say is Gospel. It is not.

My issue is: Premils glibly claim the Chiliasts as their own, when most of them taught the complete opposite to what they believe today. Most Premillers live in denial with the facts. This thread is designed to enlighten Premils to the difference in each.
 
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No one could argue that what they say is Gospel. It is not.

My issue is: Premils glibly claim the Chiliasts as their own, when most of them taught the complete opposite to what they believe today. Most Premillers live in denial with the facts. This thread is designed to enlighten Premils to the difference in each.
No one could argue that what they say is Gospel. It is not.

My issue is: Premils glibly claim the Chiliasts as their own, when most of them taught the complete opposite to what they believe today. Most Premillers live in denial with the facts. This thread is designed to enlighten Premils to the difference in each.
We are not enlightened.

All we see is more complaining why a literal 1000 years is impossible for God to have as His Sabbath set apart as Holy unto God.
 
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We are not enlightened.

All we see is more complaining why a literal 1000 years is impossible for God to have as His Sabbath set apart as Holy unto God.

God's Sabbath is eternal, not temporal as you claim.
 
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God's Sabbath is eternal, not temporal as you claim.
I guess that is your opinion. Eternity has no time, so how can you name eternity? Even a name is a temporal created concept and only physical. Genesis 2, and God brought all the animals to "him" to name as "he" willed. Then God called "him", Adam.
 
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I guess that is your opinion. Eternity has no time, so how can you name eternity? Even a name is a temporal created concept and only physical. Genesis 2, and God brought all the animals to "him" to name as "he" willed. Then God called "him", Adam.

You do not even seem to know what the word "eternity" means. Even my 8-year-old can grasp that. Why would you then understand Rev 20?
 
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No one could argue that what they say is Gospel. It is not.

My issue is: Premils glibly claim the Chiliasts as their own, when most of them taught the complete opposite to what they believe today. Most Premillers live in denial with the facts. This thread is designed to enlighten Premils to the difference in each.
No one could argue that what they say is Gospel. It is not.

My issue is: Premils glibly claim the Chiliasts as their own, when most of them taught the complete opposite to what they believe today. Most Premillers live in denial with the facts. This thread is designed to enlighten Premils to the difference in each.
The early church writings I reflect on have nothing to do with 1000 year isms.
 
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You do not even seem to know what the word "eternity" means. Even my 8-year-old can grasp that. Why would you then understand Rev 20?
Do you mean some word that a human came up with or the place where there is no time or change? Is eternity to you the same as infinity? If God does not have a beginning nor ending, and does not change, what does that mean to you?
 
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They present a bipolar age full of justice and injustice, deliverance and bondage, light and darkness, righteousness and unrighteousness, perfection and sin, glorification and corruption, sin and sinlessness, immortality and mortality, peace and harmony and war and terror. It is truly hard to grasp this biblically. The Premillennial millennium culminates in the greatest global uprising in history as Satan is released from his prison to deceive the millennial inhabitant in their billions.
This sounds very much like the current age.

What did ancient Chiliasm believe regarding Gog & Magog? Did they believe in 2 separate resurrections and judgments like today's Premils do?
 
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This sounds very much like the current age.

What did ancient Chiliasm believe regarding Gog & Magog? Did they believe in 2 separate resurrections and judgments like today's Premils do?

There is good reason to suspect that this belief was largely confined within Africa for the first 400 years after the cross. The only exceptions to this seem to be Hippolytus of Rome (AD 170 – 236) and Victorinus of Pettau, Upper Pannonia, which is modern Slovenia, (270AD). However, the thousand years Hippolytus anticipated seems to relate to an actual natural day – the actual physical day of the Lord’s return, thus more akin to modern day Amillennialism. Hippolytus explains:

"In the end of times, the Devil is to be bound and to be flung into the bottomless pit, when the Lord comes; even as Esaias hath said, that the wicked shall be taken away in order that he see not the glory of the Lord. And the number of the years is not the number of days, but it represents the space of one day, glorious and perfect; in which, when the King comes in glory with His slain, the creation is to shine … Accordingly, when with the eye of the spirit John saw the glory of that day, he likened it to the space of a thousand years; according to the saying, One day in the world of the righteous is as a thousand years. And by the number he shows that day to be perfect, for those that are faithful.

But as for what he has said, that after the thousand years he shall be loosed, and shall deceive the nations, it is this: that justly he is to be loosed, and to be cast into the burning, and to be judged; with those who from old time were gathered together with him, when he gathered the strangers of the kingdom, and Gog and Magog."

Hippolytus mentions a loosing of Satan but it seems to be in the context of the millennium being a single day. We should examine this strange theology a bit deeper, which seems unique among the early fathers. Firstly, he definitely anticipates the fulfillment of the millennium and therefore Revelation 20 in the future. Secondly, the writer is telling us that we should not interpret the 1000 years literally here. We should not understand the “thousand years” in terms of “the number of days” but should rather look upon them as representing “the space of one day, glorious and perfect; in which, when the King comes in glory with His slain, the creation is to shine.” Thirdly, whilst Hippolytus suggests the millennium is future, the coming of Christ is final and climactic. Fourthly, Gog and Magog are not millennial inhabitants. They seem to be the wicked who followed Satan "from old time" who are raised up at the very end. Fifthly, Satan's season seems to relate the judgment of the wicked. Sixthly, Gog and Magog only come on the scene at the time when judgment is finally executed – judgment day.

While this may be strange to the modern-day Bible student, with all his well-polished and well-established theological dogmas, there were many new and innovative slants placed on doctrines in the early days. Peculiarities, quirks and twists were par for the course throughout the first 400 years of the early church. Doctrine has been one ongoing evolving process since that time. But the Chiliasts anticipated a glorious return of Christ to implement final justice, banish imperfection, rule in unchallenged power, and shine in heavenly glory. The wicked would not be ushered into a corrupt earth and witness the continuation of all the same old same old woes, as in modern-day Premil, but rather, “the wicked shall be taken away in order that he see not the glory of the Lord.” Like most of the Chiliasts that preceded him, the earth after the return of Christ is a perfect pristine sabbath rest. It is free of sin, death, disease, corruption, Satan and the wicked. This fits in with the Amillennial expectation of new glorious perfect earth.

Victorinus was the first of the orthodox writers to detail Satan’s release after a literal thousand years in the future, and also describe his baleful influence on the wicked nations living on the millennial earth during Satan’s little season. Victorinus wrote mainly around AD 270. It is both notable and amazing, in light of the loud noise, and constant boastings coming from the Premillennial camp re its ancient heritage, that for 240 years after the cross there is no Premillennial existing teaching pertaining to the release of Satan 1,000 years after the second coming, and his deceit of billions of millennial inhabitants, who come against the righteous as the sand of the sea in allegiance to Satan and overrun the millennium. For the first 240 years of the early church this key element of Premil was either unknown or rejected by all the orthodox early church writers. This is very telling!

Victorinus submits:

"And the scarlet devil is imprisoned and all his fugitive angels in the Tartarus of Gehenna at the coming of the Lord; no one is ignorant of this. And after the thousand years he is released, because of the nations which will have served Antichrist" (Revelation commentary: 20.1).

Victorinus is succinct on this matter. He doesn’t elaborate any more on his position. This is the totality of his surviving views.
 
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It is both notable and amazing, in light of the loud noise, and constant boastings coming from the Premillennial camp re its ancient heritage, that for 240 years after the cross there is no Premillennial existing teaching pertaining to the release of Satan 1,000 years after the second coming, and his deceit of billions of millennial inhabitants, who come against the righteous as the sand of the sea in allegiance to Satan and overrun the millennium. For the first 240 years of the early church this key element of Premil was either unknown or rejected by all the orthodox early church writers. This is very telling!
A millennium without a specified ending is not a millennium. And one Church Father's opinion doesn't mean much. It looks like so called Chiliasts were Amills who believed in an earthly reign as opposed to the majority of Christians who were also Amills but believed in a heavenly reign of Christ.
 
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A millennium without a specified ending is not a millennium. And one Church Father's opinion doesn't mean much. It looks like so called Chiliasts were Amills who believed in an earthly reign as opposed to the majority of Christians who were also Amills but believed in a heavenly reign of Christ.

They believed the earth that arrived at Christ's appearing would be perfect. There would be no wicked on it. There would therefore be no sin or death on it. It was more akin to modern-day Amil.

Irenaeus submits:

The predicted blessing, therefore, belongs unquestionably to the times of the kingdom, when the righteous shall bear rule upon their rising from the dead; when also the creation, having been renovated and set free, shall fructify with an abundance of all kinds of food, from the dew of heaven, and from the fertility of the earth: as the elders who saw John, the disciple of the Lord, related that they had heard from him how the Lord used to teach in regard to these times, and say: “The days will come, in which vines shall grow, each having ten thousand branches, and in each branch ten thousand twigs, and in each true twig ten thousand shoots, and in each one of the shoots ten thousand dusters, and on every one of the clusters ten thousand grapes, and every grape when pressed will give five and twenty metretes of wine. And when any one of the saints shall lay hold of a cluster, another shall cry out, I am a better cluster, take me; bless the Lord through me. In like manner [the Lord declared] that ... all animals feeding [only] on the productions of the earth, should [in those days] become peaceful and harmonious among each other, and be in perfect subjection to man (Against Heresies Book V, Chapter 33:3).

Here, Irenaeus quotes Papias. But we can see that this earth imagined wasn’t one that contained wickedness and the wicked, but perfection and fruitfulness. Irenaeus believes “creation” will be “renovated and set free” at the resurrection of the just, whereupon the glorified righteous will then reign over the perfected earth that “shall fructify with an abundance of all kinds of food, from the dew of heaven, and from the fertility of the earth.” He backs his belief up with a quote from Papias.

Irenaeus millennium is completely different to that envisioned by modern-day Premillennialists. Whilst he believed in a millennial period after the coming of Christ he saw a perfect incorruptible transitionary period that would simply be porch-way for the redeemed (alone) into the eternal state. This would be a time totally free of the wicked, wickedness and corruption: “the righteous shall bear rule upon their rising from the dead; when also the creation, having been renovated and set free.” He enlarges:

That the whole creation shall, according to God’s will, obtain a vast increase, that it may bring forth and sustain fruits such [as we have mentioned], Isaiah declares: “And there shall be upon every high mountain, and upon every prominent hill, water running everywhere in that day, when many shall perish, when walls shall fall. And the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, seven times that of the day, when He shall heal the anguish of His people, and do away with the pain of His stroke.” Now “the pain of the stroke” means that inflicted at the beginning upon disobedient man in Adam, that is, death; which [stroke] the Lord will heal when He raises us from the dead, and restores the inheritance of the fathers (Against Heresies Book V, Chapter 34:2).

Irenaeus does not see any more death after the second coming. With the glorification of believers and their population of the millennial earth, death is terminated. This early Chiliast expands:

For then there shall in truth be a common joy consummated to all those who believe unto life, and in each individual shall be confirmed the mystery of the Resurrection, and the hope of incorruption, and the commencement of the eternal kingdom, when God shall have destroyed death and the devil. For that human nature and flesh which has risen again from the dead shall die no more; but after it had been changed to incorruption, and made like to spirit, when the heaven was opened, [our Lord] full of glory offered it (the flesh) to the Father (Fragments from the Lost Writings of Irenaeus, Fragment L).

It is necessary to tell them respecting those things, that it behoves the righteous first to receive the promise of the inheritance which God promised to the fathers, and to reign in it, when they rise again to behold God in this creation which is renovated, and that the judgment should take place afterwards. For it is just that in that very creation in which they toiled or were afflicted, being proved in every way by suffering, they should receive the reward of their suffering; and that in the creation in which they were slain because of their love to God, in that they should be revived again; and that in the creation in which they endured servitude, in that they should reign. For God is rich in all things, and all things are His. It is fitting, therefore, that the creation itself, being restored to its primeval condition, should without restraint be under the dominion of the righteous; and the apostle has made this plain in the Epistle to the Romans, when he thus speaks: “For the expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. For the creature has been subjected to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope; since the creature itself shall also be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the sons of God” (Against Heresies Book V, Chapter 32:1).

Irenaeus testifies to the curse being lifted in a future millennium. The earth, in his opinion, will be returned to its pre-fall state. This coincides with the glorification of the just. For him: “the pain of the stroke” … the Lord will heal when He raises us from the dead, and restores the inheritance of the fathers.” He contends: “the [earthly] kingdom … is the commencement of incorruption.” Speaking of the “the resurrection of the just” he submits: “they rise again to behold God in this creation which is renovated.” The earth, the writer anticipates, is only for the righteous. He affirms: “It is fitting, therefore, that the creation itself, being restored to its primeval condition, should without restraint be under the dominion of the righteous.” There is no allowance, as modern-day Premil argue, for the curse, the wicked wickedness, or Satan to blight the new earth. This thousand-year era is depicted as the Sabbath reign of Christ and the righteous.

Irenaeus also advocated that it is fitting that the resurrected saints would reign in the same world where they had labored and suffered bodily. Where they once endured pain and bondage, they would enjoy freedom and authority. Man and creation are portrayed as being in perfect sync. The one notable aspect of early Chiliasm, which distinguishes it from modern Premillennialism, is its view of a future millennial earth. The early Chiliasts expected a perfect regenerated earth free of sin, sinners, Satan and the curse. Modern-day Premillennialism locates all of this on its future millennial earth.

This would be a it was only just that they be raised bodily and given rewards in the same world in which they had suffered. , on this A theme first expressed most explicitly and most forcefully by Irenaeus was that since the saints

Irenaeus states:

The Lord will come from heaven in the clouds, in the glory of the Father, sending this man (Antichrist ) and those who follow him into the lake of fire; but bringing in for the righteous the times of the kingdom, that is, the rest, the hallowed seventh day; and restoring to Abraham the promised inheritance, in which kingdom the Lord declared, that “many coming from the east and from the west should sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob” (Against Heresies Book V, Chapter 32:1).

The picture being portrayed here is that of a perfect environment consisting perfected beings being at total rest. This is a picture of millennial bliss.

Irenaeus adds:

These are [to take place] in the times of the kingdom, that is, upon the seventh day, which has been sanctified, in which God rested from all the works which He created, which is the true Sabbath of the righteous, which they shall not be engaged in any earthly occupation; but shall have a table at hand prepared for them by God, supplying them with all sorts of dishes. (Against Heresies Book V, Chapter 33:2).

The millennial earth is depicted as heaven on earth. It is devoid of any form of corruption or rebellion. There is no allowance made for the wicked. It is the abode of the righteous alone who are depicted as enjoying the bliss and rest of paradise before the fall.

Irenaeus elaborates on the early Chiliast expectation in a future millennium:

For as it is God truly who raises up man, so also does man truly rise from the dead, and not allegorically … and shall go forwards and flourish in the times of the kingdom, in order that he may be capable of receiving the glory of the Father (Against Heresies Book V, Chapter 35:2).

When this [present] fashion [of things] passes away, and man has been renewed, and flourishes in an incorruptible state, so as to preclude the possibility of becoming old, [then] there shall be the new heaven and the new earth, in which the new man shall remain [continually], always holding fresh converse with God. And since (or, that) these things shall ever continue without end (Against Heresies Book V, Chapter 36:1).

Irenaeus concludes:

In the end of time He shall come to do away with all evil, and to reconcile all things, in order that there may be an end of all impurities (Fragments from the Lost Writings of Irenaeus, XXXIX).

Tertullian:

Previous to Christ's coming, our prayers are directed towards the end of this world, to the passing away thereof at the great day of the Lord— of His wrath and vengeance— the last day, which is hidden (from all), and known to none but the Father, although announced beforehand by signs and wonders, and the dissolution of the elements, and the conflicts of nations (On the Resurrection of the Flesh, Chapter XXII).

What a spectacle is that fast-approaching advent of our Lord, now owned by all, now highly exalted, now a triumphant One! What that exultation of the angelic hosts! What the glory of the rising saints! What the kingdom of the just thereafter! What the city New Jerusalem! Yes, and there are other sights: that last day of judgment, with its everlasting issues; that day unlooked for by the nations, the theme of their derision, when the world hoary with age, and all its many products, shall be consumed in one great flame! (De Spectaculis, Chapter XXX).

Where exactly are the saints said to be during the Chiliast millennium? Tertullian locates them in the New Jerusalem in Against Marcion Book III, Chapter XXV:

We do confess that a kingdom is promised to us upon the earth, although before heaven, only in another state of existence; inasmuch as it will be after the resurrection for a thousand years in the divinely-built city of Jerusalem, let down from heaven … We say that this city has been provided by God for receiving the saints on their resurrection, and refreshing them with the abundance of all really spiritual blessings, as a recompense for those which in the world we have either despised or lost; since it is both just and God-worthy that His servants should have their joy in the place where they have also suffered affliction for His name’s sake.

Tertullian tells us that “the saints on their resurrection” will possess “the divinely-built city of Jerusalem” which is said to be “let down from heaven” unto “the earth” at Christ’s Coming, “only in another state of existence.” The writer then suggests that the redeemed that are alive when Jesus comes experience “a sudden change, to become qualified to join the rising saints.” Tertullian describes our current corrupt bodies as “the garment of the flesh” which must (of necessity) be “put off” at the Second Coming.

Like Irenaeus, Tertullian seems to see the return of man to this current earth in its perfected form in his new glorified body as a sign of ultimate victory over sin. The redeemed are therefore suitably rewarded for their sufferings in this life. Where they suffered loss, they now experience gain. Where they suffered “affliction” they now experience “joy.” This anticipated millennial earth is represented as a vindication of the saints.

Hippolytus briefly states:

The righteous shall obtain the incorruptible and unfading kingdom, who indeed are at present detained in Hades (Fragments of Hippolytus 1).

He does not seem to go into detail on the matter of discipline in a future millennial kingdom. Like his view on Hades for the dead in Christ, he seems to anticipate a state and an age that is full of rewards for the righteous and full of rest.
 
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They believed the earth that arrived at Christ's appearing would be perfect. There would be no wicked on it. There would therefore be no sin or death on it. It was more akin to modern-day Amil.

Irenaeus submits:

The predicted blessing, therefore, belongs unquestionably to the times of the kingdom, when the righteous shall bear rule upon their rising from the dead; when also the creation, having been renovated and set free, shall fructify with an abundance of all kinds of food, from the dew of heaven, and from the fertility of the earth: as the elders who saw John, the disciple of the Lord, related that they had heard from him how the Lord used to teach in regard to these times, and say: “The days will come, in which vines shall grow, each having ten thousand branches, and in each branch ten thousand twigs, and in each true twig ten thousand shoots, and in each one of the shoots ten thousand dusters, and on every one of the clusters ten thousand grapes, and every grape when pressed will give five and twenty metretes of wine. And when any one of the saints shall lay hold of a cluster, another shall cry out, I am a better cluster, take me; bless the Lord through me. In like manner [the Lord declared] that ... all animals feeding [only] on the productions of the earth, should [in those days] become peaceful and harmonious among each other, and be in perfect subjection to man (Against Heresies Book V, Chapter 33:3).

Here, Irenaeus quotes Papias. But we can see that this earth imagined wasn’t one that contained wickedness and the wicked, but perfection and fruitfulness. Irenaeus believes “creation” will be “renovated and set free” at the resurrection of the just, whereupon the glorified righteous will then reign over the perfected earth that “shall fructify with an abundance of all kinds of food, from the dew of heaven, and from the fertility of the earth.” He backs his belief up with a quote from Papias.

Irenaeus millennium is completely different to that envisioned by modern-day Premillennialists. Whilst he believed in a millennial period after the coming of Christ he saw a perfect incorruptible transitionary period that would simply be porch-way for the redeemed (alone) into the eternal state. This would be a time totally free of the wicked, wickedness and corruption: “the righteous shall bear rule upon their rising from the dead; when also the creation, having been renovated and set free.” He enlarges:

That the whole creation shall, according to God’s will, obtain a vast increase, that it may bring forth and sustain fruits such [as we have mentioned], Isaiah declares: “And there shall be upon every high mountain, and upon every prominent hill, water running everywhere in that day, when many shall perish, when walls shall fall. And the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, seven times that of the day, when He shall heal the anguish of His people, and do away with the pain of His stroke.” Now “the pain of the stroke” means that inflicted at the beginning upon disobedient man in Adam, that is, death; which [stroke] the Lord will heal when He raises us from the dead, and restores the inheritance of the fathers (Against Heresies Book V, Chapter 34:2).

Irenaeus does not see any more death after the second coming. With the glorification of believers and their population of the millennial earth, death is terminated. This early Chiliast expands:

For then there shall in truth be a common joy consummated to all those who believe unto life, and in each individual shall be confirmed the mystery of the Resurrection, and the hope of incorruption, and the commencement of the eternal kingdom, when God shall have destroyed death and the devil. For that human nature and flesh which has risen again from the dead shall die no more; but after it had been changed to incorruption, and made like to spirit, when the heaven was opened, [our Lord] full of glory offered it (the flesh) to the Father (Fragments from the Lost Writings of Irenaeus, Fragment L).

It is necessary to tell them respecting those things, that it behoves the righteous first to receive the promise of the inheritance which God promised to the fathers, and to reign in it, when they rise again to behold God in this creation which is renovated, and that the judgment should take place afterwards. For it is just that in that very creation in which they toiled or were afflicted, being proved in every way by suffering, they should receive the reward of their suffering; and that in the creation in which they were slain because of their love to God, in that they should be revived again; and that in the creation in which they endured servitude, in that they should reign. For God is rich in all things, and all things are His. It is fitting, therefore, that the creation itself, being restored to its primeval condition, should without restraint be under the dominion of the righteous; and the apostle has made this plain in the Epistle to the Romans, when he thus speaks: “For the expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. For the creature has been subjected to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope; since the creature itself shall also be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the sons of God” (Against Heresies Book V, Chapter 32:1).

Irenaeus testifies to the curse being lifted in a future millennium. The earth, in his opinion, will be returned to its pre-fall state. This coincides with the glorification of the just. For him: “the pain of the stroke” … the Lord will heal when He raises us from the dead, and restores the inheritance of the fathers.” He contends: “the [earthly] kingdom … is the commencement of incorruption.” Speaking of the “the resurrection of the just” he submits: “they rise again to behold God in this creation which is renovated.” The earth, the writer anticipates, is only for the righteous. He affirms: “It is fitting, therefore, that the creation itself, being restored to its primeval condition, should without restraint be under the dominion of the righteous.” There is no allowance, as modern-day Premil argue, for the curse, the wicked wickedness, or Satan to blight the new earth. This thousand-year era is depicted as the Sabbath reign of Christ and the righteous.

Irenaeus also advocated that it is fitting that the resurrected saints would reign in the same world where they had labored and suffered bodily. Where they once endured pain and bondage, they would enjoy freedom and authority. Man and creation are portrayed as being in perfect sync. The one notable aspect of early Chiliasm, which distinguishes it from modern Premillennialism, is its view of a future millennial earth. The early Chiliasts expected a perfect regenerated earth free of sin, sinners, Satan and the curse. Modern-day Premillennialism locates all of this on its future millennial earth.

This would be a it was only just that they be raised bodily and given rewards in the same world in which they had suffered. , on this A theme first expressed most explicitly and most forcefully by Irenaeus was that since the saints

Irenaeus states:

The Lord will come from heaven in the clouds, in the glory of the Father, sending this man (Antichrist ) and those who follow him into the lake of fire; but bringing in for the righteous the times of the kingdom, that is, the rest, the hallowed seventh day; and restoring to Abraham the promised inheritance, in which kingdom the Lord declared, that “many coming from the east and from the west should sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob” (Against Heresies Book V, Chapter 32:1).

The picture being portrayed here is that of a perfect environment consisting perfected beings being at total rest. This is a picture of millennial bliss.

Irenaeus adds:

These are [to take place] in the times of the kingdom, that is, upon the seventh day, which has been sanctified, in which God rested from all the works which He created, which is the true Sabbath of the righteous, which they shall not be engaged in any earthly occupation; but shall have a table at hand prepared for them by God, supplying them with all sorts of dishes. (Against Heresies Book V, Chapter 33:2).

The millennial earth is depicted as heaven on earth. It is devoid of any form of corruption or rebellion. There is no allowance made for the wicked. It is the abode of the righteous alone who are depicted as enjoying the bliss and rest of paradise before the fall.

Irenaeus elaborates on the early Chiliast expectation in a future millennium:

For as it is God truly who raises up man, so also does man truly rise from the dead, and not allegorically … and shall go forwards and flourish in the times of the kingdom, in order that he may be capable of receiving the glory of the Father (Against Heresies Book V, Chapter 35:2).

When this [present] fashion [of things] passes away, and man has been renewed, and flourishes in an incorruptible state, so as to preclude the possibility of becoming old, [then] there shall be the new heaven and the new earth, in which the new man shall remain [continually], always holding fresh converse with God. And since (or, that) these things shall ever continue without end (Against Heresies Book V, Chapter 36:1).

Irenaeus concludes:

In the end of time He shall come to do away with all evil, and to reconcile all things, in order that there may be an end of all impurities (Fragments from the Lost Writings of Irenaeus, XXXIX).

Tertullian:

Previous to Christ's coming, our prayers are directed towards the end of this world, to the passing away thereof at the great day of the Lord— of His wrath and vengeance— the last day, which is hidden (from all), and known to none but the Father, although announced beforehand by signs and wonders, and the dissolution of the elements, and the conflicts of nations (On the Resurrection of the Flesh, Chapter XXII).

What a spectacle is that fast-approaching advent of our Lord, now owned by all, now highly exalted, now a triumphant One! What that exultation of the angelic hosts! What the glory of the rising saints! What the kingdom of the just thereafter! What the city New Jerusalem! Yes, and there are other sights: that last day of judgment, with its everlasting issues; that day unlooked for by the nations, the theme of their derision, when the world hoary with age, and all its many products, shall be consumed in one great flame! (De Spectaculis, Chapter XXX).

Where exactly are the saints said to be during the Chiliast millennium? Tertullian locates them in the New Jerusalem in Against Marcion Book III, Chapter XXV:

We do confess that a kingdom is promised to us upon the earth, although before heaven, only in another state of existence; inasmuch as it will be after the resurrection for a thousand years in the divinely-built city of Jerusalem, let down from heaven … We say that this city has been provided by God for receiving the saints on their resurrection, and refreshing them with the abundance of all really spiritual blessings, as a recompense for those which in the world we have either despised or lost; since it is both just and God-worthy that His servants should have their joy in the place where they have also suffered affliction for His name’s sake.

Tertullian tells us that “the saints on their resurrection” will possess “the divinely-built city of Jerusalem” which is said to be “let down from heaven” unto “the earth” at Christ’s Coming, “only in another state of existence.” The writer then suggests that the redeemed that are alive when Jesus comes experience “a sudden change, to become qualified to join the rising saints.” Tertullian describes our current corrupt bodies as “the garment of the flesh” which must (of necessity) be “put off” at the Second Coming.

Like Irenaeus, Tertullian seems to see the return of man to this current earth in its perfected form in his new glorified body as a sign of ultimate victory over sin. The redeemed are therefore suitably rewarded for their sufferings in this life. Where they suffered loss, they now experience gain. Where they suffered “affliction” they now experience “joy.” This anticipated millennial earth is represented as a vindication of the saints.

Hippolytus briefly states:

The righteous shall obtain the incorruptible and unfading kingdom, who indeed are at present detained in Hades (Fragments of Hippolytus 1).

He does not seem to go into detail on the matter of discipline in a future millennial kingdom. Like his view on Hades for the dead in Christ, he seems to anticipate a state and an age that is full of rewards for the righteous and full of rest.
They do not even quote Scripture. Such a low expectation you place on them. Yet you demand Scriptures from pre-mill. It is John who claims many will follow Satan at the end. Revelation 20:7-8

7 When the thousand years are over, the Adversary will be set free from his prison
8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for the battle. Their number is countless as the sand on the seashore;

You reject John the beloved disciple, yet accept those a hundred years later?

Can you quote one pre-mill of today who claim the sinners and sin are present in the millennium?
 
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