As Christians, do we worship God or Jesus?

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My wife and I were having dinner this evening and we started talking about our church and the music. While talking, I mentioned that I had to read the lyrics before singing because I was very careful to not worship Jesus.
The church we attend is southern baptist and it great, but I definitely disagree with some of the music and prayers I hear where people are..basically...worshiping Jesus. Now sure, I know trinity and all that..but we are to workship God, not Jesus.
In my head, God is our father, Jesus is our savior, and the holy spirit moves in all things. All three work to make each other possible, but through and through..Jesus is my savior, my leader, and my friend while God is my God.

What say you oh mighty Christian forums? Thanks and God Bless....
brady
Everything that was created was created by through and for The Christ Jesus. Christ was with God The Father in the beginning and is our high priest forever. He is worthy of praise and worship forever.
 
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The church we attend is southern baptist and it great, but I definitely disagree with some of the music and prayers I hear where people are..basically...worshiping Jesus. Now sure, I know trinity and all that..but we are to workship God, not Jesus.
Well, Jesus IS God so that could answer the question right there. You are referring to the Father when you say "God," but in truth all three are God.

However, this is my question...What do you mean when you say you take care not to worship Jesus? What acts do you consider to be "worship" and so you've avoided them??
 
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If you don't think Jesus is God you're going to have a rude awakening come Judgement day. That's all I have to say.

Exactly, even this Forum for the most part has that as part of their doctrinal statement if you are going to be a "Christian" and post in most sections of the board. And most Church's likewise either use the Nicene Creed or have a newer Faith statement that covers the checkpoints only in more modern English.
 
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My wife and I were having dinner this evening and we started talking about our church and the music. While talking, I mentioned that I had to read the lyrics before singing because I was very careful to not worship Jesus.
The church we attend is southern baptist and it great, but I definitely disagree with some of the music and prayers I hear where people are..basically...worshiping Jesus. Now sure, I know trinity and all that..but we are to workship God, not Jesus.
In my head, God is our father, Jesus is our savior, and the holy spirit moves in all things. All three work to make each other possible, but through and through..Jesus is my savior, my leader, and my friend while God is my God.

What say you oh mighty Christian forums? Thanks and God Bless....
brady


Many years ago there is a thing in Christianity called Arianism, where many people did not believe Jesus was fully divine. It's been thoroughly refuted as far as Christianity goes for the last 1670+ years or so that is after all why Christians are so adamant about Jesus' divinity and the Trinity. But you should probably at some time read a little about it when you got the time.


Arianism - Wikipedia
 
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If you don't think Jesus is God you're going to have a rude awakening come Judgement day. That's all I have to say.

And what exactly do you think will happen to some poor soul who is a bit confused about things on that day?
 
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My wife and I were having dinner this evening and we started talking about our church and the music. While talking, I mentioned that I had to read the lyrics before singing because I was very careful to not worship Jesus.
The church we attend is southern baptist and it great, but I definitely disagree with some of the music and prayers I hear where people are..basically...worshiping Jesus. Now sure, I know trinity and all that..but we are to workship God, not Jesus.
In my head, God is our father, Jesus is our savior, and the holy spirit moves in all things. All three work to make each other possible, but through and through..Jesus is my savior, my leader, and my friend while God is my God.

What say you oh mighty Christian forums? Thanks and God Bless....
brady
Jesus Christ of Nazareth gave us a model prayer that begins with " Our Father".
Maybe take His advice. Be blessed.
 
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Last I read, Jesus was the son of God. And yes. Jesus may be due all respect that God himself is, and may even be as almighty as God, but he is still the son of God, someone to whom God the father is well pleased.

Jesus represents God, and for all intents and purposes, might as well be God, or something very close, but once again, he is still the son of God, a different being.
 
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Jesus represents God, and for all intents and purposes, might as well be God, or something very close, but once again, he is still the son of God, a different being.

Jesus is God.
He is not a "different being", he was with God in the beginning and all things are created through him, John 1:1-2, John 17:5, Colossians 1:15-16, Hebrews 1:2-3.
 
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My wife and I were having dinner this evening and we started talking about our church and the music. While talking, I mentioned that I had to read the lyrics before singing because I was very careful to not worship Jesus.
The church we attend is southern baptist and it great, but I definitely disagree with some of the music and prayers I hear where people are..basically...worshiping Jesus. Now sure, I know trinity and all that..but we are to workship God, not Jesus.
In my head, God is our father, Jesus is our savior, and the holy spirit moves in all things. All three work to make each other possible, but through and through..Jesus is my savior, my leader, and my friend while God is my God.

What say you oh mighty Christian forums? Thanks and God Bless....
brady
God is the Father, he is the Son and he is the Holy Spirit and when we worship one we worship God.

There a bunch of verses that show direct worship to Jesus for example:

Phil 2:9-11
Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

It's hard to argue with that one. Even if you refuse there will be a day when every knee will bow, including yours. But I think your devotion to true worship is commendable and it certainly is important to understand what it is you stand for rather than sing any lyric that comes your way.
 
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I haven't read all the posts on this thread, so apologies if someone has already talked about this.

I see it this way.
in John 5, Jesus says "all may honor the Son, in the same way as they honor the Father."

then we can see that put into practice in Revelation 5, "to the one sitting on the throne and to the lamb",
then the beings in heaven say words of praise and worship.

so, imo, if they are doing it in heaven, it's okay for us to do here on earth.
 
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My wife and I were having dinner this evening and we started talking about our church and the music. While talking, I mentioned that I had to read the lyrics before singing because I was very careful to not worship Jesus.
The church we attend is southern baptist and it great, but I definitely disagree with some of the music and prayers I hear where people are..basically...worshiping Jesus. Now sure, I know trinity and all that..but we are to workship God, not Jesus.
In my head, God is our father, Jesus is our savior, and the holy spirit moves in all things. All three work to make each other possible, but through and through..Jesus is my savior, my leader, and my friend while God is my God.

What say you oh mighty Christian forums? Thanks and God Bless....
brady

We pray to the Father, but we worship both the Father and the Son!
 
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Jesus is God.
He is not a "different being", he was with God in the beginning and all things are created through him, John 1:1-2, John 17:5, Colossians 1:15-16, Hebrews 1:2-3.

Then he was not the son of God?

Was there a God in heaven as Christ prayed to him from the cross, or not?

Was Jesus praying to himself at that time?

People act as if they have such a great understanding of this, yet they leave a multitude of unanswered questions. It's no wonder some are confused about this as it makes no sense at all the way some present it.
 
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Then he was not the son of God?

Was there a God in heaven as Christ prayed to him from the cross, or not?

Was Jesus praying to himself at that time?

People act as if they have such a great understanding of this, yet they leave a multitude of unanswered questions. It's no wonder some are confused about this as it makes no sense at all the way some present it.

Yes there was a God in heaven at that time, just as there is a God in heaven now and there is the Holy Ghost of God in believers.
 
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Then he was not the son of God?

Yes, and God the Son.
Jesus was God and also 100% human. Paul said that he chose to lay aside his divine status; he did not announce he was God or demand that people treat him as God.

Was there a God in heaven as Christ prayed to him from the cross, or not?

Of course there was.

Was Jesus praying to himself at that time?

No, he was praying to his heavenly Father.
Jesus is not God the Father, Jesus is God the Son, but he, and the Spirit, are God.

People act as if they have such a great understanding of this, yet they leave a multitude of unanswered questions. It's no wonder some are confused about this as it makes no sense at all the way some present it.

There ARE unanswered questions. There have to be - God is eternal, divine and infinite; we are finite, human and mortal. How can we possibly understand the nature of the eternal, triune God with our small finite minds?
In fact, if we could he wouldn't be God - we'd have him all figured out and contained in a nice box and there'd be no room at al for faith. We would, in fact, be saying that we were greater than God because we perfectly understood him. And God himself says that his ways are higher than our ways and his thoughts higher than ours.
 
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The text from the Athanasian Creed sums up the answer to this question perfectly:-

"Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith. Which faith unless every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly. And the catholic faith is this: that we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the Essence. For there is one Person of the Father; another of the Son; and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one; the Glory equal, the Majesty coeternal. Such as the Father is; such is the Son; and such is the Holy Ghost. The Father uncreated; the Son uncreated; and the Holy Ghost uncreated. The Father unlimited; the Son unlimited; and the Holy Ghost unlimited. The Father eternal; the Son eternal; and the Holy Ghost eternal. And yet they are not three eternals; but one eternal. As also there are not three uncreated; nor three infinites, but one uncreated; and one infinite. So likewise the Father is Almighty; the Son Almighty; and the Holy Ghost Almighty. And yet they are not three Almighties; but one Almighty. So the Father is God; the Son is God; and the Holy Ghost is God."
 
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My wife and I were having dinner this evening and we started talking about our church and the music. While talking, I mentioned that I had to read the lyrics before singing because I was very careful to not worship Jesus.
The church we attend is southern baptist and it great, but I definitely disagree with some of the music and prayers I hear where people are..basically...worshiping Jesus. Now sure, I know trinity and all that..but we are to workship God, not Jesus.
In my head, God is our father, Jesus is our savior, and the holy spirit moves in all things. All three work to make each other possible, but through and through..Jesus is my savior, my leader, and my friend while God is my God.

What say you oh mighty Christian forums? Thanks and God Bless....
brady
Is the following verse referring to the Father or the Son?

Colossians 1:16
For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities all things have been created through Him and for Him.
 
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My wife and I were having dinner this evening and we started talking about our church and the music. While talking, I mentioned that I had to read the lyrics before singing because I was very careful to not worship Jesus.
The church we attend is southern baptist and it great, but I definitely disagree with some of the music and prayers I hear where people are..basically...worshiping Jesus. Now sure, I know trinity and all that..but we are to workship God, not Jesus.
In my head, God is our father, Jesus is our savior, and the holy spirit moves in all things. All three work to make each other possible, but through and through..Jesus is my savior, my leader, and my friend while God is my God.

What say you oh mighty Christian forums? Thanks and God Bless....
brady
Hi Brady.

Have you ever read Hebrews?

Here's an excerpt from chapter 1.
I encourage you to read it very closely.
Hebrews 1 :: New King James Version (NKJV)

God’s Supreme Revelation
(cf. John 1:1–4 )
1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; 3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
The Son Exalted Above Angels
5 For to which of the angels did He ever say:
“You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”
 ?​
And again:
“I will be to Him a Father,
And He shall be to Me a Son”
 ?​
6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:
“Let all the angels of God worship Him.”
7 And of the angels He says:
“Who makes His angels spirits
And His ministers a flame of fire.”
8 But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A
scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God,
has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
We don't worship Jesus because he's not God.
We worship him because the Father says to worship him.
Here's some more for you.
According to Colossians 1:16-19, Jesus created everything.
According to John 1:3, Jesus created everything.
According to Ephesians 3:9, Jesus created everything.
According to Genesis 1:1, and Psalms 33:6-9 God created everything.

According to Isaiah 43:10-11, God is Savior, and there is no other.
According to Hosea 13:4, God is Savior, and there is no other.

According to Titus 1:3-4, God is Savior, and Jesus is Savior.
According to Titus 2:10, and Titus 2:13, Jesus is Savior, and God is Savior.
According to Titus 3:4, and Titus 3:6, God is our Savior, and Jesus is our Savior.

WE then have Isaiah 45:23, Every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess to God.
Philippians 2:10-11, every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the Glory of God the Father.

So.... we do not worship Jesus because we think it's something special.
We worship him because the Father says to.

6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:
“Let all the angels of God worship Him.”
 
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My wife and I were having dinner this evening and we started talking about our church and the music. While talking, I mentioned that I had to read the lyrics before singing because I was very careful to not worship Jesus.
The church we attend is southern baptist and it great, but I definitely disagree with some of the music and prayers I hear where people are..basically...worshiping Jesus. Now sure, I know trinity and all that..but we are to workship God, not Jesus.
In my head, God is our father, Jesus is our savior, and the holy spirit moves in all things. All three work to make each other possible, but through and through..Jesus is my savior, my leader, and my friend while God is my God.

What say you oh mighty Christian forums? Thanks and God Bless....
brady

Jesus is God. God is Jesus. We are worshipping the same being whether we say Jesus or God.
 
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