The Bible and moderate drinking

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Hello! For most of my life, I've understood drinking to be sinful under all circumstances. However, while the Bible condemns drunkenness in no uncertain terms (see 1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Ephesians 5:18), I've come across some verses that cause me to question if alcohol consumption is always sinful.

The first passage I'd like to consider is Psalm 104:14-15 (NKJV, emphasis mine):

He causes the grass to grow for the cattle,
And vegetation for the service of man,
That he may bring forth food from the earth,
And wine that makes glad the heart of man,
Oil to make his face shine,
And bread which strengthens man’s heart.


The passage above teaches that God actually intends wine for us to make our hearts glad. For passages that speak of wine in a good way, I've often heard preachers explain that the wine is non-alcoholic. However, while it's true that different words are used of wine in the original languages of the Bible, the Hebrew word used in this verse for wine is yayin, which according to Strong’s Definitions means "wine (as fermented); by implication, intoxication:—banqueting, wine, wine(-bibber)." Does this teach that God intends fermented wine as a blessing, then?

There's also Isaiah 25:6 (emphasis mine):

And in this mountain
The Lord of hosts will make for all people
A feast of choice pieces,
A feast of wines on the lees,
Of fat things full of marrow,
Of well-refined wines on the lees.


Isn't this speaking of "wines on the lees" (aged wine) as a good thing?

The third and final passage I'd like to consider is John 2:1-11, the record of Jesus turning water to wine. The Greek word translated "wine" here is oinos. I've heard that this word can refer to either alcoholic or non-alcoholic wine depending on the context, and so I've always been told that the "wine" in this passage is non-alcoholic. However, there's something in the context I didn't know about, specifically what the master of the feast said in verse 10: "Every man at the beginning sets out the good wine, and when the guests have well drunk, then the inferior. You have kept the good wine until now!" (emphasis mine). Some claim that non-alcoholic wine was considered the "good wine" back then. However, the Greek word translated "drunk" is methuo, which according to Strong’s Definitions means "to drink to intoxication, i.e. get drunk:—drink well, make (be) drunk(-en)."

Now obviously, since drunkenness is condemned, Jesus didn't endorse that. However, it appears that the "good wine" here contains alcohol, since we read that it was possible to get "well drunk" (methuo) on the good wine referenced.

What are your thoughts? Do these passages endorse the moderate consumption of alcohol? Thanks in advance for your input!
 

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“All things are lawful,” but not all things are helpful. “All things are lawful,” but not all things build up. —1 Corinthians 10:23

Alcohol consumption is not harmful for some and a stumbling block for others. My convictions don’t lead me to abstain. I’m not an alcoholic and have no genetic predisposition for alcoholism.

Yours in His Service,

~Bella
 
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Funny that you post this bc I'm drinking now. Not heavy drinking but a shot or 2 of vodka with sprite. I know I shouldn't drink but I'm so stressed out of what's going on with me. Please forgive me God and Jesus. Please help me stop drinking
 
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Don't get drunk.

But if you want to have some wine with your steak or knock back some beers with your NFL, feel free. Anybody who says otherwise is a legalist.
 
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Hello! For most of my life, I've understood drinking to be sinful under all circumstances. However, while the Bible condemns drunkenness in no uncertain terms (see 1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Ephesians 5:18), I've come across some verses that cause me to question if alcohol consumption is always sinful.

The first passage I'd like to consider is Psalm 104:14-15 (NKJV, emphasis mine):

He causes the grass to grow for the cattle,
And vegetation for the service of man,
That he may bring forth food from the earth,
And wine that makes glad the heart of man,
Oil to make his face shine,
And bread which strengthens man’s heart.


The passage above teaches that God actually intends wine for us to make our hearts glad. For passages that speak of wine in a good way, I've often heard preachers explain that the wine is non-alcoholic. However, while it's true that different words are used of wine in the original languages of the Bible, the Hebrew word used in this verse for wine is yayin, which according to Strong’s Definitions means "wine (as fermented); by implication, intoxication:—banqueting, wine, wine(-bibber)." Does this teach that God intends fermented wine as a blessing, then?

There's also Isaiah 25:6 (emphasis mine):

And in this mountain
The Lord of hosts will make for all people
A feast of choice pieces,
A feast of wines on the lees,
Of fat things full of marrow,
Of well-refined wines on the lees.


Isn't this speaking of "wines on the lees" (aged wine) as a good thing?

The third and final passage I'd like to consider is John 2:1-11, the record of Jesus turning water to wine. The Greek word translated "wine" here is oinos. I've heard that this word can refer to either alcoholic or non-alcoholic wine depending on the context, and so I've always been told that the "wine" in this passage is non-alcoholic. However, there's something in the context I didn't know about, specifically what the master of the feast said in verse 10: "Every man at the beginning sets out the good wine, and when the guests have well drunk, then the inferior. You have kept the good wine until now!" (emphasis mine). Some claim that non-alcoholic wine was considered the "good wine" back then. However, the Greek word translated "drunk" is methuo, which according to Strong’s Definitions means "to drink to intoxication, i.e. get drunk:—drink well, make (be) drunk(-en)."

Now obviously, since drunkenness is condemned, Jesus didn't endorse that. However, it appears that the "good wine" here contains alcohol, since we read that it was possible to get "well drunk" (methuo) on the good wine referenced.

What are your thoughts? Do these passages endorse the moderate consumption of alcohol? Thanks in advance for your input!

We can sidestep the details.

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.

So that's that. Be sober. Smoke, drink, inject.....whatever. Just strive to remain sober enough to stay out of trouble.

Ephesians 5:18
And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit,

Romans 12:2
Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.

1 Peter 4:7
The end of all things is at hand; therefore be self-controlled and sober-minded for the sake of your prayers.
 
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Don't get drunk.

But if you want to have some wine with your steak or knock back some beers with your NFL, feel free. Anybody who says otherwise is a legalist.
I recently changed my belief on this. I believed no amount of alcohol was acceptable.
 
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No one ever opposes portion sizes or all-you-can eat buffets. We’re always pursuing the small target and ignoring what’s in our face.

Yours in His Service,

~Bella
I am sure that I am not against every social evil, but this one is personal for me, since my grandmother was addicted to alcohol.
 
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I am against alcohol consumption, not because it is sinful, in and of itself, but because it is a social evil. I do not expect most posters here to agree with me.
Just to let you know I think you misunderstood what I said. You selected agree on my post but I was saying that I now think drinking in moderation is acceptable.
 
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I am sure that I am not against every social evil, but this one is personal for me, since my grandmother was addicted to alcohol.

Basil,

That’s understandable. :)

Most people aren’t alcoholics. However, a large portion of American society struggles with weight. Portion size and diet are big part of that. But you rarely hear the topic addressed by Christians.

Yours in His Service,

~Bella
 
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Just to let you know I think you misunderstood what I said. You selected agree on my post but I was saying that I now think drinking in moderation is acceptable.
Thanks for the clarification.
 
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Basil,

That’s understandable. :)

Most people aren’t alcoholics. However, a large portion of American society struggles with weight. Portion size and diet are big part of that. But you rarely hear the topic addressed by Christians.

Yours in His Service,

~Bella
Yes, you are indeed correct and one can make a strong case that obesity causes more health problems that drinking alcohol.
 
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Basil,

That’s understandable. :)

Most people aren’t alcoholics. However, a large portion of American society struggles with weight. Portion size and diet are big part of that. But you rarely hear the topic addressed by Christians.

Yours in His Service,

~Bella
If gluttony is a sin, it is one that is rarely mentioned by Christians in 2020, be they clergy or members in the pews. Having said that, it is true that genetics plays a role in weight problems for many, though by no means all.
 
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If gluttony is a sin, it is one that is rarely mentioned by Christians in 2020, be they clergy or members in the pews. Having said that, it is true that genetics plays a role in weight problems for many, though by no means all.

Basil,

Gluttony includes all forms of over-indulgence. I’m not surprised it isn’t addressed lest it put things on the hot seat few want to relinquish. ;)

Plus, churches are notorious for gatherings with lots of food.

Yours in His Service,

~Bella
 
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Even the taboo of getting drunk isn't necessarily a problem.

Think about it, getting drunk on rare occasion does not a drunkard make, while consistancy does, yet men will cause us to believe that, just as they will try to make us believe all drinking is wrong when it is not.
 
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The Bible and moderate drinking
Jesus & Paul drank alcohol.
If it causes your neighbor to stumble, don't do so in his/her presence.
If it cause YOU to sin, lose it [Matthew 5:29-30].
 
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It basically boils down to

1) Can you drink responsibly? and
2) Is it okay with your own conscience?

If the answer to those two questions is yes, then there's no problem.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Funny that you post this bc I'm drinking now. Not heavy drinking but a shot or 2 of vodka with sprite. I know I shouldn't drink but I'm so stressed out of what's going on with me. Please forgive me God and Jesus. Please help me stop drinking


Proverbs 31:6
Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.

Ecclesiastes 9:7 ESV
Go, eat your bread with joy, and drink your wine with a merry heart, for God has already approved what you do.

Psalm 104:14-15 ESV
You cause the grass to grow for the livestock and plants for man to cultivate, that he may bring forth food from the earth and wine to gladden the heart of man, oil to make his face shine and bread to strengthen man's heart.

1 Corinthians 6:12 ESV
“All things are lawful for me,” but not all things are helpful. “All things are lawful for me,” but I will not be enslaved by anything.


Sure, the Bible encourages caution. But, don't beat yourself up. If a drink eases the troubles of the day, then by all means, partake. But, since it concerns you, use that caution.
 
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