Question about the death of Mary - the mother of Jesus

BobRyan said:

(Not the I would have anything against the idea that someone would be bodily resurrected and then bodily assumed into heaven - as was likely the case with all those resurrected in Matthew 27)

But history suggests that Mary died in Ephesus under the care of the Apostle John.

Even so: we have this - Tomb of Mary « See The Holy Land.

"The New Testament says nothing about the death and burial of Mary, the Mother of Jesus, but a strong Christian tradition places her tomb in a dimly-lit church at the foot of the Mount of Olives.
The large crypt containing the empty tomb in the Church of the Assumption is all that remains of an early 5th-century church, making it possibly the oldest near-complete religious building in Jerusalem. "

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When did Mary die? How did Mary die? | GotQuestions.org
"In the early 1800s, Catholic mystic Catherine Emmerich had a vision in which she claimed to have seen Mary’s final minutes. In her vision, Catherine describes the apostles’ presence at Mary’s deathbed, Peter’s administering of the Mass and extreme unction to Mary, her death (at the same hour as Jesus had died), her spirit’s ascension into heaven (accompanied by many souls released from purgatory), her burial, and her body’s assumption the following night. We have absolutely no reason to believe anything that Catherine Emmerich claims to have seen in her extra-biblical (and very Catholic) visions.

In the end, we must accept the fact that we do not have any information concerning Mary’s later life or her death. The focus of the Bible is Jesus’ death and resurrection"

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My personal belief from the facts of the Bible is that
1. John was given charge of taking care of Mary by Jesus Himself as He was dying on the cross.
2. John took Mary to Ephesus where she died.
3. Mary was older than John and John lived until almost the end of the first century.
4. IF Mary's death had been even 1 iota out of "the norm" John would have written about it to let the church know that she experienced some singular event at her death, or before her death, or after her death. He did not mention anything at all in that regard - and the last book he wrote was the Gospel of John - written in Ephesus -- after the death of Mary.
His silence on that subject speaks volumes.
5. By contrast those that do believe some rather singular and significant things about Mary's death or assumption or resurrection or .... consider it a detail well worth mentioning -- as they should.

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BobRyan said:

Does not address any of the points listed in my post --

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My personal belief from the facts of the Bible is that
1. John was given charge of taking care of Mary by Jesus Himself as He was dying on the cross.
2. John took Mary to Ephesus where she died.
3. Mary was older than John and John lived until almost the end of the first century.
4. IF Mary's death had been even 1 iota out of "the norm" John would have written about it to let the church know that she experienced some singular event at her death, or before her death, or after her death. He did not mention anything at all in that regard - and the last book he wrote was the Gospel of John - written in Ephesus -- after the death of Mary.
His silence on that subject speaks volumes.
5. By contrast those that do believe some rather singular and significant things about Mary's death or assumption or resurrection or .... consider it a detail well worth mentioning -- as they should.

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BobRyan said:

Does not address any of the points listed in my post --

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My personal belief from the facts of the Bible is that
1. John was given charge of taking care of Mary by Jesus Himself as He was dying on the cross.
2. John took Mary to Ephesus where she died.
3. Mary was older than John and John lived until almost the end of the first century.
4. IF Mary's death had been even 1 iota out of "the norm" John would have written about it to let the church know that she experienced some singular event at her death, or before her death, or after her death. He did not mention anything at all in that regard - and the last book he wrote was the Gospel of John - written in Ephesus -- after the death of Mary.
His silence on that subject speaks volumes.
5. By contrast those that do believe some rather singular and significant things about Mary's death or assumption or resurrection or .... consider it a detail well worth mentioning -- as they should.

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BobRyan said:

Is it your claim that the Catholic church has remained silent on the death of Mary regarding anything at all unusual about it - so as to "not shock the minds of men"??

So then the bodily resurrection of all those folks in Matthew 27, and resurrection of Christ, and resurrection of all the people Peter and Paul raised, and Christ ascending bodily up to heaven... none of that would "shock the minds of mankind" - but having Mary be resurrected would shock all mankind?

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BobRyan said:

Does not address any of the points listed in my post --

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My personal belief from the facts of the Bible is that
1. John was given charge of taking care of Mary by Jesus Himself as He was dying on the cross.
2. John took Mary to Ephesus where she died.
3. Mary was older than John and John lived until almost the end of the first century.
4. IF Mary's death had been even 1 iota out of "the norm" John would have written about it to let the church know that she experienced some singular event at her death, or before her death, or after her death. He did not mention anything at all in that regard - and the last book he wrote was the Gospel of John - written in Ephesus -- after the death of Mary.
His silence on that subject speaks volumes.
5. By contrast those that do believe some rather singular and significant things about Mary's death or assumption or resurrection or .... consider it a detail well worth mentioning -- as they should.

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BobRyan said:

that would do it.

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BobRyan said:

Gospel of John late in the first century --

• The book has a very high view of Christ’s divinity (John 1:1-5, 14:6, etc.), suggesting a late date.
• The book refers to people being put out of the synagogues (John 9:22, 12:42, 16:2), suggesting a date after the final break with Judaism, which is often claimed to be around A.D. 85.
• The book refers to “the Jews” as a separate and frequently hostile group (John 1:19, 2:18, 20, etc.).

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BobRyan said:

Is it your claim that the Catholic church has remained silent on the death of Mary regarding anything at all unusual about it - so as to "not shock the minds of men"?

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Aspzan said:

They're not silent about it. They believe and teach the Assumption.

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