Can the Dietary Law Get You Cut Off From God

Junia · Sep 23, 2020

Strong in Him said:
I do obey the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Jesus said nothing about Gentiles needing to keep OT dietary laws. Fact.
You can carry on finding odd verses, putting them together with OT passages and using them to try to prove your point if you like.
Jesus Christ, God on earth, the Messiah and Saviour of the world has offered his life as a sacrifice to reconcile both Jew and Gentile to God. This is the only way of salvation. Both Jew and Gentile ARE the same before God because we are both saved by his Son; not by our own efforts, but by the blood of Christ. An unbeliever who has heard of Jesus and rejected him is in the same position, spiritually, as a Jew who has rejected God's Messiah.

Christ has now made it possible for both Jew and Gentile to be saved and reconciled to God. This does not mean that he says "right, now that you Gentiles are my people, you are subject to the law that the ancient Hebrews had to keep to show that they were my people. You have to keep all the rules that I gave them."
That would make a mockery of what Christ did - it is HE who has reconciled us to God, made us God's people and saved us. Jesus makes us holy, gives us eternal life, makes us children of God, not laws given to Moses.

I don't see any point in continuing this discussion. You will disagree with what I have just said - ignoring all the Scriptures I have previously given showing that only Jesus gives eternal life, while avoiding my questions about whether you keep ALL the laws of Leviticus - and I will disagree with your reason for saying so.

Like I have said; you carry on obeying the law if you want to.

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Am thinking of.giving up pork for health reasons and shellfish too. Won't bother with the whole.kosher kitchen thing but giving up buying pork and shellfish is easy

Junia · Sep 23, 2020

I will.continue to cook and eat meat.and dairy.together though. Beef stroganoff and lasagne too yummy to give up

Strong in Him · Sep 23, 2020

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:
Am thinking of.giving up pork for health reasons and shellfish too. Won't bother with the whole.kosher kitchen thing but giving up buying pork and shellfish is easy

Following the food laws, or some of them, for health reasons is fine.
Following them, for yourself, because you feel that you should/it is right, is fine.
But it is not fine to insist that others follow them, and that it is a matter for salvation, or of obedience. (You aren't saying that; I'm just saying.)

I don't like shellfish so there's nothing for me to give up there. I also only eat pork/ham occasionally - but threads like this make me want to go and eat a bacon sarnie.

Junia · Sep 23, 2020

Strong in Him said:
Following the food laws, or some of them, for health reasons is fine.
Following them, for yourself, because you feel that you should/it is right, is fine.
But it is not fine to insist that others follow them, and that it is a matter for salvation, or of obedience. (You aren't saying that; I'm just saying.)

I don't like shellfish so there's nothing for me to give up there. I also only eat pork/ham occasionally - but threads like this make me want to go and eat a bacon sarnie.

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Yes, it definitely not salvation issue becAuse the Galatians didn't have to keep.food.laws.to be saved and we.are just like them. Paul's letters were written for the age of the Church which we are still in

Jipsah · Sep 24, 2020

Scott Husted said:
Peter consider this issue as tempting God ...

Citation, please.

Scott Husted · Sep 24, 2020

Jipsah said:
Citation, please.

Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

pescador · Sep 24, 2020

Scott Husted said:
Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

English translation: Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear?

Bro.T--2 · Sep 24, 2020

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:
The Israelites were enslaved in Egypt. The transatlantic slave trade did not.involve enslaving Israelites

Israel slavery begin in Egypt and in captivity now, under the Gentiles. Lets take a look at Deuteronomy 28: 68 And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you. Going back to Egypt again started Israelites under the Gentile nation.

Lets go into the future in Deuteronomy 30: 1 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the ablessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the Lord thy God hath driven thee,

2 And shalt return unto the Lord thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;

3 That then the Lord thy God will turn thy captivity, and have bcompassion upon thee, and will return and cgather thee from all the nations, whither the Lord thy God hath scattered thee.

4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the Lord thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:

5 And the Lord thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.

Shamawh · Sep 24, 2020

IMO if it is a sin of presumption or someone trick another into eating unclean than no way. I do think that if a person is knowledgeable in truth and mature in walk and sin committed enough can cut one off.

Isayah 59:1-3, “Behold, YHWH's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; nor His ear heavy, that it cannot hear. But your own iniquities have separated you from your Father; and your own sins have caused Him to hide His face from you, so He will not listen. For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; sin. Your lips have spoken lies, your tongue has muttered perverseness."

Bro.T--2 · Sep 24, 2020

Strong in Him said:
I do obey the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Jesus said nothing about Gentiles needing to keep OT dietary laws. Fact.
You can carry on finding odd verses, putting them together with OT passages and using them to try to prove your point if you like.
Jesus Christ, God on earth, the Messiah and Saviour of the world has offered his life as a sacrifice to reconcile both Jew and Gentile to God. This is the only way of salvation. Both Jew and Gentile ARE the same before God because we are both saved by his Son; not by our own efforts, but by the blood of Christ. An unbeliever who has heard of Jesus and rejected him is in the same position, spiritually, as a Jew who has rejected God's Messiah.

Christ has now made it possible for both Jew and Gentile to be saved and reconciled to God. This does not mean that he says "right, now that you Gentiles are my people, you are subject to the law that the ancient Hebrews had to keep to show that they were my people. You have to keep all the rules that I gave them."
That would make a mockery of what Christ did - it is HE who has reconciled us to God, made us God's people and saved us. Jesus makes us holy, gives us eternal life, makes us children of God, not laws given to Moses.

I don't see any point in continuing this discussion. You will disagree with what I have just said - ignoring all the Scriptures I have previously given showing that only Jesus gives eternal life, while avoiding my questions about whether you keep ALL the laws of Leviticus - and I will disagree with your reason for saying so.

Like I have said; you carry on obeying the law if you want to.

I agree with all those scriptures you post, Jesus did his part, only half 3 1/2 yrs, the other half at his second coming. We as christian we have to do our part, if it in the Bible it in there for a reason. We don't serve a vain God. But if you believe “once saved always saved” and that you can never fall away then check out the next verse me Paul say in (Heb. 6:4-6) (v.4) For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, (v.5) And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, (v.6) If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

You mean that you can be enlightened, be partakers of the Holy Ghost, taste the good word of God and still it’s possible for you to fall away. The Lord inspired Paul to write this here. Just as you choose to serve God of you own free will you can by that same free will decide to stop serving God. You are what is called a free agent, the choice is yours.

Strong in Him · Sep 25, 2020

Bro.T said:
You mean that you can be enlightened, be partakers of the Holy Ghost, taste the good word of God and still it’s possible for you to fall away.

I could do if I chose to turn my back on God, refuse to turn back, sin and refuse to repent; I have no intention of doing that.
Nothing can snatch me from God's hand and nothing can separate me from his love.
Jude also wrote that God is able to keep us from falling, Jude 24.

Bro.T--2 · Sep 25, 2020

Strong in Him said:
I could do if I chose to turn my back on God, refuse to turn back, sin and refuse to repent; I have no intention of doing that.
Nothing can snatch me from God's hand and nothing can separate me from his love.
Jude also wrote that God is able to keep us from falling, Jude 24.

I agree, but that connects with verse 17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; we cant loose sight on the things the Lord call sin. Paul says the same thing in Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope. Hardly no one wants to stop doing something that they didn't no was sin, that they
enjoyed. (Although unclean foods the Lord called abomination) But this lesson or topic is Jude 24, this is how the Lord keep us from falling.

Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you. And the coney, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you. And the hare (rabbit), because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you. And the swine (pig, pork), though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you. Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you. (Leviticus 11:4-8)

These are the beasts that shall not be eaten. Why? Because the Lord said so! Take a look at this verse in the book of St. John. Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you (John 15:14). So, if an individual call themselves a Christian or a friend of Christ, the swine (pig) should never be on your dinner plate or anything else that the Lord deems unclean. Remember that Christ is the ONE that gave the dietary law. Remember Christ was the Rock that followed our fathers in the cloud in the wilderness. Remember, He is the Lord and He change not. Remember Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever! It has nothing to do with an animal being a scavenger or anything else.

It has to do with thus say the Lord. He is the one that created us, HE knows what's good or not for His creation.

Shamawh · Sep 25, 2020

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:
I will.continue to cook and eat meat.and dairy.together though. Beef stroganoff and lasagne too yummy to give up

FYI there is no law prohibiting meat and dairy together found in the Scriptures, that is man made law

Strong in Him · Sep 26, 2020

Bro.T said:
These are the beasts that shall not be eaten. Why? Because the Lord said so! Take a look at this verse in the book of St. John. Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you (John 15:14). So, if an individual call themselves a Christian or a friend of Christ, the swine (pig) should never be on your dinner plate or anything else that the Lord deems unclean.

Well if you believe that, you must do it.
Plus keep all the other laws that I mentioned a while back, like stoning a Sabbath breaker to death and not trimming the hair at the sides of your head.
Oh, and better keep the law of circumcision too - even though Paul said that if you do it meant that Christ died for nothing.

Jesus did, and does, not command me not to eat ham.

Junia · Sep 26, 2020

Strong in Him said:
Well if you believe that, you must do it.
Plus keep all the other laws that I mentioned a while back, like stoning a Sabbath breaker to death and not trimming the hair at the sides of your head.
Oh, and better keep the law of circumcision too - even though Paul said that if you do it meant that Christ died for nothing.

Jesus did, and does, not command me not to eat ham.

if your conscience forbids you to eat unclean meats then listen to it and obey it.personal conviction . As long as we don't judge one another over it

Jipsah · Sep 26, 2020

Shamawh said:
FYI there is no law prohibiting meat and dairy together found in the Scriptures, that is man made law

That's a rule for very orthodox Jews who don't want to inadvertently consume the flesh of a calf cooked in its mother's mile.

Bro.T--2 · Sep 26, 2020

Strong in Him said:
Well if you believe that, you must do it.
Plus keep all the other laws that I mentioned a while back, like stoning a Sabbath breaker to death and not trimming the hair at the sides of your head.
Oh, and better keep the law of circumcision too - even though Paul said that if you do it meant that Christ died for nothing.

Jesus did, and does, not command me not to eat ham.

You have to know which laws were nail to the cross and which ones were not. Once you have that knowledge and understanding then you can apply the rest. Let take a look at Leviticus 11:44 For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 46 This is the law of the beasts, and of the fowl, and of every living creature that moveth in the waters, and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth: 47 To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten.

These are the things one must do to set themselves apart from the rest, that don't know God, to be sanctify. This is the difference between a saint and a sinner, the law! Paul says in Romans 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Remember there was no new testaments in the days of Paul, its was being written, coming from the scriptures. The Laws didn't start in Paul days! Again in 1 Peter 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. I guess you have problem with Holiness as well, I'm not sure.

pescador · Sep 26, 2020

Bro.T said:
You have to know which laws were nail to the cross and which ones were not. Once you have that knowledge and understanding then you can apply the rest. Let take a look at Leviticus 11:44 For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 46 This is the law of the beasts, and of the fowl, and of every living creature that moveth in the waters, and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth: 47 To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten.

These are the things one must do to set themselves apart from the rest, that don't know God, to be sanctify. This is the difference between a saint and a sinner, the law! Paul says in Romans 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Remember there was no new testaments in the days of Paul, its was being written, coming from the scriptures. The Laws didn't start in Paul days! Again in 1 Peter 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. I guess you have problem with Holiness as well, I'm not sure.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. => Christians are not under the law! <= Christ set us free from the law, a.k.a., the Old Covenant, by His death. If you obey the OT law you are denying Christ!

There are no foods that are unclean in the New Covenant! None. If you want to obey an obsolete Levitical law, convert to Judaism?

Bro.T--2 · Sep 26, 2020

pescador said:
I'm not sure what you're trying to say. => Christians are not under the law! <= Christ set us free from the law, a.k.a., the Old Covenant, by His death. If you obey the OT law you are denying Christ!

There are no foods that are unclean in the New Covenant! None. If you want to obey an obsolete Levitical law, convert to Judaism?

That's a lots to says without posting any scriptures or verses to prove why you think that way. Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus. And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past.

We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time. So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis.

Because all have sinned, and if you continue to live you will sin again. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. Paul says in Hebrews 10: 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

pescador · Sep 26, 2020

Bro.T said:
That's a lots to says without posting any scriptures or verses to prove why you think that way. Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus. And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past.

We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time. So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis.

Because all have sinned, and if you continue to live you will sin again. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. Paul says in Hebrews 10: 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

I repeat: => Christians are not under the law! <= Christ set us free from the law, a.k.a., the Old Covenant, by His death. If you obey the OT law you are denying Christ!

Since you said "And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis" it is obvious that you don't understand salvation or the power of God. John 6:39, "And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day."

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