The circus for Supreme Court replacement has already started

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I'm not sure this is true. Highlighting the Trump party's hypocrisy in this situation has been great for fundraising. And given reports that Donald has blown through much of his campaign funds, that sort of advantage is worth pushing - either to make sure it is a total blowout in the EC, or perhaps using it to increase the odds of taking the Senate as well.

I am not saying this is not important. This issue will turn off independent woman from trump , But #1 issue in voter’s mind is COVED-19. I know trump supporter don’t care but rest of us do.. United State of America , the mighty supper power, envy of every other country of the world, USA who led the world for past 80 years thru crisis, now this very country 200K dead. Imagine that, we have 4% of world population but Coved death is 25% .. in other cries , USA led the world, today we can’t even keep our own citizen safe.. we can’t even produce simple mask for our front line worker .. .. I know for Trump supporter it is just another day in the office.. but for rest of us it is complete failure of leadership.
 
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You don’t want the BLM protestors to “shut up and get back to work”?
Huh.

No I don't. I think they have a right to speak their mind like anyone else. I may disagree with them on a lot of points, but shutting them up is not what this country is all about.

There definately people that I wish would shut up for sure. I think their ideas are dangerous or their political views harmful. But I'm not going to cancel them or remove them.

I would rather battle them in the arena of ideas.
 
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No I don't. I think they have a right to speak their mind like anyone else. I may disagree with them on a lot of points, but shutting them up is not what this country is all about.

There definately people that I wish would shut up for sure. I think their ideas are dangerous or their political views harmful. But I'm not going to cancel them or remove them.

I would rather battle them in the arena of ideas.
Okay...fair enough then, my apologies for thinking worse of you than I ought.
 
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I'm afraid you have it backwards. You see it's not us who are involved in silencing. The cancel culture is firmly planted in the left.

We are not the ones calling for the silencing of people, the burning down of of anything that opposes us. That's planted firmly in the left.

We are not the ones on campuses demanding the restriction on free speech and punishing of students and professors who don't comply with the leftist agenda.

We are not the ones who are doing those things right now.


So it is not those on the right hollering about the MSM and how it is a tool of the left and is an enemy of the American people?

It is not those on the right saying the athletes taking a knee need to be kicked out?
 
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I am not saying this is not important. This issue will turn off independent woman from trump , But #1 issue in voter’s mind is COVED-19.

I get where you're coming from, but I'd love to see polling on this one. I could go either way based on the data. Covid's been around for a while - if people who can be motivated to vote by it haven't been yet, what more do they need? The USSC seat is a new impetus motivating people, and if that's the issue to beat on for a while to increase turnout, seems like a good idea. The question on that one is is the Trump party incompetent enough to drag it out close enough to election where it is still a motivation in a month and half when the election happens, or can they get it done quickly so some of the edge wears off and it gets drowned out by another Trump failure?

I know for Trump supporter it is just another day in the office.. but for rest of us it is complete failure of leadership.

No argument here - Donald needs to be returned to NY (and their prosecutors) but I'm more thinking about the best strategy to insure that enough voters in the right states make that opinion count.
 
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Not according to actual polls.

I don't believe many of the polls any more. Polls are built anymore that support one side or the other.

But if it is true it just goes to show the lack of education of Americans where it comes to the Constitution. Right now is a prime opportunity for professors and teachers to teach that what is happening with the SCOTUS and what happened with Obama is CONSTITUTIONAL law in process. Teaching students that there is NOTHING wrong with what the Senate did and does. Teach that elections have consequences. And this is one of them. Teach that stating that what the Senate is doing and did is wrong is nothing but sour grapes. Teach the law and not opinion.

It's okay to complain, but don't try and call it wrong and they shouldn't do it because if you have a legal right then there is nothing wrong or hypocritical about it.
 
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So it is not those on the right hollering about the MSM and how it is a tool of the left and is an enemy of the American people?

It is not those on the right saying the athletes taking a knee need to be kicked out?

MSM IS a tool of the left as is most of the main stream media. BUT pointing that out is NOT the same thing as cancel culture which actually shuts down the opposite opinion. We are no the one demanding conformity or be cancelled.

If anyone says athletes that take a knee should be kicked out then that's wrong. I don't believe we are really calling for that. But we are saying we don't want protests and political statements in our sports. If players do that, then we have a right not to watch.

And Americans in general do not trust the media anyway. They know that the media is really the majority left wing and minority right wing.
 
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MSM IS a tool of the left as is most of the main stream media. BUT pointing that out is NOT the same thing as cancel culture which actually shuts down the opposite opinion. We are no the one demanding conformity or be cancelled.

If anyone says athletes that take a knee should be kicked out then that's wrong. I don't believe we are really calling for that. But we are saying we don't want protests and political statements in our sports. If players do that, then we have a right not to watch.

And Americans in general do not trust the media anyway. They know that the media is really the majority left wing and minority right wing.

I have seen the claims from some on the right that the media needs to be silenced along with the protesters. Human nature is the same left or right. If it is happening on the left it is happening on the right. Our challenge is to oppose both. I find "Cancel culture" as abhorrent as the calls for silencing protesters.
 
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I'm afraid you have it backwards. You see it's not us who are involved in silencing. The cancel culture is firmly planted in the left.

We are not the ones calling for the silencing of people, the burning down of of anything that opposes us. That's planted firmly in the left.

We are not the ones on campuses demanding the restriction on free speech and punishing of students and professors who don't comply with the leftist agenda.

We are not the ones who are doing those things right now.

You're the one who has it backwards.

"Cancel culture" doesn't take away anyone's free speech. People are still free to speak their minds, but platforms are not required to amplify the speech of those who violate the rules of the platform owners.

No one should be threatened with violence or punishment for expressing their views, but shouting a speaker down, while uncivil and unbecoming, is simply a person using their own free speech.

Trump, on the other hand, has made it quite clear that he wants to stifle the press. He attacks any outlet which criticizes him as "fake news" and "the enemy of the people". He wants to limit what people can say about him.


It's not that the right doesn't engage in cancel culture, they simply don't have the numbers in their favor to implement it.
 
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I don't believe many of the polls any more.

Your loss.

But if it is true it just goes to show the lack of education of Americans where it comes to the Constitution.
Interesting assertion, but it also runs counter to what people are actually saying.
 
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You're the one who has it backwards.

"Cancel culture" doesn't take away anyone's free speech. People are still free to speak their minds, but platforms are not required to amplify the speech of those who violate the rules of the platform owners.

No one should be threatened with violence or punishment for expressing their views, but shouting a speaker down, while uncivil and unbecoming, is simply a person using their own free speech.

Trump, on the other hand, has made it quite clear that he wants to stifle the press. He attacks any outlet which criticizes him as "fake news" and "the enemy of the people". He wants to limit what people can say about him.


It's not that the right doesn't engage in cancel culture, they simply don't have the numbers in their favor to implement it.

The cancel culture is firmly on the left. It cannot be denied. It's the culture that cancels speakers on college campuses. Punishes students who say something that doesn't fall in line with leftist thinking and does the same for teachers who don't fall in line.

They make up rules after the fact to remove people from Facebook, Youtube etc. They call for the cancelling of things they find offensive. It's not just about legal right in this case. Cause private companies have certain rights. But it's the left that is calling for the cancellation of things they dont agree with.

Trump's video is about liable. Which is different. Liable is specifically lying about someone in order to specifically harm a certain individual and your lying does cause harm. It's what happened to the maga kid. And why he's getting money.

Cancel culture is about taking away any and all platforms for which a person may use to express their opinion. It's the attempt to silence a person for expressing thoughts the left disagrees with.

https://nypost.com/article/what-is-cancel-culture-breaking-down-the-toxic-online-trend/

You will notice it IS the left that is doing this.

A boycott is not cancel culture. A boycott either from the left or the right is simply a personal choice not to support a company you disagree with for any reason. As consumers we have a right to choose where we wish to spend our money. The cancel culture reaches the level of the actual calling for the destruction of a person in order to destroy them. I am boycotting the NFL right now. I am not calling for the NFL to be removed from the television or radio. A cancel culture would be a demand for stations to remove the sport from view. If you wish to watch football be my guest. I choose not to. The cancel culture says NO ONE will be allowed to watch football.
 
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The cancel culture is firmly on the left. It cannot be denied. It's the culture that cancels speakers on college campuses. Punishes students who say something that doesn't fall in line with leftist thinking and does the same for teachers who don't fall in line.

They make up rules after the fact to remove people from Facebook, Youtube etc. They call for the cancelling of things they find offensive. It's not just about legal right in this case. Cause private companies have certain rights. But it's the left that is calling for the cancellation of things they dont agree with.

Trump's video is about liable. Which is different. Liable is specifically lying about someone in order to specifically harm a certain individual and your lying does cause harm. It's what happened to the maga kid. And why he's getting money.

Cancel culture is about taking away any and all platforms for which a person may use to express their opinion. It's the attempt to silence a person for expressing thoughts the left disagrees with.

https://nypost.com/article/what-is-cancel-culture-breaking-down-the-toxic-online-trend/

You will notice it IS the left that is doing this.

A boycott is not cancel culture. A boycott either from the left or the right is simply a personal choice not to support a company you disagree with for any reason. As consumers we have a right to choose where we wish to spend our money. The cancel culture reaches the level of the actual calling for the destruction of a person in order to destroy them. I am boycotting the NFL right now. I am not calling for the NFL to be removed from the television or radio. A cancel culture would be a demand for stations to remove the sport from view. If you wish to watch football be my guest. I choose not to. The cancel culture says NO ONE will be allowed to watch football.

Dixie Chicks and Kathy Griffin were targets of right-leaning cancel culture. It was more than a "boycott".

What conservative private colleges have even invited liberal speakers?

Do conservatives shout down liberal speakers? You bet.

Pro-Trumpers Shout-Down Liberal Speakers at Whittier College | National Review

My Facebook is overflowing with conservative posts, outlets, etc. You seem to attribute so much power to cancel culture, but other than shouting down some speakers on college campuses, they don't seem to have actually canceled much. Heck, your article talks about how Ellen Degeneres suffered the wrath of cancel culture. Guess what, her show is still on the air.

If cancel culture exists and is so problematic, how is it that Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity remain on the air?

In the NFL, conservatives did more than boycott. They booed, jeered and made repeated demands that the NFL players cease supporting BLM. The reason they don't push to cancel the NFL is they don't have the clout. Of course, liberals wouldn't have the clout to force the NFL off the air, either, so your claim "what cancel culture would do" rings hollow.

No one on the right has been silenced.
 
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Your loss.


Interesting assertion, but it also runs counter to what people are actually saying.

Are people fully understanding that what is happening and what happened Constitutional? It doesn't seem so. It's either that they don't understand or they don't think it should be. Which is it?
 
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Are people fully understanding that what is happening and what happened Constitutional? It doesn't seem so. It's either that they don't understand or they don't think it should be. Which is it?

Sounds like more of the whole "people are misunderstanding that the US was never a democracy" sort of thing Revisionist.
 
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Dixie Chicks and Kathy Griffin were targets of right-leaning cancel culture. It was more than a "boycott".

What conservative private colleges have even invited liberal speakers?

Do conservatives shout down liberal speakers? You bet.

Pro-Trumpers Shout-Down Liberal Speakers at Whittier College | National Review

My Facebook is overflowing with conservative posts, outlets, etc. You seem to attribute so much power to cancel culture, but other than shouting down some speakers on college campuses, they don't seem to have actually canceled much. Heck, your article talks about how Ellen Degeneres suffered the wrath of cancel culture. Guess what, her show is still on the air.

If cancel culture exists and is so problematic, how is it that Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity remain on the air?

In the NFL, conservatives did more than boycott. They booed, jeered and made repeated demands that the NFL players cease supporting BLM. The reason they don't push to cancel the NFL is they don't have the clout. Of course, liberals wouldn't have the clout to force the NFL off the air, either, so your claim "what cancel culture would do" rings hollow.

No one on the right has been silenced.

Cancel culture is not always about who gets completely canceled for all time. It's pretty hard to cancel someone to the point they have no opportunity anywhere. It's about punishing them and making their lives very difficult. Most of the time they have to take a step down or a step back. Lose their job, have to find something else.

https://nypost.com/2020/06/13/social-justice-warriors-are-waging-a-cancel-cultural-revolution/

Cancel Culture Is Out of Control

https://www.forbes.com/sites/evangerstmann/2020/09/13/cancel-culture-is-only-getting-worse/amp/

We have seen people fired, shows cancelled, speakers cancelled and there was a church that had a permit refuses because the pastor liked a blue live matter post.

Aunt jemima got cancelled and it looks like uncle Ben may too. All from the left. They have tried to get others cancelled but it didn't work.

It's a strong push from those in the left.
 
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It's called corruption. You're supposed to be not okay with that. Very simple:. before the rule was, "Let's wait until the new President comes into office, and let him pick ". Then Trump is up, and suddenly the rule is "amended". Now you want to ram a candidate through.

But instead, not surprisingly, all the same players just laugh it off. "Ha ha, it's just politics.".

The rule that will allow Trumps choice to be voted on was made in 2013 by the Democrats.
 
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Are people fully understanding that what is happening and what happened Constitutional? It doesn't seem so. It's either that they don't understand or they don't think it should be. Which is it?
Perhaps they're smart enough to realize that "let's try to get away with whatever's technically legal, you can't stop us" isn't necessarily the best approach to governing.
 
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The rule that will allow Trumps choice to be voted on was made in 2013 by the Democrats.
No, the Democrats only abolished the filibuster for non-Supreme Court justices. It was the Republicans who abolished the Supreme Court Justice exception.

The Democrats may have set the stage, but it was the Republicans who actually abolished the filibuster for Supreme Court Justices.
 
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