The World Needs Women Priests

pescador said:

So if women were the first notified of His resurrection and tasked with telling others the good news, it's ridiculous to say that they can't be priests.

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Not at all. What's the connection between being a witness and being a priest????????????

Love365 said:

Younger people can learn different languages much more quickly.
The older you get, the more difficult it is to learn languages.

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What does this have to do with anything being discussed?

Albion said:

Not at all. What's the connection between being a witness and being a priest????????????

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When I said, "So if women were the first notified of His resurrection and tasked with telling others the good news, it's ridiculous to say that they can't be priests", I didn't mention anything about being witnesses. They were chosen to deliver Christ's message to his followers. In case you're not aware, that's what priests do.

pescador said:

When I said, "So if women were the first notified of His resurrection and tasked with telling others the good news, it's ridiculous to say that they can't be priests", I didn't mention anything about being witnesses. They were chosen to deliver Christ's message to his followers. In case you're not aware, that's what priests do.

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If we torture the comparison, that might be one thing that priests do along with dozens of other functions that the women at the tomb did and priests also do. Speak in public, for instance. Or believe in Christ as the Lord.

So you cannot make something out of one strained point of comparison. Not any more than you can say that a woman washed Jesus' feet, so that's more or less the same as celebrating Mass. And not when the Bible states the qualifications required.

bbbbbbb said:

I agree entirely with you on this matter. However, others who have been posting have taken the position that because scripture does not specifically state, "Thou shalt not ordain a woman as a priest" it is a perfectly acceptable practice. That, of course, throws wide open the door for anyone and everyone to demand priestly ordination.

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"The sky is falling, the sky is falling!"

Or, reductio ad absurdem.

Take your choice.

Albion said:

Not at all. What's the connection between being a witness and being a priest????????????

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None!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We -- all Christians, men and women -- are a nation of priests. As priests we are tasked with delivering the Good News about Christ to the world. Are you saying that women can't do that?

pescador said:

None!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We -- all Christians, men and women -- are a nation of priests.

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There you go. Your choice of the example of women as witnesses to the Resurrection is not more compelling a parallel than this. And the follow-up doesn't answer the question any better than that did.

In order to really answer the question, line up all the arguments in favor of women's ordination and then line up all the arguments in favor of male-only ordination and compare. It will not be a very balanced creation.

As has happened in the various debates conducted in the general conventions of different Christian denominations that have taken up the issue, the three main arguments FOR women's ordination are: 1) they can do the job, 2) the Holy Spirit has changed his mind, and 3) God loves all of us equally.

1) There is neither male nor female in Christ Jesus. (Galatians 3:28) "There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
2) We Christians are a royal priesthood. (1 Peter 2:9) But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.

The concept of a separate class of people, a priesthood, composed entirely of males is Old Covenant. There is no priesthood class under the New Covenant! The idea of blocking women from becoming priests of Jesus Christ has no scriptural basis in the New Covenant.

There is no valid reason, mentally, emotionally, physically, or spiritually that women cannot participate fully in the Christian Church. To say otherwise is simply a distortion of the truth in Christ. Male superiority is a concept that has no place in the New Covenant.

Genesis 1:27, "So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

Genesis 5:2, "He created them male and female and blessed them. And he named them “Mankind” when they were created.

Notice that both genders were/are created in the image of God and were both blessed equally by Him. Just because there was an Old Covenant priesthood composed of the males from a single tribe has no bearing under the New Covenant.

The only reason that women are not fully recognized as entirely equal to men and just as capable as men to perform any church activity is Old Covenant bigotry. Plain and simple truth. It's high time that all churches decided to be representative of the New Covenant in Christ.

I promise to get back to you when your compilation of those lists is complete. Then we'll see how the two sets compare.

Albion said:

I promise to get back to you when your compilation of those lists is complete. Then we'll see how the two sets compare.

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I have no idea what you're writing about. Compilation of lists?

BTW, I am under grace, not under the OT law. How about you?

Love365 said:

In the United States the Catholic Church is having a priest shortage.

The Catholic Church needs women priests.

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All denominations need women priests, shortage or not.

1213 said:

Where do you get that idea? Jesus said:

For they bind heavy burdens that are grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not lift a finger to help them. But all their works they do to be seen by men. They make their phylacteries broad, enlarge the fringes of their garments, and love the place of honor at feasts, the best seats in the synagogues, the salutations in the marketplaces, and to be called 'Rabbi, Rabbi' by men. But don't you be called 'Rabbi,' for one is your teacher, the Christ, and all of you are brothers. Call no man on the earth your father, for one is your Father, he who is in heaven. Neither be called masters, for one is your master, the Christ. But he who is greatest among you will be your servant. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
Mat. 23:4-12

Because of that, I think no priest is ordained by Jesus.



I don’t see any reason why it would need that. I think people need love, caring, wisdom and truth.

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We are all technically priests. Peter describes us a royal priesthood, a chosen people

Redwingfan9 said:

Any church that is engaging in worship or doctrine not authorized in scripture is doing so without the authority of Christ. We can hardly be surprised in a fallen and totally depraved world that the church would find itself in error from time to time.

As for women usurping the authority of men by preaching, a woman need not shove a man out of the way to usurp authority. The very act of preaching is an usurpation of authority not granted a woman in scripture. Timothy is clearly speaking about the church, that no woman is to have authority over a man and is to remain silent, ie she isn't to preach.

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She isn't to preach in Church. She can preach anywhere else. On the streets, to her work colleagues and friends etc

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:

She isn't to preach in Church. She can preach anywhere else. On the streets, to her work colleagues and friends etc

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Preaching is specific to the chuch. Sharing the gospel with people is not preaching. Giving a speech about faith is not preaching. Preaching sermons is an act specific to the worship of God in church.

Albion said:

I don't think it does. He's dealing there with two different matters.

In the first one, he's referring to the fact that we are all of equal worth in God's eyes, not ranked by social status, nationality, or anything like that.

In the second, it's about congregational officers (to put it in a clumsy way)--deacons, presbyters, elders, bishops.


There probably are some people, but this is a completely irrelevant matter to the historic churches that do not ordain women.

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Also he is saying women and men are the same in terms of salvatjon. We are both saved the same way

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:

She isn't to preach in Church. She can preach anywhere else. On the streets, to her work colleagues and friends etc

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WE are the church.
We are the church in a Bible study group, a school Christian union, an office prayer group. We are the church if we meet in a school or hold a beach mission.

Redwingfan9 said:

Preaching is specific to the chuch. Sharing the gospel with people is not preaching. Giving a speech about faith is not preaching. Preaching sermons is an act specific to the worship of God in church.

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People can preach in the open air, in a school or in a care home.
Giving a testimony and sharing Scriptures may not be considered by some to be formal preaching; it's powerful though, and may be just as effective, if not more so.
St Francis said, "preach the Gospel at all times; if necessary, use words."

At the moment, a lot of services are being held online; few people are able to get "into church" - aye you saying that women cannot have a Youtube channel to share the Gospel and explain the faith?

Sammy-San said:

I don't think women posting Christian blogs is Bibical because of the combination of doctrine and something being on written form is outside the disclaimer of a missionary answering questions or teaching women questions during a church service or a woman leading a youth group

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Blogging isn't restoring though. Also who says women are limited to only sharing the gospel with children? Why can't women be street preachers or share the gospel.with their friends or work colleagues? although these could count as missionary works?