Fired officer in Breonna Taylor killing indicted on three counts of wanton endangerment

Aldebaran · Sep 23, 2020

FireDragon76 said:
Are they an organization engaged in acts of symbolic destruction or violence for the purposes of influencing a political outcome? Or are they simply angry people? Occam's razor says you go with the simplest explanation.

Are you suggesting the rioters are just angry people who aren't attempting to influence a political outcome? How about any other outcome, such as defunding the police, or the conviction of police officers of murder? As Hazelelponi already pointed out, 3 cops have already been shot. Are you satisfied yet?

FireDragon76 · Sep 23, 2020

Aldebaran said:
Are you suggesting the rioters are just angry people who aren't attempting to influence a political outcome? How about any other outcome, such as defunding the police, or the conviction of police officers of murder? As Hazelelponi already pointed out, 3 cops have already been shot. Are you satisfied yet?

It's not clear that the groups are monolithic. Most of the protesters are peaceful, and there may be infiltration by other groups, or people simply looking to take advantage of a situation.

At any rate, the notion that protestors are terrorists is un-American. Protest is a first ammendment right.

Aldebaran · Sep 23, 2020

FireDragon76 said:
It's not clear that the groups are monolithic. Most of the protesters are peaceful, and there may be infiltration by other groups, or people simply looking to take advantage of a situation.

There's that "the protests are mostly peaceful" argument we'll be seeing on the news tomorrow as reporters stand in front of burning buildings while trying to avoid flying bricks and bottles. Perhaps you should tell those 3 police officers who have been shot that it's peaceful.

FireDragon76 said:
At any rate, the notion that protestors are terrorists is un-American. Protest is a first ammendment right.

The way you define "protest" would be the same as me committing a mass shooting and calling it an exercise of my second amendment rights.

FireDragon76 · Sep 23, 2020

Aldebaran said:
There's that "the protests are mostly peaceful" argument we'll be seeing on the news tomorrow as reporters stand in front of burning buildings while trying to avoid flying bricks and bottles. Perhaps you should tell those 3 police officers who have been shot that it's peaceful.

The way you define "protest" would be the same as me committing a mass shooting and calling it a second amendment right.

I never said I was in favor of rioting (just the opposite, really, though I did so subtlely), but labelling protestors as terrorists merely because some might become angry and violent is an abuse of language.

iluvatar5150 · Sep 23, 2020

Aldebaran said:
There's that "the protests are mostly peaceful" argument we'll be seeing on the news tomorrow as reporters stand in front of burning buildings while trying to avoid flying bricks and bottles. Perhaps you should tell those 3 police officers who have been shot that it's peaceful.

Right after you tell Breonna Taylor’s family that her death was the result of good, solid police work.

Aldebaran · Sep 23, 2020

FireDragon76 said:
I never said I was in favor of rioting (just the opposite, really, though I did so subtlely), but labelling protestors as terrorists merely because some might become angry and violent is an abuse of language.

Might become angry and violent? 3 cops have already been shot in the riot currently happening. Many others have been shot in past riots. Billions in damage already done to thousands of businesses. And you say, they "might become angry" but it's an abuse of language to refer to them as terrorists. Calling violent rioters "peaceful" is an abuse of common sense.
You won't accept reality today if you won't even acknowledge what's already happened over the past 3 months.

It comes as no surprise to me that you are only "subtle" in your saying you're not in favor of rioting. Any American who values life would be able to say it outright.

Aldebaran · Sep 24, 2020

iluvatar5150 said:
Right after you tell Breonna Taylor’s family that her death was the result of good, solid police work.

I never said it was. But even if it wasn't, it's no reason to destroy the lives of people that had nothing to do with Taylor. If they want to take out their rage on someone, they should take it out on her boyfriend who fired the first shots.

Ana the Ist · Sep 24, 2020

FireDragon76 said:
"Terrorist" is just a label that's part of a narrative of the far right so our country doesn't have to own up to its legacy of systemic racism. And that helps no one, in the end.

The far right? Like right wing extremists? Neo nazis?

I think they both know and admit they're racist.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN · Sep 24, 2020

I'm so glad I can die my hair red. If not I might look more Mexican or Indian. And can be shot. I know this and everyone I talk to knows this. Look white and you have a better chance to live. By cops. I guess more protests and riot's.

Aldebaran · Sep 24, 2020

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:
I'm so glad I can die my hair red. If not I might look more Mexican or Indian. And can be shot. I know this and everyone I talk to knows this. Look white and you have a better chance to live. By cops. I guess more protests and riot's.

Shoot at cops as Breanna Taylor's boyfriend did, and you have a good chance of getting shot.
Assault a cop and take his weapon and try to use it on him, and you have a good chance of getting shot.
Well, you get the idea. Too bad the people stupid enough to do those things aren't learning anything other than the idea that violence is the answer to everything.

Ana the Ist · Sep 24, 2020

Aldebaran said:
Someone once used to say, "We don't negotiate with terrorists".
Those were the good 'ole days when terrorists weren't in our own streets each night.

I think it's remarkable that the people defending political violence, looting, and rioting act like it's the only way to achieve one's political goals.

We live in a system where you can work hard, run for office and work to pass laws that affect the way everyone lives....

That requires work, planning, dedication and a commitment to public service though....none of which is as satisfying to these protesters as scapegoating a group and screaming at them.

LostMarbels · Sep 24, 2020

Why is it always drug addicts and criminals? Seriously... what is that all about?

I have not seen one BLM march for an innocent black victim shot dead in black on black violence. Not a single clerk working his 9 to 5 that got shot dead in a robbery. Not a single little kid that gets aired out by a stray bullet. BLM is always out marching over some thug that got themselves killed by their own actions.

14 shot in Chicago on the 21st. 53 shot last week.... *crickets*

The girlfriend of a drug dealer gets shot because her boyfriend opens up on the cops.... *massive riots*

What are your priorities?

Ana the Ist · Sep 24, 2020

iluvatar5150 said:
Right after you tell Breonna Taylor’s family that her death was the result of good, solid police work.

It was legal....and while there's probably a valid point to be made regarding whether or not it was "good police work"...

The fact remains that these cops should only face criminal charges if they broke the law.

ZNP · Sep 24, 2020

cow451 said:
The municipalities have insurance for such things.

They pay for that insurance. I once used my car insurance to fix a fender bender. Later I did the math and using that insurance cost me 3x what it would have cost had I paid myself, the difference is that it is spread out over 5-7 years, which is actually 60-84 months. So you don't notice the small jump in premiums.

ZNP · Sep 24, 2020

cow451 said:
No, it was a result of excessive force.

Chinese proverb: lay down with dogs, rise up with fleas.

I have already said the no knock warrant was irresponsible and reckless. I have already said I feel the legislators and judge should bear responsibility for this as much as anyone. But bringing a swat team to your front door ready for whatever might be inside was the part that Ms. Taylor had control over.

Telling your girlfriend that your ex girlfriend is holding $8,000 for you, using your ex girlfriends address to have stuff shipped to you, having your ex girlfriends car ferrying stuff back and forth from where you are selling drugs, being seen visiting her to pick up packages, I can understand how something about that story just doesn't sound squeaky clean. (BTW these are the facts that the drug dealer doesn't dispute)

ZNP · Sep 24, 2020

LostMarbels said:
Why is it always drug addicts and criminals? Seriously... what is that all about?

The naked man who was having some kind of mental breakdown, the one they put the bag over his head and he died. The Police chief of that department was fired because he instructed his officers in their report to "make him a suspect". That may not happen all the time, but when it does, when all of a sudden the Police department, the city, the prosecutor, the news are all claiming that the person killed was killed while being apprehended as a suspect and you know that isn't true. What do you think that does to your trust of the police, city, and legal system? Every time they sweep one of these things under the rug, even if it was an accident, they lose their trust. Malcolm X's dad was bludgeoned, then tied to the railroad tracks and run over by a train. The police ruled it a suicide and the life insurance company didn't pay because of that and as a result the family was left destitute. Do you think their response was "well you can trust them 99% of the time"?

ZNP · Sep 24, 2020

Ana the Ist said:
It was legal....and while there's probably a valid point to be made regarding whether or not it was "good police work"...

The fact remains that these cops should only face criminal charges if they broke the law.

7 All that found them have devoured them: and their adversaries said, We offend not, because they have sinned against the Lord, the habitation of justice, even the Lord, the hope of their fathers.

ZNP · Sep 24, 2020

cow451 said:
Two of three walk away. But the real perps (those authorizing an unnecessary no knock in a crowded area) escape accountability.

They won't escape accountability:

14 Put yourselves in array against Babylon round about: all ye that bend the bow, shoot at her, spare no arrows: for she hath sinned against the Lord.

15 Shout against her round about: she hath given her hand: her foundations are fallen, her walls are thrown down: for it is the vengeance of the Lord: take vengeance upon her; as she hath done, do unto her.

Arc F1 · Sep 24, 2020

usexpat97 said:
No. No change of police rank for murder. That's a slap on the wrist. Murder calls for a change of pulse rate.

If I understand correctly murder is intentionally killing someone. I don't think the police shot her intentionally. They beat on the door and announced that they were police. They made so much noise even the neighbors knew what was going on. Had the person they were after not started shooting I doubt any shots would have been fired at all.

Hazelelponi · Sep 24, 2020

Ana the Ist said:
The far right? Like right wing extremists? Neo nazis?

I think they both know and admit they're racist.

He simply failed a dig on me... and fell flat on his face in the attempt.

Fired officer in Breonna Taylor killing indicted on three counts of wanton endangerment

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