Why did Adam need a companion

Tone · Sep 22, 2020

Sammy-San said:
Since Eve was created from Adam's ribs... That technically makes her Adam's side chick.

Dem some finger licking ribs...

Sammy-San · Sep 22, 2020

Tone said:
Dem some finger licking ribs...

Lillith was his side stronsa.

Jamdoc · Sep 22, 2020

Tone said:
He didn't want to be alone. Isn't this selfish?

They were already one self, so did he really have a choice?

They were already one.

Adam already was in the same boat with Eve as soon as they became one. When she ate, Adam ate.

Adam died as one.

Love led to sin?

If Eve died, then Adam would be able to remarry, in this hypothetical scenario where Adam values eternal life over Eve and doesn't sin.

and yeah, love has led to people doing very irrational things, even murder.

Tone · Sep 22, 2020

Sammy-San said:
Lillith was his side stronsa.

Whoa!

Tone · Sep 22, 2020

Jamdoc said:
If Eve died, then Adam would be able to remarry, in this hypothetical scenario where Adam values eternal life over Eve and doesn't sin.

and yeah, love has led to people doing very irrational things, even murder.

I don't know...

com7fy8 · Sep 22, 2020

Sammy-San said:
Is the church described as a bride because of marriage itself or because God is not on the same level as people and the term friend would be wierd?

Marriage can be much more intimate than friendship, and more about family which would include more people, versus how one-on-one friendship can be very highly about just one other person.

"if you love those who love you, what reward have you?" Jesus says in Matthew 5:46. So, God wants us to not stop at having some one special friend. Jesus wants us always to be laboring to be truly family with God and our various brothers and sisters in Christ, plus reaching with hope for any enemy to be changed to join us in God our Father's family caring and sharing love.

If anyone wants to get more deep into this > this is in italics > otherwise skip down to what starts in blue below >

"God is love" > in 1 John 4:8&16. And I have learned that love can involve intimacy. Friendship can, of course.

"But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him." (1 Corinthians 6:17)

A friend can not be living within you and "one spirit with" you. Of course, also, a spouse can't.

So, the most intimate marriage-and-friendship we can have is with God Himself "one spirit with" each of us in His love. Plus,

"Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us." (Romans 5:5)

So, in Jesus we are so intimate; God is not only loving us from a distance. But by being intimate with God, we are in the best of intimacy to share with one another in marriage and friendship and as brothers and sisters in Christ as His Bride Church. So, "Bride" can feed us about how we are so intimate with Jesus plus with one another > "in one body" Colossians 3:15 does say. Consider how our Father desires to personally rule us in His own peace > in our "hearts" < very intimately indeed, if He does this in the heart of every one of His children; and this makes us also so well-connected and coordinated in companionship with all the rest of the body of Jesus.

So, what does this have to do with what >

you - Joined to Christ said:
Why did Adam need a companion When he was created in God's image and likeness?

And you said:
I'm just trying to understand why Adam needed a companion, there's no marriage in heaven and we were made in God's image and likeness, were we created slightly different?

God is Father and Son and Holy Spirit . . . not a lone individual Person, but family love; a family of love is one being with more than one person of that love; a human family is human in its being, but more than one individual person.

And the names of God's Persons include family names, though "Holy Spirit" is not to my knowledge a family person name

But the Holy Spirit takes care of God's children and prepares us the Bride Church for our Groom Jesus > these are family caring and sharing and very intimate activities, I would say.

And, lo and behold, Adam did not continue to be just one person

And, about this, we have what >

Aussie Pete quotes that Matthew Henry said:
Matthew Henry:
"Eve was not taken out of Adam's head to top him, neither out of his feet to be trampled on by him, but out of his side to be equal with him, under his arm to be protected by him, and near his heart to be loved by him.”

And to this you said:
True, but is there any need for this, seeing that God in whose image we are made has no need for a suitable companion or spouse

Our Father has the Holy Spirit and His own Son Jesus. So, each Person of God has companionship. And none is inferior, but They are family and equal. The positions of rulership and the specializations for loving are different, but They are the same love and character of love with almighty power and creativity.

So, God is family love, and so we see family showing in His creation. So, may be we could say there is not a need, but this shows because of our Creator being the Supreme family caring and sharing love Being.

The love is the same family love, for our Father and Jesus and the Holy Spirit. But positions and functions can be different. So, about functions >

Aussie Pete said:
Adam is not God. He could not be everywhere at the same time. God decided that Adam needed help for the work that he was given. No animal was deemed suitable.

And to this you said:
Another man along with Adam would have done much more farm work or don't you think so?

First is the love sharing, not merely things to do. And yes, men can share real love with one another. But a woman is more ready to specialize in having and caring for children. Men are not quite specialized for this.

So, yes Eve was made for companionship, but also specialized for things Adam could not do.

And our Father is specialized for what He does, while Jesus does what He does, and the Holy Spirit is specialized but also a Person of family caring and sharing love.

So, this is how it is, with God Himself. So, if God is the best of all, of family love and ways . . .

. . . then I can see that having family ways in His creation is best, too.

Jamdoc · Sep 23, 2020

com7fy8 said:
Marriage can be much more intimate than friendship, and more about family which would include more people, versus how one-on-one friendship can be very highly about just one other person.

"if you love those who love you, what reward have you?" Jesus says in Matthew 5:46. So, God wants us to not stop at having some one special friend. Jesus wants us always to be laboring to be truly family with God and our various brothers and sisters in Christ, plus reaching with hope for any enemy to be changed to join us in God our Father's family caring and sharing love.

If anyone wants to get more deep into this > this is in italics > otherwise skip down to what starts in blue below >

"God is love" > in 1 John 4:8&16. And I have learned that love can involve intimacy. Friendship can, of course.

"But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him." (1 Corinthians 6:17)

A friend can not be living within you and "one spirit with" you. Of course, also, a spouse can't.

So, the most intimate marriage-and-friendship we can have is with God Himself "one spirit with" each of us in His love. Plus,

"Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us." (Romans 5:5)

So, in Jesus we are so intimate; God is not only loving us from a distance. But by being intimate with God, we are in the best of intimacy to share with one another in marriage and friendship and as brothers and sisters in Christ as His Bride Church. So, "Bride" can feed us about how we are so intimate with Jesus plus with one another > "in one body" Colossians 3:15 does say. Consider how our Father desires to personally rule us in His own peace > in our "hearts" < very intimately indeed, if He does this in the heart of every one of His children; and this makes us also so well-connected and coordinated in companionship with all the rest of the body of Jesus.

So, what does this have to do with what >God is Father and Son and Holy Spirit . . . not a lone individual Person, but family love; a family of love is one being with more than one person of that love; a human family is human in its being, but more than one individual person.

And the names of God's Persons include family names, though "Holy Spirit" is not to my knowledge a family person name But the Holy Spirit takes care of God's children and prepares us the Bride Church for our Groom Jesus > these are family caring and sharing and very intimate activities, I would say.

And, lo and behold, Adam did not continue to be just one person

And, about this, we have what >

Our Father has the Holy Spirit and His own Son Jesus. So, each Person of God has companionship. And none is inferior, but They are family and equal. The positions of rulership and the specializations for loving are different, but They are the same love and character of love with almighty power and creativity.

So, God is family love, and so we see family showing in His creation. So, may be we could say there is not a need, but this shows because of our Creator being the Supreme family caring and sharing love Being.

The love is the same family love, for our Father and Jesus and the Holy Spirit. But positions and functions can be different. So, about functions >

First is the love sharing, not merely things to do. And yes, men can share real love with one another. But a woman is more ready to specialize in having and caring for children. Men are not quite specialized for this.

So, yes Eve was made for companionship, but also specialized for things Adam could not do.

And our Father is specialized for what He does, while Jesus does what He does, and the Holy Spirit is specialized but also a Person of family caring and sharing love.

So, this is how it is, with God Himself. So, if God is the best of all, of family love and ways . . . . . . then I can see that having family ways in His creation is best, too.

One thing about love though, is that love for family, and love for brothers and sisters in Christ, can both be deep and shallow at the same time. You love them in a way where you won't stop loving them because they change, like the bond is permanent and doesn't break, in that way it's deep.

But at the same time, it's shallow because it's a love based on 1 singular fact in each case. A love for your biological family in many cases only exists because you are related to them, in fact many people are very frustrated, annoyed, and angry with their blood relatives, and if they were not blood related, they would not fellowship with each other at all.. and in laws are an even more tenuous love. If whatever covenant that is including them in your family dissolves, divorce, and sometimes even death, they cut off the inlaws asap, because the only thing holding them together was an obligation. In the same way, love that brothers and sisters in Christ have for one another is based on one singular fact: that all involved love the Lord, they may have virtually nothing else in common with each other and be people who would not stand to be around each other if it was not for that obligation to love the brethren in Christ. People always say it's going to be this deep intimate love, but what I see is while its an eternal love that does not break, it endures, because Christ endures, it is also a shallow love. A love that is expressed by side hugs and hand shakes.. gestures that are intentionally designed to LIMIT intimacy, because they don't truly want this person intimate with them and in their personal space, but there is an obligation to love them because they love Jesus and you love Jesus which connects you.

Meanwhile love for friends is both deeper and more shallow than love for family, it's deeper in the sense that you choose to love those friends of your own free will, if someone asks you why you spend time with those friends, it's not like family where people's excuse is "you can't choose who you're related to", you can name reasons why you love being around that person. However it can be shallow in the sense that situations can change, a friendship can go bad, you can move away from that friend and that distance can dissipate that love you had for your friends. You might not even call them for years, even decades, or just lose contact with them entirely.
A spouse, is a relationship that is chosen, so it is deep in that you have reasons you chose them, it is not an obligation to initiate that love with them, but a choice. After marrying them, now there is a union that ideally, lasts until death, and does not break because people change over time, it can be strained, but if the love is properly agape, it does not break. However, it is still, a temporary love.
Both of these loves, are expressed differently, usually more intimately, and more affectionately, because it's not one single thing that obligates you to love that person, but you have a laundry list of things you love about that person, and want to be around them in particular.

Relationship with God is the only love that is deep in both it being chosen freely, not obligated, and everyone has reasons why they love God, without it feeling obligatory like a relative or brother/sister in Christ, and it is also deep in the sense that it is permanent.

I question the idea that love for brothers and sisters in Christ in the resurrection is going to be deeper and more intimate than love between spouses, when the ways we express that love are designed to limit intimacy and that love is based on one singular fact.

Some brothers and sisters in Christ may choose to fellowship with each other based on more than an obligation because both parties love Christ.. but not everyone.

Aussie Pete · Sep 23, 2020

Jamdoc said:
One thing about love though, is that love for family, and love for brothers and sisters in Christ, can both be deep and shallow at the same time. You love them in a way where you won't stop loving them because they change, like the bond is permanent and doesn't break, in that way it's deep.

But at the same time, it's shallow because it's a love based on 1 singular fact in each case. A love for your biological family in many cases only exists because you are related to them, in fact many people are very frustrated, annoyed, and angry with their blood relatives, and if they were not blood related, they would not fellowship with each other at all.. and in laws are an even more tenuous love. If whatever covenant that is including them in your family dissolves, divorce, and sometimes even death, they cut off the inlaws asap, because the only thing holding them together was an obligation. In the same way, love that brothers and sisters in Christ have for one another is based on one singular fact: that all involved love the Lord, they may have virtually nothing else in common with each other and be people who would not stand to be around each other if it was not for that obligation to love the brethren in Christ. People always say it's going to be this deep intimate love, but what I see is while its an eternal love that does not break, it endures, because Christ endures, it is also a shallow love. A love that is expressed by side hugs and hand shakes.. gestures that are intentionally designed to LIMIT intimacy, because they don't truly want this person intimate with them and in their personal space, but there is an obligation to love them because they love Jesus and you love Jesus which connects you.

Meanwhile love for friends is both deeper and more shallow than love for family, it's deeper in the sense that you choose to love those friends of your own free will, if someone asks you why you spend time with those friends, it's not like family where people's excuse is "you can't choose who you're related to", you can name reasons why you love being around that person. However it can be shallow in the sense that situations can change, a friendship can go bad, you can move away from that friend and that distance can dissipate that love you had for your friends. You might not even call them for years, even decades, or just lose contact with them entirely.
A spouse, is a relationship that is chosen, so it is deep in that you have reasons you chose them, it is not an obligation to initiate that love with them, but a choice. After marrying them, now there is a union that ideally, lasts until death, and does not break because people change over time, it can be strained, but if the love is properly agape, it does not break. However, it is still, a temporary love.
Both of these loves, are expressed differently, usually more intimately, and more affectionately, because it's not one single thing that obligates you to love that person, but you have a laundry list of things you love about that person, and want to be around them in particular.

Relationship with God is the only love that is deep in both it being chosen freely, not obligated, and everyone has reasons why they love God, without it feeling obligatory like a relative or brother/sister in Christ, and it is also deep in the sense that it is permanent.

I question the idea that love for brothers and sisters in Christ in the resurrection is going to be deeper and more intimate than love between spouses, when the ways we express that love are designed to limit intimacy and that love is based on one singular fact.

Some brothers and sisters in Christ may choose to fellowship with each other based on more than an obligation because both parties love Christ.. but not everyone.

Marriage is irrelevant in the next life.

Tone · Sep 23, 2020

com7fy8 said:
A friend can not be living within you and "one spirit with" you. Of course, also, a spouse can't.

What do you believe is being said here:

1 Samuel 18:1
"And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul."

?

Tone · Sep 23, 2020

Aussie Pete said:
Marriage is irrelevant in the next life.

I would say the union of the flesh is irrelevant, but spiritual unity (marriage) supreme.

Aussie Pete · Sep 23, 2020

Tone said:
I would say the union of the flesh is irrelevant, but spiritual unity (marriage) supreme.

Christians already have all the spiritual unity they will ever have. That does not change in the next life.

Tone · Sep 23, 2020

Aussie Pete said:
Christians already have all the spiritual unity they will ever have. That does not change in the next life.

You believe Ephesians 4:13 is already accomplished:

"Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:"

com7fy8 · Sep 23, 2020

First, Jamdoc, thank you for your explanation. I would say what you say is correct, but God can have us loving better than because of feeling obligation to Jesus.

You said:
In the same way, love that brothers and sisters in Christ have for one another is based on one singular fact: that all involved love the Lord, they may have virtually nothing else in common with each other and be people who would not stand to be around each other if it was not for that obligation to love the brethren in Christ.

I do not think Jesus loved us out of obligation, and Jesus living in us has us loving not merely because of obligation. But do we like everything about each other? No, and rightly so, for a number of things.

But as we grow in Jesus, we become how Jesus is pleasing to our Father. And this can have us also more and more pleased with one another . . . no matter how else we can be different. So, more and more we both love but also appreciate one another.

But we keep "longsuffering" ready

> Ephesians 4:2.

And I myself keep discovering more and more people who are desirable for close sharing, because of how they relate in love the way God's word says, and this feeds me how I need correction and maturing.

But there is a practical element . . . how we do not have time to be involved in every person thing of one another's lives, and Jesus has us reaching out to minister for enemies to become adopted.

So, indeed we need to not merely love out of obligation, but be able to submit to how God has us practically loving our growing number of people who are becoming like Jesus and who therefore can be so desirable to share with. There are seniors in the "faith working through love" (Galatians 5:6) who have become mature and so sweet and kind and beautiful in God's love, so they are more enjoyable even than ones we are married to and in close friendship with, but who are not as mature in Christ like our seniors are. So, God wants us to stay with one another who are less mature and help one another to become more like our senior examples and how God's word says He corrects and matures us to become.

Jamdoc said:
A love that is expressed by side hugs and hand shakes.. gestures that are intentionally designed to LIMIT intimacy, because they don't truly want this person intimate with them and in their personal space, but there is an obligation to love them because they love Jesus and you love Jesus which connects you.

Yes, there is superficial "agape" love for everyone. But, even so, I need to be practically guided by God so I do not get overly involved and included in too many people's personal lives.

I suppose ministers who burn out can be giving in to pressure of what they suppose is obligation, without prayerfully sensing God's guiding about how to invest their time and attention. Meanwhile others can play social favorites, then trick them into feeling obligated to them, so they can use them! So, a truly all-loving person needs to know how to submit to God's guiding according to all He knows and wants.

There are leaders you can never really get to know so you can feed on their example. But look at how Paul and Silvanus and Timothy . . . our examples . . . cared for the Thessalonians >

"just as a nursing mother cherishes her own children." (in 1 Thessalonians 2:7)

"we exhorted, and comforted, and charged every one of you, as a father does his own children." (in 1 Thessalonians 2:11)

This is our example, and this is how our Father's family love grace still has people relating. This love has us glad to love, glad to forgive and desire to do so generously with adoptive affection > the Holy Spirit is "the Spirit of adoption" > in Romans 8:15. God loves a cheerful giver and forgiver, I would say and can experience

though I need to get much more real in how God has us loving.

So, thank you for making it so well clear, how we need to not love merely out of grudging obligation. But discover how God is able to have us loving.

com7fy8 · Sep 23, 2020

com7fy8 said:
"But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him." (1 Corinthians 6:17)

A friend can not be living within you and "one spirit with" you. Of course, also, a spouse can't.

Tone said:
What do you believe is being said here:

1 Samuel 18:1
"And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul."

?

I would say God had them connected to each other and He had them in favor of each other, but they were not joined together by being actually inside each other.

But in union with Jesus, the Holy Spirit can form Jesus in each of our hearts > Galatians 4:19 > so we are intimate with Jesus right inside of us, and not only joined to Him from a distance on the throne. I mean . . . this can not happen with a spouse or a friend > God can join us with Him as our connection, but we can't actually live inside each other.

So, back to the question >

Joined to Christ said:
Why did Adam need a companion

Well, he could have love with someone, by having someone beside his own self. And they could discover how to love, even in spite of how they fell.

Or, at least, we now can benefit from them as an object lesson . . . so we can find out how to love with another person.

But God had more in mind, than need. Romans 8:29 > God wanted to have many people, so He can adopt sinners to become children of God and relating as His family, while now He is conforming us to the image of Jesus. Because our Father is so pleased with Jesus, that this motivates Him to want many children who are like Jesus.

So, He is seeing past how we are now, then, I can see

And He wants us to have this hope for each other. And so our intimacy needs to be in how we are becoming more and more gentle and humble and all-loving like Christ >

"And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma." (Ephesians 5:2)

And so, it was not God's intention for Adam and Eve or any of us to have companionship with only some one special person >

"For if you love those who love you, what reward have you?" Jesus warns and encourages in Matthew 5:46.

But we can start with one person with whom we discover how to love as God's family, then spread and minister this.

And in Adam and Eve we see how ones can effect one another. In their case, they started effecting and being effected in a bad way. But be encouraged, then, how with God we have power to effect one another in such a better way.

Would it have been better, then, for Adam to be by himself, so he would have no one to influence him badly? May be God is answering to this > no, it is not good for Adam to be by himself. Yes, we see what risk there was for him to have Eve, but also we see how companions in the scriptures have been so good for people.

For example, look at how Abigail helped David so much > 1 Samuel 25.

She was very nice to look at, and intelligent and pleasant in manner, I would say - - - very desirable for the kind of companionship David might of thought of when first meeting her. But then she talked with him, and he discovered how essential it was that the LORD had brought her to him. He got a good love lesson and major needed correction, very quickly.

So we might see how a companion can help us back up.

Jamdoc · Sep 23, 2020

Aussie Pete said:
Marriage is irrelevant in the next life.

I'd say human companionship is not irrelevant. Adam walked with God, Adam still had a need for intimate human companionship.

Jamdoc · Sep 23, 2020

com7fy8 said:
First, Jamdoc, thank you for your explanation. I would say what you say is correct, but God can have us loving better than because of feeling obligation to Jesus.I do not think Jesus loved us out of obligation, and Jesus living in us has us loving not merely because of obligation. But do we like everything about each other? No, and rightly so, for a number of things.

But as we grow in Jesus, we become how Jesus is pleasing to our Father. And this can have us also more and more pleased with one another . . . no matter how else we can be different. So, more and more we both love but also appreciate one another.

But we keep "longsuffering" ready > Ephesians 4:2.

And I myself keep discovering more and more people who are desirable for close sharing, because of how they relate in love the way God's word says, and this feeds me how I need correction and maturing.

But there is a practical element . . . how we do not have time to be involved in every person thing of one another's lives, and Jesus has us reaching out to minister for enemies to become adopted.

So, indeed we need to not merely love out of obligation, but be able to submit to how God has us practically loving our growing number of people who are becoming like Jesus and who therefore can be so desirable to share with. There are seniors in the "faith working through love" (Galatians 5:6) who have become mature and so sweet and kind and beautiful in God's love, so they are more enjoyable even than ones we are married to and in close friendship with, but who are not as mature in Christ like our seniors are. So, God wants us to stay with one another who are less mature and help one another to become more like our senior examples and how God's word says He corrects and matures us to become.

Yes, there is superficial "agape" love for everyone. But, even so, I need to be practically guided by God so I do not get overly involved and included in too many people's personal lives.

I suppose ministers who burn out can be giving in to pressure of what they suppose is obligation, without prayerfully sensing God's guiding about how to invest their time and attention. Meanwhile others can play social favorites, then trick them into feeling obligated to them, so they can use them! So, a truly all-loving person needs to know how to submit to God's guiding according to all He knows and wants.

There are leaders you can never really get to know so you can feed on their example. But look at how Paul and Silvanus and Timothy . . . our examples . . . cared for the Thessalonians >

"just as a nursing mother cherishes her own children." (in 1 Thessalonians 2:7)

"we exhorted, and comforted, and charged every one of you, as a father does his own children." (in 1 Thessalonians 2:11)

This is our example, and this is how our Father's family love grace still has people relating. This love has us glad to love, glad to forgive and desire to do so generously with adoptive affection > the Holy Spirit is "the Spirit of adoption" > in Romans 8:15. God loves a cheerful giver and forgiver, I would say and can experience though I need to get much more real in how God has us loving.

So, thank you for making it so well clear, how we need to not love merely out of grudging obligation. But discover how God is able to have us loving.

and yet I still think it's going to be a love most expressed by sidehugs and handshakes, very limited in its intimacy. I especially say that when there's people like Aussiepete who claim that it's already fulfilled, and that's what I see in church, sidehugs and handshakes, superficial gestures, distancing gestures.

Tone · Sep 23, 2020

Jamdoc said:
and yet I still think it's going to be a love most expressed by sidehugs and handshakes, very limited in its intimacy. I especially say that when there's people like Aussiepete who claim that it's already fulfilled, and that's what I see in church, sidehugs and handshakes, superficial gestures, distancing gestures.

Tone said:
You believe Ephesians 4:13 is already accomplished:

"Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:"

I don't believe we are there yet (Ephesians 4:13).

I believe when we are thoroughly Christ like, we will express love as He did.

We know that He gave of Himself to the extent of having no physical union with a female and even surrendering His life in the flesh.

We will be spiritual beings, having what this life only saw in shadow.

*And the new life we take up will infinitely outweigh this one.

Tone · Sep 23, 2020

Aussie Pete said:
Marriage is irrelevant in the next life.

Well, I think it could be (here and now) if mere fleshly marriage is our primary concern.

Anything carnal that we look at too long becomes irrelevant. This is especially grievious if it is another person, because we have made irrelevant what He saw worth laying down His life for.

So, if we are not looking at others with spiritual eyes first and foremost, we will only end up wasting our talents and time.

*And more importantly, theirs.

Jamdoc · Sep 23, 2020

Tone said:
Well, I think it could be (here and now) if mere fleshly marriage is our primary concern.

Anything carnal that we look at too long becomes irrelevant. This is especially grievious if it is another person, because we have made irrelevant what He saw worth laying down His life for.

So, if we are not looking at others with spiritual eyes first and foremost, we will only end up wasting our talents and time.

*And more importantly, theirs.

I don't even think the physical is totally irrelevant. Jesus was resurrected in flesh, we will have a physical resurrection like His, the new earth will be a physical place, and physical touch can have a lot of meaning to it. It's one thing to send companionship "in spirit" but it is another thing,and I think, a better thing, to be able to physically embrace someone AND be with them in spirit.
Physical without spirit is empty, spirit without physical is distant, it's physical WITH spirit that really expresses love.

Tone · Sep 23, 2020

Jamdoc said:
I don't even think the physical is totally irrelevant. Jesus was resurrected in flesh, we will have a physical resurrection like His, the new earth will be a physical place, and physical touch can have a lot of meaning to it. It's one thing to send companionship "in spirit" but it is another thing,and I think, a better thing, to be able to physically embrace someone AND be with them in spirit.
Physical without spirit is empty, spirit without physical is distant, it's physical WITH spirit that really expresses love.

Well, I was speaking of these bodies of death. We will have glorified bodies, though, we don't know what we shall be.

Messiah did say that we will not marry in heaven and I believe He was speaking of the fleshly ( I didn't say glorified bodily) marriage we have here.

He said no marriage, but are we not waiting for the Marriage Supper of the Lamb?

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"Whenever Thou humblest me, Thou makest me great."

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"Whenever Thou humblest me, Thou makest me great."

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Watching and Praying Always

Watching and Praying Always

"Whenever Thou humblest me, Thou makest me great."

"Whenever Thou humblest me, Thou makest me great."

Watching and Praying Always

"Whenever Thou humblest me, Thou makest me great."

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