Christian Democrats?

April_Rose said:

Please don't take this the wrong way,.. I really don't want to start a fight,.. but how is there such things as Christian Democrats and or Liberals? (This might sound stupid but not sure if that's the same thing. XD)

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Well, I don't see Christian Republicans concerned about children being held on the border in cages.
Do you?
I only see Democrats concerned about this.
I see far more "liberals" who are willing to wear a mask in public to protect other people from corona virus. I see more conservatives refusing to do so and even screaming in public places when asked to cover their mouth and nose.

cappycappy said:

Well, I don't see Christian Republicans concerned about children being held on the border in cages.
Do you?

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It's probably only natural, since to do that would be to appear to be confirming the charge that those Democrats have thrown at them.

Republicans as a whole are put into an unfair position by that accusation because even if they are upset at the detention of minors: 1) the children aren't in cages, and 2) it was Obama who began this practice, not the Trump administration.

Albion said:

It's probably only natural, since to do that would be to appear to be confirming the charge that those Democrats have thrown at them.

Republicans as a whole are put into an unfair position by that accusation because even if they are upset at the detention of minors: 1) the children aren't in cages, and 2) it was Obama who began this practice, not the Trump administration.

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What if we no longer talked about labels like "Democrat", Republican", "Left" and "Right" and just talked about the issues themselves?

Akita Suggagaki said:

What if we no longer talked about labels like "Democrat", Republican", "Left" and "Right" and just talked about the issues themselves?

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Okay. I guess you'll have to start a new thread.

Albion said:

Republicans as a whole are put into an unfair position by that accusation because even if they are upset at the detention of minors: 1) the children aren't in cages, and 2) it was Obama who began this practice, not the Trump administration.

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Both of these claims are false.

NxNW said:

Both of these claims are false.

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Don't you wish?

Albion said:

Don't you wish?

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he doesn't need to wish, the statements are false

April_Rose said:

Please don't take this the wrong way,.. I really don't want to start a fight,.. but how is there such things as Christian Democrats and or Liberals? (This might sound stupid but not sure if that's the same thing. XD)

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I am a Christian and a Democrat, although I am planning to change my affiliation to Independent as I am unhappy with both the Democrats and Republicans. But I guess I could ask "how is there such things as Christian Republicans?" when you consider things like their fight to overturn the ACA and leave 20 million people uninsured in the middle of a pandemic (not to mention the 100 million with pre-existing conditions that also won't be covered), kids in cages, tax cuts for the rich, climate-change denial, guns-on-demand, etc.
What really bothers me, though, is that pro-life Republicans will fight so hard against abortion, but feel no sense of responsibility once the child is born. 75% of women seeking an abortion are poor or low income and most know that they are unable to afford a child. Yet the Republicans vote to cut things like food stamps (Trump's 2021 budget calls for a 30% reduction in Supplemental Nutrition Assistance funds) and affordable housing (a 15% reduction).
I was talking to a Republican Evangelical friend who would like all abortion to be illegal (even in the case of rape or incest). He also believes that any sort of saftey net (including provisions for people with pre-existing conditions) is "stealing" from the taxpayers and would abolish all government anti-poverty programs.

Emsmom1 said:

I was talking to a Republican Evangelical friend who would like all abortion to be illegal (even in the case of rape or incest). He also believes that any sort of saftey net (including provisions for people with pre-existing conditions) is "stealing" from the taxpayers and would abolish all government anti-poverty programs.

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This does sound like a clever trick. If so, it's pretty well done. Congrats.

Albion said:

This does sound like a clever trick. If so, it's pretty well done. Congrats.

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Albion-I'm not sure what you mean by a clever trick?

Emsmom1 said:

I am a Christian and a Democrat, although I am planning to change my affiliation to Independent as I am unhappy with both the Democrats and Republicans.

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Join me at Solidarity party.

I could be wrong, of course, but it read very much like someone who was not, in fact, upset with the Democratic Party and looking at the Republican Party as an alternative.

You managed to include and speak positively about a number of falsehoods that liberals routinely pedal even while implying that you have put that mindset behind you (leave 20 million people uninsured, 100 million with pre-existing conditions that also won't be covered, kids in cages, guns-on-demand, no interest in the poor etc.)

Albion said:

I could be wrong, of course, but it read very much like someone who was not, in fact, upset with the Democratic Party and looking at the Republican Party as an alternative.

You managed to include and speak positively about a number of falsehoods that liberals routinely pedal even while implying that you have put that mindset behind you (leave 20 million people uninsured, 100 million with pre-existing conditions that also won't be covered, kids in cages, guns-on-demand, no interest in the poor etc.)

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I'm definitely NOT looking at the Republican Party as an alternative. I said that I was changing my affiliation to Independent. The things I mentioned (like the possible repeal of the ACA) are true. Yes, Trump signed an executive order saying he would protect those with pre-existing conditions but gave no details as to how he would do so. The ACA requires insurance companies to provide coverage at comparable rates for those with pre-existing conditions; I highly doubt Trump will do the same.
There is plenty I don't like about the Democrats, too (including the growing hostility to freedom of speech) hence my impending affiliation change.

Emsmom1 said:

I'm definitely NOT looking at the Republican Party as an alternative. I said that I was changing my affiliation to Independent. The things I mentioned (like the possible repeal of the ACA) are true.

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No, they're not.

However, you are right that you didn't say that you were eyeing the Republican Party for yourself.

Emsmom1 said:

Yes, Trump signed an executive order saying he would protect those with pre-existing conditions but gave no details as to how he would do so.

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He will also eliminate tax deductions for social security and medicare and has no idea how they will not be cancelled.

Andrewn said:

He will also eliminate tax deductions for social security and medicare and has no idea how they will not be cancelled.

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Isn't it somewhat amusing that the Harris-Biden campaign is saying that Trump will kill Social Security and Medicare and also that he has no clue, no plan, for how to do that or replace Obamacare either?

This guy must be remarkable, for he's a 'worker bee' when it comes to revising all these enormous, far-reaching, and costly federal programs but, at the same time, he hasn't really given it much thought. That's what we are supposed to believe.

Ah, politics.

April_Rose said:

Please don't take this the wrong way,.. I really don't want to start a fight,.. but how is there such things as Christian Democrats and or Liberals? (This might sound stupid but not sure if that's the same thing. XD)

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I'm probably "Democrat" in spirit. Not so much in reality anymore. It no longer has a place for social conservatives. As for economics, I'm far more in agreement. And I think it's entirely Christian be so. I think we should do all we can to improve social welfare, the environment, and put more checks and balances on the corporate world. We're not even supposed to have Usury at all (if we're following Christian principles, that is), but this country - and the whole world - revolves around debt and exorbitant interest rates. We're also called to cancel all debts every seven years, if we're to follow biblical principles. That isn't happening here anytime soon, either from Democrats or Republicans.

hedrick said:

First the term "Christian Democrat" actually refers to set of parties in Europe, but I know what you mean.

Most of the Christians I know don't understand how there can be Christian Republicans, with the Republican party as it is now. That wasn't the case 20 years ago. From my point of view Democrats come closer to carrying out the ideals of Jesus and the prophets. The things that attract people to Republicans are not based on Jesus' teachings. However there are issues with both parties.

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It's obvious to me that most of the things that attract the "White Evangelical" voting block to the Republican party have little or nothing to do with something traditionally identifiable as religion, and everything to do with race and ethnic/tribal affiliations.

Unfortunately, it's difficult to separate the politics and the religion in many cases, for all practical purposes.

FireDragon76 said:

It's obvious to me that most of the things that attract the "White Evangelical" voting block to the Republican party have little or nothing to do with something traditionally identifiable as religion, and everything to do with race and ethnic/tribal affiliations.

Unfortunately, it's difficult to separate the politics and the religion in many cases, for all practical purposes.

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Politics is so intrusive today that you cannot separate being a Christian from politics.

And the Democrat party is so openly and actively antiChristian, and has so many policies that are antithetical to Christianity that I don’t see how a Christian can be in the democrat party.

classical5 said:

Politics is so intrusive today that you cannot separate being a Christian from politics.

And the Democrat party is so openly and actively antiChristian, and has so many policies that are antithetical to Christianity that I don’t see how a Christian can be in the democrat party.

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You might want to take a critical look at both of your two major parties and realize neither are Christian and both only want the same thing -money and power, they just go about in different ways.
While there are some hot button topics your Republican party stand for that grab the attention in the bid to win the Christian vote, don't mistake this for Christianity or righteousness in anyway. Is one sin better then another? Some are just more news grabbing and publicly repungent than others.