Your "Selves" - the theories

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Hi I'm working on a new web page on this topic....

I'm looking for people's opinions from a Christian perspective....

Usually people have two main sides to their self:

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The Bible talks about the heart, mind, soul, and strength.... maybe the left-brain could be called the "mind" and the right-brain is the "heart" (and an intuitive mind)?

Though often they'd work together they can be completely separated....
e.g.

About "self-control":
Self-control - Wikipedia
...Individuals with low self-control tend to be impulsive, insensitive towards others, risk takers, short-sighted, and nonverbal....
Also:
Ego depletion - Wikipedia
Ego depletion refers to the idea that self-control or willpower draws upon a limited pool of mental resources that can be used up (with the word "ego" used in the psychoanalytic sense rather than the colloquial sense)

What about other selves that are involved in Christians? There would be the sinful self, the new man or Holy Spirit within us? Those sides could be considered part of our self (the "new" self?)

There's also the ideas of Freud:
Id, ego and super-ego - Wikipedia
the id is the set of uncoordinated instinctual desires; the super-ego plays the critical and moralizing role; and the ego is the organized, realistic agent that mediates, between the instinctual desires of the id and the critical super-ego

There is a lot more to this.... "demon possession" is also relevant....
 
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Hi I'm working on a new web page on this topic....

I'm looking for people's opinions from a Christian perspective....

Usually, people have two main sides to their self:

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Additional research has shown the "left/right" functions are more of a blend than thought.
(I'm not sure if left or right determined that.)
 
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Additional research has shown the "left/right" functions are more of a blend than thought.
(I'm not sure if left or right determined that.)

Yes, it's a gross simplification of how the brain works. And the brain has plasticity, it isn't merely a static thing. Like a muscle, it can grow and develop.

In addition, there are going to be anatomical variations between individuals.
 
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The brain is physical.

So, my opinion is our brains do not decide how we are in our personalities. Biochemistry, then, does not determine our personality and emotional makeup.

But how we are spiritually . . . deeper . . . has so much to do with what is going on in our brains and biochemistry of our brains.

There are scriptures which to me support that we have spiritual minds, deeper than our brains >

"and be renewed in the spirit of your mind," (Ephesians 4:23)

"the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus." (in Philippians 4:6-7)

"Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus," (in Philippians 2:5-11)

So, I consider these scriptures help to show how we do have a spiritual level of our mind. And we are guaranteed how God's peace can guard our minds.

So, this is very important. Because if our minds are only physical, then physical things and circumstances and drugs might be able to control our minds.

But if we have our spiritual mind, and if we are told to keep our minds in God's peace . . . this can continue, no matter what evil things and awful people do around us and even to us. And so, we can be free, even, of our past things which still might plague our minds somehow.

So, does God's word command us to keep our minds in His peace? I think Philippians 4:6-7 commands this. Plus, we have >

"You will keep him in perfect peace,
.Whose mind is stayed on You,
.Because He trusts in You."
. . . . . . . . . . .(Psalm 26:3)

And we are commanded to trust in the LORD, right? So, we are commanded, then, to have our minds in perfect peace, since this is guaranteed to happen while we obey how God means for us to trust Him.

"'Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.'" (Matthew 11:29)

So, if we trust Jesus, learning from Him, in His yoke, we are guaranteed rest which I understand will include rest in our minds.

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body, and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

So, in our basic Christian calling >
"in one body" > all of us are "called" to be personally ruled right in our "hearts" by God's own peace. So, we have this peace, by obeying God in His peace . . . personally submitting to Him so His own peace is ruling us.

This is basic Bible, for all of us. No one is excused; no past or present people or circumstances have the authority to cancel or excuse us from this.

So, you want to know if part of your physical brain is your heart and
maybe the other is your mind. You do not need to try to figure this out. Because both our heart and mind is spiritual, actually, not physical brain; and so, you can't figure out what is not true!

And even if you do not have it all figured out, simply trust God to rule us in His own peace in our hearts and our minds. And this peace is God's own peace; and God is almighty; so this peace is almighty to keep you functioning in love, no matter what attacks our hearts and minds.
 
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Yes, it's a gross simplification of how the brain works. And the brain has plasticity, it isn't merely a static thing. Like a muscle, it can grow and develop.
This is why I have trouble with how much confidence we seem to have about how much we know about extinct Hominid brains from merely empty skulls. The brain can make some amazing adjustments, and in impressive amounts of time too.
 
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It's fabulously good to admire the individuality in each of us. Thomas with his spectacularly bad timing who asked the best questions of all and whom Jesus gave the best answers of all ("Believing" I call him). The unfashionably uncomplicated Nathaniel. Dreamy visualisers. People persons like my classmate who acted as nexus for "waifs and strays" in the class and has turned maths teacher. People who have got rhythm and harmony (as players or listeners). I was unusually lucky that my workplace had a coach who taught us a bit of neurology. But the attributes pan out extremely individually - and can develop enormously in a single lifetime.

Most of us need to continue efforts in areas where we didn't get sufficient chances during "formal education". Science, history and all knowledge can be a heart as well as head thing if you love the world & people around you. Many of us can get over all sorts of things to a fairly big extent, including some inherited sadness (a lot of bereavements or shame). We don't need to be specific outcome fixated, only to know we are going to get somewhere. Every day now, I say "wow" more and more. Don't we get told, "be soft hearted and hard headed" - sadly most people especially in churches are the other way round.
 
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Additional research has shown the "left/right" functions are more of a blend than thought.
(I'm not sure if left or right determined that.)
Yeah I didn't used to be a fan but then I saw it on a site and just assumed it would be accurate without thinking too critically about it. The split brain patients show that each hemisphere is complete in a way (but one can't talk)
 
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The brain is physical.

So, my opinion is our brains do not decide how we are in our personalities.
Then why can brain damage cause people to have different personalities?
Personality Changes After a Brain Injury or Concussion: Irritability, Sadness, Social Struggles, and More

There are scriptures which to me support that we have spiritual minds, deeper than our brains >
"and be renewed in the spirit of your mind," (Ephesians 4:23)
The point of this thread is about the minds or personalities that are a part of the "self". This spiritual side seems to be a part of the self even if it has an external origin....

I wanted to explore how these "personalities" or "minds" fight each other... e.g. self "control", etc.
 
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Yeah I didn't used to be a fan but then I saw it on a site and just assumed it would be accurate without thinking too critically about it. The split-brain patients show that each hemisphere is complete in a way
The fact that it happens is not proof that that the left is the left and the right is the right.
The brain material is exactly the same. Much more likely is that some functions happened to form more on one side (lets say one of Adams kids for this argument) and since most people don't loose half a brain due to injury, the trait continued to all the offspring.

But people with serious brain injury have proven that any part of the brain can be re-wired to provide needed functioning. It just happened through heredity that some functions fell on the left or right side.

Right brain/left brain, right? - Harvard Health Blog
 
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Yeah I didn't used to be a fan but then I saw it on a site and just assumed it would be accurate without thinking too critically about it. The split brain patients show that each hemisphere is complete in a way (but one can't talk)
People can be persuasive.
 
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The brain is physical.

So, my opinion is our brains do not decide how we are in our personalities. Biochemistry, then, does not determine our personality and emotional makeup.

Then why can brain damage cause people to have different personalities?
My short answer is > it looks that way. But the change is really only outward. How the person really is, deeper, has not really changed. But after brain damage, now the person's physical world is different, and how that person is deeply can come out in reaction to that.

Now, if you please to go through much more detail about this >

I think you already know how any of us can go through changes between being nice and nasty, depending on how things are going for us. So, if someone's brain gets changed, this can effect if the person is getting what he or she wants, and the person can be reacting somehow to how he or she perceives things to be going for or against the person. And that perception, without Jesus, can make things seem pretty bad for the person. And my opinion is our perception comes from deeper than our brains. Any of us can fool our own selves, if we are not trusting how God guides us and our perception and emotions in His peace. There are people who have not invested in making sure with God, about things and how to see things.

What I understand is my personality is not only what shows. It is how I am, deeper than my physical brain. And this includes my spiritual character which has a lot to do with how I react to things.

If I have the character of love, I am not going to react nastily and cruelly, even when things go against me. So, you could bash my brain, and it is damaged, but my deeper character will win out.

"Love does no harm to a neighbor." (in Romans 13:10)

So . . . for me . . . I understand I need to trust God to make sure I am deeply His way in His love so I do not become nasty and violent and dangerous after being brain damaged or something else physical which comes against me. You can read and feed on how Paul became because of God's grace changing his personality > 2 Corinthians 12:7-15, Philippians 4:11-13.

But this is talking about what is possible with God.

With humans, it is very possible for a selfish person to get bashed, then forget how to act in a civil way. With things so changed by the brain damage, the person might not be so interested in acting nice, so he or she is more ready to get angry and cruel, even; but my opinion is that nasty reacting is more likely if the person is not getting his or her own way . . . somehow. And the person is likely being controlled a lot; so this alone can aggravate the personality of a person who has been one's own person.

So, I see how it is possible that there are people who have behaved very nicely, but they have also maintained their deeper ability to get violent when things go a certain way. So, that ability can come out after their brains have been damaged and they have lost control.

But it can go another way. There are caring people who can get very vocally violent when they see things go wrong for their causes. But after they get bashed, they do not remember all that which was their cause for anger. And then is when they can seem quite tranquil.

But that is conditional.

In God's love we have almighty peace to keep our hearts and minds, no matter what > Philippians 4:6-7. Humanly we can have our own free will's control as an idol, and in the weakness of this we can give in to various mental and emotional chaos and torment, while perceiving in a very unreliable way so we can more readily get troubled and wreck how we are relating; so we need how God is able to cure our personality so we are submissive to our Father in His peace with almighty power to keep us this way > Colossians 3:15, Philippians 4:6-7, 1 Timothy 2:1-4.
 
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