An Orthodox Deconstruction of Reformed Theology

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TL;DR - It all boils down to what your Ordo Theologae (Order of Theology) is.

For Roman Catholics; Theology derives from the Pope.
For Protestants; Theology derives from the scriptures.
For Othodox; Theology derives from the Holy Trinity.

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It's 2.5 hours long for the commentators who will inevitably post "I'd watch it, but it's 2.5 hours long."

 

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TL;DR - It all boils down to what your Ordo Theologae (Order of Theology) is.

For Roman Catholics; Theology derives from the Pope.
For Protestants; Theology derives from the scriptures.
For Othodox; Theology derives from the Holy Trinity.

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It's 2.5 hours long for the commentators who will inevitably post "I'd watch it, but it's 2.5 hours long."

Why don't you present one of the points of deconstruction.

Perhaps give the time mark range in the video.
 
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Why don't you present one of the points of deconstruction.

Perhaps give the time mark range in the video.

Here's an easy one: At some point in the first hour, Mr. Dyer says the NT wasn't even canonized until the late 4th century (and Revelation wasn't included for another couple hundred years after that), so how could the early Church have been a 'Sola Scriptura' church if some churches had A,B,C scriptures while others had X,Y,Z scriptures. It wasn't until several councils after the first Nicaea that scriptures A,B,C were deemed authentic along with X,Y,Z scriptures along with 21 other epistles. So, that essentially cancels out that the Ordo Theologae comes from the scriptures alone.
 
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Here's an easy one: At some point in the first hour, Mr. Dyer says the NT wasn't even canonized until the late 4th century (and Revelation wasn't included for another couple hundred years after that), so how could the early Church have been a 'Sola Scriptura' church if some churches had A,B,C scriptures while others had X,Y,Z scriptures. It wasn't until several councils after the first Nicaea that scriptures A,B,C were deemed authentic along with X,Y,Z scriptures along with 21 other epistles. So, that essentially cancels out that the Ordo Theologae comes from the scriptures alone.

not only that, but Pentecost happened in 33AD and the earliest New Testament text wasn't written until about 50AD. so how can sola Scriptures be true, when for the first 17 years there was no New Testament?
 
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not only that, but Pentecost happened in 33AD and the earliest New Testament text wasn't written until about 50AD. so how can sola Scriptures be true, when for the first 17 years there was no New Testament?
This is a stronger argument IMO, because the other argument is a bit of a caricature both of Sola scriptura and of the history of the canon’s development
 
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And theology doesn't derive from the Pope. It derives from councils' reflection on scripture.

That's basically what he said, that Roman Catholicism and Reformationism are two sides of the same coin.
 
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Lol, sure. Catholicism and Protestantism are two sides of the "not Orthodox" coin, just as Protestantism and Orthodoxy are two sides of "not Catholic" coin, and Orthodoxy and Catholicism are two sides of the "not Protestant" coin. What a brilliant answer.

Another illuminating response from the ever-polemical Orthodox. :rolleyes:
 
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Lol, sure. Catholicism and Protestantism are two sides of the "not Orthodox" coin, just as Protestantism and Orthodoxy are two sides of "not Catholic" coin, and Orthodoxy and Catholicism are two sides of the "not Protestant" coin. What a brilliant answer.

Another illuminating response from the ever-polemical Orthodox. :rolleyes:

no, it actually has to do with the influence of legalism, scholasticism, and St Augustine on the West as a whole, as opposed to the East (which includes the non-Chalcedonians and Assyrians).
 
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It is too bad we divide ourselves over abstract concepts when there are also so many practical issue to divide us.

God isn’t an abstract concept. He’s everywhere present and fills all things. But, which ‘He’ am I talking about?

Western (Catholic and Reformed) answer: His Essence.

Eastern answer: His Energies.

The sun shines everywhere, but is the heat we feel the sun itself, or it’s energies?

So, Who are the Energies of God Whom He sent into this world? The Father Himself?
 
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no, it actually has to do with the influence of legalism, scholasticism, and St Augustine on the West as a whole, as opposed to the East (which includes the non-Chalcedonians and Assyrians).

Well, that is a much better answer.
 
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If Jay is your hero... :doh:He's a little unhinged.

Inspiring Philosophy - Michael Jones

I will not post the interactions he has had with Reformed Christians because posting the links would likely get me reported. Just google him. He was Reformed, than Catholic, than super Trad Cat, than walked away completely. Came back as Orthodox and fell away again now he's back.

Yours in the Lord,

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If Jay is your hero... :doh:He's a little unhinged.

Inspiring Philosophy - Michael Jones

I will not post the interactions he has had with Reformed Christians because posting the links would likely get me reported. Just google him. He was Reformed, than Catholic, than super Trad Cat, than walked away completely. Came back as Orthodox and fell away again now he's back.

Yours in the Lord,

jm

I watched a Michael Jones video on Job because he was going explain what Job really meant because he has such a keen mind, but his explanation basically amounted to Satan’s slander against Job. He underwent so much scriptural research to show just how Job was unrighteous from the outset. I lol’d.

I like his video on Christian Panentheism, though. He espouses the Essence/Energies distinction I mentioned in #16.
 
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This is a stronger argument IMO, because the other argument is a bit of a caricature both of Sola scriptura and of the history of the canon’s development

How is it a caricature if they’re both the same argument with the only difference being the amount of linear time that passed?
 
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