Are "Pharmaceuticals" a World-wide End-time Deception?

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:

it is all unprofitable s speculation though. Anne yes, am indulging in it too so a m just as bad

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WUIHL,

Conspiracy theorists speak with utter certainty about the machinations of people and organizations but rarely address the church or the bible. History has proven the effectiveness of manipulating people through religion. I assume they believe the bible is untouched but the Lord will allow the water to be poisoned or whatever idea is afloat in the present generation.

It's a distraction from the things we should be attending to. Look at the numerous threads on politics in the midst of unrest and upset around the world. There was a time when recent events would have ushered in corporate prayer and fasting. But we're busy debating and looking for signs.

It reminds me of the three little pigs. And I'm not referencing the third.

Yours in His Service,

~Bella

LaBèlla said:

WUIHL,

Conspiracy theorists speak with utter certainty about the machinations of people and organizations but rarely address the church or the bible. History has proven the effectiveness of manipulating people through religion. I assume they believe the bible is untouched but the Lord will allow the water to be poisoned or whatever idea is afloat in the present generation.

It's a distraction from the things we should be attending to. Look at the numerous threads on politics in the midst of unrest and upset around the world. There was a time when recent events would have ushered in corporate prayer and fasting. But we're busy debating and looking for signs.

It reminds me of the three little pigs. And I'm not referencing the third.

Yours in His Service,

~Bella

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So true. And many of them preach works based salvation. They claim they don't But you never hear them talking of resting in Jesus.finished work or how much joy they have in Jesus but fear and conspiracy.....

sorry but Jesus set us free from sin but also depression!!! From fear

And where are the mentions of preaching the gospel and seeing mass healings and revival??? We are in the Church Age still but we already fretting over the end times when there is work to be done!!

BABerean2 said:

Rev 18:23 The light of a lamp shall not shine in you anymore, and the voice of bridegroom and bride shall not be heard in you anymore. For your merchants were the great men of the earth, for by your sorcery all the nations were deceived.

If you can't see how COVID-19 is being used as an instrument of those promoting a one world government, then I can't help you.

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Actually, it is you who are deceived because is RIDICULOUS!

Do you know why?

This is what most Christians who are of the world do almost every time. Every time. Even here! They look to the natural rather than spiritual. They seek after worldly interpretations rather than the spiritual things which God used them to signify. It's no different than them looking to worldly Israel rather than spiritual Israel. To world peace rather than spiritual peace with God. To world economics and judges instead of spiritual prosperity and spiritual judgments. The same with worldly diseases like Covid-19 rather than the spiritual virus or plague that is sweeping the church.

YOU need to take your eyes off the world seeking worldly interpretations and put them on Christ! Through Him, they will see the true interpretation, which is always spiritual. Otherwise, they are forever deaf and blinded in their arrogance and carnality that they cannot and will not understand what is truth.

Mark 4:12
"That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them".

As far as Revelation 18, here is what I believe. The merchants in the context are the false prophets of the church who have compromised and made merchandise of the healing gospel. As True Christians, we are sent as spiritual physicians to lay on hands and heal the spiritually sick. Instead, the merchants are forgers of lies and healers that bring no oil to heal up the sick.

Re 3:18
"I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see."

This is what the merchants were supposed to be preaching!! Get it?! The buying from the Lord without money and they selling all people have for that which is of superior value. That was our job as spiritual healers. But instead of being a spiritual apothecary who had the spirit of the preparation and buying medicines of spiritual healing, they instead bring the wormwood of lies that poison and deceives the nations.

Job 13:4
"But ye are forgers of lies, ye are all physicians of no value."

See? They are the prophets of God's church who were supposed to bring the healing medicine of the gospel that enlightens the nations, but instead, they bring wormwood that deceives them! Selah! This has nothing to do with world government or COVID-19.

Luke 10:8-9
"And into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you:
And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you."

We were sent as merchants that bring healing, but these merchants bring the spiritual sorceries that bring spiritual death, not healing. So your theory about COVID-19 as an instrument for the so-called New World Order is RIDICULOUS! God did not prophesy about some physical coronavirus to build a world government, rather the judgment HE brought upon his unfaithful congregation by allowing the false prophets and christs - - the MERCHANTS who sold lies. Not virus nor prescribed drugs.

You need to stop trying to interpret the Bible with world news and YouTube. You need to start to learn how to find God's interpretation with HIS OWN WORDS in the Bible.

Selah!

TribulationSigns said:

Actually, it is you who are deceived because is RIDICULOUS!

Do you know why?

This is what most Christians who are of the world do almost every time. Every time. Even here! They look to the natural rather than spiritual. They seek after worldly interpretations rather than the spiritual things which God used them to signify. It's no different than them looking to worldly Israel rather than spiritual Israel. To world peace rather than spiritual peace with God. To world economics and judges instead of spiritual prosperity and spiritual judgments. The same with worldly diseases like Covid-19 rather than the spiritual virus or plague that is sweeping the church.

YOU need to take your eyes off the world seeking worldly interpretations and put them on Christ! Through Him, they will see the true interpretation, which is always spiritual. Otherwise, they are forever deaf and blinded in their arrogance and carnality that they cannot and will not understand what is truth.

Mark 4:12
"That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them".

As far as Revelation 18, here is what I believe. The merchants in the context are the false prophets of the church who have compromised and made merchandise of the healing gospel. As True Christians, we are sent as spiritual physicians to lay on hands and heal the spiritually sick. Instead, the merchants are forgers of lies and healers that bring no oil to heal up the sick.

Re 3:18
"I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see."

This is what the merchants were supposed to be preaching!! Get it?! The buying from the Lord without money and they selling all people have for that which is of superior value. That was our job as spiritual healers. But instead of being a spiritual apothecary who had the spirit of the preparation and buying medicines of spiritual healing, they instead bring the wormwood of lies that poison and deceives the nations.

Job 13:4
"But ye are forgers of lies, ye are all physicians of no value."

See? They are the prophets of God's church who were supposed to bring the healing medicine of the gospel that enlightens the nations, but instead, they bring wormwood that deceives them! Selah! This has nothing to do with world government or COVID-19.

Luke 10:8-9
"And into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you:
And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you."

We were sent as merchants that bring healing, but these merchants bring the spiritual sorceries that bring spiritual death, not healing. So your theory about COVID-19 as an instrument for the so-called New World Order is RIDICULOUS! God did not prophesy about some physical coronavirus to build a world government, rather the judgment HE brought upon his unfaithful congregation by allowing the false prophets and Christs as the merchants to sell lies. A false oil that can poison you spiritually.

You need to stop trying to interpret the Bible with world news and YouTube. You need to start to learn how to find God's interpretation with HIS OWN WORDS in the Bible.

Selah!

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If Covid was God's judge!ent then no Christian would ever have suffered it because in Christ we no longer face God's punishment.

God's wrath is on the wicked never on His elect. wasn't one of the first doctors to die from covid a.christian?.

How about this?

Yes, it is absolutely possible that pharmaceuticals are involved in an end times deception. But no, that doesn't mean pharmaceuticals are evil and bad, and you should never take prescribed drugs

It's a false equivalency. It's like saying PEOPLE are involved in end times deceptions. Yes, of course the end times obviously involves people. But does that mean people are all evil, and we should exterminate them all? For that matter, maybe dirt is involved in the end times. So now DIRT is evil? We can't put two-and-two together that way.

alertandawake said:

I have more than once looked into this, and going by reason and logic, looking at the world we live in today, I think that "Pharmaceuticals Industry" is part of massive end times deception.

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No, God does not prophesy about "pharmaceuticals Industry" here. They are not the merchants of God.

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:

So true. And many of them preach works based salvation. They claim they don't But you never hear them talking of resting in Jesus.finished work or how much joy they have in Jesus but fear and conspiracy.....

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WUIHL,

God refers to us as sheep and that descriptor holds a powerful truth you must unpack to understand our susceptibility in the different planes. I shared a link to a program I watched over the weekend. I've seen them before. The first is insightful if you've never worked with sheep. Most haven't. They appear in the second video and throughout the series.

And where are the mentions of preaching the gospel and seeing mass healings and revival??? We are in the Church Age still but we already fretting over the end times when there is work to be done!!

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When Covid struck I wondered aloud, where is the church? We've never been more connected technologically than we are today. But it was quiet. Eerily so.

Satan is shrewd. If he can't prevent you from coming to faith he'll direct his efforts towards making you ineffective. When I received my calling I spent time studying men who failed. I didn't limit it to the bible. I looked at earlier times and today. I wanted to understand how he exploited weaknesses for his benefit. The results were telling.

It reiterated the necessity of playing offense against your environment and yourself. We minimize harm and maximize proficiency. We're usually wrong on both ends. I don't spend time speculating because the Lord will reveal it if He desires to do so. But there's another principle in all of that. It isn't my assignment.

A soldier doesn't function at will in his service. He's assigned a post and expected to man it and know the position intimately. If I'm darting here and there I can't get my PH.D in the place within the ranks where I'm needed most. I'll fall short because my time was spent elsewhere.

My litmus test is God's directive and gifting. Have You anointed me for the task and did You tell me to do it? Every problem has a holy solution. But I'm not expected to address all of them. Some of that is related to submission and the necessity of yielding and staying put. Service isn't what I think/believe/want to do; it's what He says.

Just because I can do something doesn't mean I should. That's an important lesson in your growth as a believer and servant. Intention became my banner and I gauge activities through those lenses. Even this. I'm always working.

A simple question to consider is how the activity is helping you accomplish your purpose or drawing you nearer to the result the Lord addressed. And what is it feeding in you? That's pivotal. It is increasing your joy or anxiety? Then you apply the word to the result you discerned and you'll know the source.

Yours in His Service,

~Bella

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:

Thanks but the last thing I am is complacent. I am clothes in royal robes of righteousness because of what Jesus did for me on the cross. That is a biblical assurance, not complacency. I also don't think am deceived. Is it even possible.for the elect I be deceived???

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Of course, that's why we are warned about doctrines of demons.

LaBèlla said:

WUIHL,

God refers to us as sheep and that descriptor holds a powerful truth you must unpack to understand our susceptibility in the different planes. I shared a link to a program I watched over the weekend. I've seen them before. The first is insightful if you've never worked with sheep. Most haven't. They appear in the second video and throughout the series.



When Covid struck I wondered aloud, where is the church? We've never been more connected technologically than we are today. But it was quiet. Eerily so.

Satan is shrewd. If he can't prevent you from coming to faith he'll direct his efforts towards making you ineffective. When I received my calling I spent time studying men who failed. I didn't limit it to the bible. I looked at earlier times and today. I wanted to understand how he exploited weaknesses for his benefit. The results were telling.

It reiterated the necessity of playing offense against your environment and yourself. We minimize harm and maximize proficiency. We're usually wrong on both ends. I don't spend time speculating because the Lord will reveal it if He desires to do so. But there's another principle in all of that. It isn't my assignment.

A soldier doesn't function at will in his service. He's assigned a post and expected to man it and know the position intimately. If I'm darting here and there I can't get my PH.D in the place within the ranks where I'm needed most. I'll fall short because my time was spent elsewhere.

My litmus test is God's directive and gifting. Have You anointed me for the task and did You tell me to do it? Every problem has a holy solution. But I'm not expected to address all of them. Some of that is related to submission and the necessity of yielding and staying put. Service isn't what I think/believe/want to do; it's what He says.

Just because I can do something doesn't mean I should. That's an important lesson in your growth as a believer and servant. Intention became my banner and I gauge activities through those lenses. Even this. I'm always working.

A simple question to consider is how the activity is helping you accomplish your purpose or drawing you nearer to the result the Lord addressed. And what is it feeding in you? That's pivotal. It is increasing your joy or anxiety? Then you apply the word to the result you discerned and you'll know the source.

Yours in His Service,

~Bella

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well for me, I look for fruit. is it making me feel depressed or joyful? ANgry and bitter towards God or wanting to spend more time with Him?


The proble m for me.is that the Bible says we are to watch the time a and the seasons and I been told I have to watch the news. And Q Anon typ e things. I have been warned I will fall into deception of I don't watch them. But I find the! Very triggering because I have suffered many things similar to what Epsteins victims did and also because I have very bad anxiety and even psychosis symptoms of I allow myself to become overwhelmed. Am working very hard at the moment on my emotional health and my recovery from addictions and I just find news programmes on end times and prophecy very difficult. Even Sid Roth and Jennifer LeClaire shows on the Spirit world and visits to heaven make me feel nervous and angry


the only spiritual kinds of teachings I can stomach are the ones which focus on the Cross and how much Jesus wants to set me free and help me overcome sin and serve. Others in a very practical way.. I have a physical disability that means I am under intense physio and have days when I am.able to do very little.

I like the good news of the gospel, the pwople.getting saved and set free. I am not so keen on all the weighty stuff because I find it overwhelming.

Someone told.!e.a few months.ago too forget.reading any end times things or.listening to any prophecy on end times and just focus on God loving me unconditionally. I did this and it made !e so much better. My prayer life improved and I was eating and sleeping better. When I try to go into anything spiritually deep and heavy I hear ahaky, light headed.and my breathing speeds up. I get migraines.

I enjoy reading and listening to preachers that most.consider heretics. Joyce Meyer, CS Lewis, Henri Nouwen, Richard Rohr, Brenan Manning, Joseph Prince.etc all the easy believing type s...I cannot cope with the more hard-core things...I have a lot of secular hobbies which I enjoy and fuel they are a way of healing for me... sometimes I feel convicted that am living very sinfully and we
fishly.but then I look a t the fruit of how am feeling Nd I seem to find Jesus so much morw.real to me in the grace centres easy believing things. I listen to songs like No Longer anSlave, Reckless Love.etc

I think am probably no longer a true Evangelical Christian at all.but I know I was saved in the past and I rest on that assurance....

I like to share my.Faith on Facebook by.posting testimonies and memes about how much Jesus loves us and wants is a to know Him


I am much happier now as a luke warm, backslidd enough believer than I was when in was working out my salvation very hard and focusing on am I doing enough to be acceptable to God?

One day I will come back.to
God and start serving Him properly again but I feel.right now I need to get well first, physically and spiritually

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:

Yes I am aware of this. I think the tests are poorly developed and that the covid threat is way overstated. I believe it is real but not as bad as they say it is

Good for you for not wearing a mask if you don't want to. I do believe it is just a choice no one should be forced into it. I believe in bodily autonomy

I don't believe in paying fines to government because I believe my money is mine or Gods, I suppose and to be spent on my needs. so yeah I hate the level of control the U K govern meNt has which is why if it as w asnt for money I would fight it more.....I belong to no one but God and only.pay taxes because Jesus said to.

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This shows the level of deception over the new Covid outbreaks.
Lies, Damned Lies and Health Statistics – the Deadly Danger of False Positives – Lockdown Sceptics

Francis Drake said:

Of course, that's why we are warned about doctrines of demons.

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Yeah at my church they said nothing can take us out God's hand but we can still be deceived even if it doesn't cause us to lose salvation. So I do try to avoid any teaching which doesn't build me up or is unhelpful.

Am sure a lot of the end times stuff is.true. And that vaccines someday in the future may be a way for the beast system to work... But I think not all drugs are bad. Timothy was encouraged to drink a little wine. Many doctor today say wine is good for us in very small doses.

Aside from vaccines, I don't really see most medicine as being contary to God's will. I think if it is not God's will to heal us miraculously then we can seek relief from a doctor.

I find I can serve God better if I take care of my physical needs and that includes low doses of pain medicine if I need it.

BABerean2 said:

Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy "sorceries" were all nations deceived.


G5331
φαρμακεία
pharmakeia
far-mak-i'-ah
From G5332; medication (“pharmacy”), that is, (by extension) magic (literal or figurative): - sorcery, witchcraft.
Total KJV occurrences: 3


Pastor Chuck Baldwin on Revelation chapter 18:

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Could be part of it, just like TV, music, sports, books etc.

I have trouble believing a living father God wants his children to put up with health issues that could be relieved by drugs, diet, therapies of various kind. We.are to be kind to God's creation and that includes ourselves

zoidar said:

Could be part of it, just like TV, music, sports, books etc.

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Not all those things are sorcery either... It depends on the content. Reading Jane Austen or Charles Dickens is not the same as reading 50 shades of grey or Viz magazine

listening to Korn is not the same as listening to Chopin or some light jazz

and sports are good unless they become an idol

WrappedUpinHisLove3 said:

well for me, I look for fruit. is it making me feel depressed or joyful? ANgry and bitter towards God or wanting to spend more time with Him?

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WUIL,

Obedience is better than sacrifice. That's my starting point. Good vibrations can be deceptive. My feelings may compel me to do things that bear no fruit. Or I may prefer an easier task over the one I should be doing.

The proble m for me.is that the Bible says we are to watch the time a and the seasons and I been told I have to watch the news. And Q Anon typ e things. I have been warned I will fall into deception of I don't watch them. But I find the! Very triggering because I have suffered many things similar to what Epsteins victims

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Why would the Lord tell you to watch things which trigger painful events? Do you have someone near to pray and provide support after doing so?

Am working very hard at the moment on my emotional health and my recovery from addictions

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Given what you've shared that seems to be an ideal step. Immersing yourself in the Lord and allowing His word to wash over you and heal your hurts is really important. I didn't receive my calling until the healing process was completed and I was able to stand the warfare and challenges that would follow.

I just find news programmes on end times and prophecy very difficult. Even Sid Roth and Jennifer LeClaire shows on the Spirit world and visits to heaven make me feel nervous and angry

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I don't watch those shows. The first spiritual gift that manifested within me was discerning of spirits. I'm cautious what I take in. I don't want him in my head. He tries with every day stuff. I don't need another problem.

I enjoy reading and listening to preachers that most.consider heretics. Joyce Meyer, CS Lewis, Henri Nouwen, Richard Rohr, Brenan Manning, Joseph Prince.etc all the easy believing type s...

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I'm familiar with them. I listen to Derek Prince. I've borne fruit from his ministry. Battlefield of the Mind is the best book Joyce wrote. It's a great read for new believers. I've read it twice. I prefer to read over listening to ministers. I can taste the words and sift them through my spirit. Listening is my strongest learning method but I restrict it to certain topics. I don't want to gobble until I know what I'm consuming.

I have a lot of secular hobbies which I enjoy and fuel they are a way of healing for me... sometimes I feel convicted that am living very sinfully and we
fishly.

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Hobbies are fine as long as there's balance. A good thing taken to excess can be bad. Moderation has its merits.

I like to share my.Faith on Facebook by.posting testimonies and memes about how much Jesus loves us and wants is a to know Him

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Keep doing it. Many are starved for encouragement. I noticed it when I began interacting with Christians. We're quick to condemn and instruct. But encouragement? Not as much. Having someone tell you they believe in you (and really mean it) and offer words of support and assistance is priceless. Miracles can happen. I've been apart of many.

My best friend was suicidal when we met. I was introduced to her when she returned home after an unsuccessful attempt. We met in a chatroom 18 years ago. In spite of the pain and brokenness she presented. I saw something beyond it. I wasn't walking with God at the time. But I knew how to love and come alongside someone and I did. It wasn't easy. There were many difficult moments. But she healed and she's married with a family.

I've done the same with others but I don't have the energy now. I'm not a counselor I'm a coach. But the experiences taught me the power of belief and what we can accomplish when we're all-in and won't throw in the towel. You can overcome much. Take it one day at a time.

I am much happier now as a luke warm, backslidd enough believer than I was when in was working out my salvation very hard and focusing on am I doing enough to be acceptable to God?

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There's a line in a song that's apropos. She said, I was learning my man while I was earning my man. That's how humans operate. We don't give carte blanche access to our hearts. We open a little at a time until we believe the person is worthy of more.

But God isn't like that. He's wide open. He'd doesn't give us morsels. We get the whole kit and kaboodle from the start. He doesn't restrain His love or presence. He's always near. We don't have to earn His love. It's a constant. You'll never lose it.

Yours in His Service,

~Bella

BABerean2 said:

Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy "sorceries" were all nations deceived.


G5331
φαρμακεία
pharmakeia
far-mak-i'-ah
From G5332; medication (“pharmacy”), that is, (by extension) magic (literal or figurative): - sorcery, witchcraft.
Total KJV occurrences: 3


Pastor Chuck Baldwin on Revelation chapter 18:

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I'm aware of the association in the concordance with sorcery and drug use, possibly a relation to shamanism and other forms of mysticism that were in play in the ancient world - the Oracle being a notable one.

Pharmaceuticals would seem an easy connection to a mammon beast of prophecy.