The Resurrection of JesusHere are the first two paragraphs from your OP. (quoted above)
You say, "a human body with real flesh and bones" That would be a physical body, not a spiritual body.
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The Resurrection of JesusHere are the first two paragraphs from your OP. (quoted above)
You say, "a human body with real flesh and bones" That would be a physical body, not a spiritual body.
The Resurrection of JesusI think this is a key aspect of the bodily resurrection. That the body of Jesus was resurrected. Should be obvious, right?
Or don't you believe in the bodily resurrection?
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Not sure if you have addressed this aspect of the bodily resurrection anywhere.
See bold in Acts chapter two below. "you will not let your holy one see decay" - vs 27
The resurrection was "bodily" because the physical body was not left to decay.
"He is not here; he has risen, just as he said. Come and see the place where he lay." - Matthew 28:6
Acts 2:24-28
But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death,
because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him. 25 David said about him:
“‘I saw the Lord always before me.
Because he is at my right hand,
I will not be shaken.
26 Therefore my heart is glad and my tongue rejoices;
my body also will rest in hope,
27 because you will not abandon me to the realm of the dead,
you will not let your holy one see decay.
28 You have made known to me the paths of life;
you will fill me with joy in your presence.’
There is no body change post resurrection you made that up and you are quoting visions.
Paul in 1 Corinthians 15 makes it clear Jesus Resurrected body was Glorified at the same time.
And your position is not even the catholic church's position. You should talk it over with your priest.
"There will be a resurrection of all, as St. Paul explains in First Corinthians chapter 15. Those who have been faithful to Christ will rise glorious, their bodies transformed on the model of the risen body of Christ, who could travel instantly at will, could ignore closed doors and come through anyway, but yet had real flesh. St. Paul says the risen body is "spiritual " (15:44). It is still flesh, but such that the flesh is completely dominated by the soul, so that it can no longer suffer or die.
St. Paul insists that because Christ our Head rose, those who are members of Him must also rise. So, to deny the general resurrection would imply a denial of Christ's resurrection (1 Cor 15:13).
After the resurrection, each of person will have the same body (except for imperfections) that he had in this life. If this involves having the same matter, this is surely within God's power. No matter what happens to the body after death, He can recall and rebuild the material of the body. In fact, we now know that because of metabolism--in which every cell is constantly being torn down and rebuilt--in a normal life span a person has the material for many bodies.
We will, of course be the same persons after the resurrection as we were before death."
Taken from The Basic Catholic Catechism
PART FIVE: The Apostles' Creed IX - XII
Eleventh Article of the Creed: "The resurrection of the body."
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none of which are Resurrection passages.I couldn't help but notice you didn't address even one single (of the dozen or so) scriptures I cited in support of my points.
Why don't you take the scriptures I cited and tell us why they do not mean what I contend they do, and provide your alternate interpretation so that we may examine it?
And as far as your accusations that I'm not "catholic enough" for you, you can ease your head about that...
Lets stick to scripture, shall we?
1 John 3:2 is not a resurrection Passage?none of which are Resurrection passages.
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none of which are Resurrection passages.
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no where is Resurrection mentioned ?1 John 3:2 is not a resurrection Passage?
You are kidding, Right?
1 John 3:2 is apocalyptical looking forward to His 2nd Advent. Read Revelation the vision given to John. Revelation was written after 1 John. So at the time John did not have that future revelation.I couldn't help but notice you didn't address even one single (of the dozen or so) scriptures I cited in support of my points.
Why don't you take the scriptures I cited and tell us why they do not mean what I contend they do, and provide your alternate interpretation so that we may examine it?
And as far as your accusations that I'm not "catholic enough" for you, you can ease your head about that...
Lets stick to scripture, shall we?
We can start with just one, take some baby steps...
1 John 3:2
Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
Again, John was an EYEWITNESS to the resurrected Jesus, clearly if your contention is correct, He would NOT have said the above, for it, in your belief, HAD been revealed to Him what we shall be, for he HAD seen Christ "as He is"...
But instead John says EXACTLY the OPPOSITE of that...
Please provide your reasoning why John said this, and what you believe it means, if not what I contend.
and the rock was Christ.spiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was Christ.
Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.A spiritual man is one who is controlled by the Spirit not the flesh.
I would like you to show me where it is stated that Christ was resurrected into His heavenly body. Christ doesn't say "My body has become the heavenly body of flesh and bones." That's a pure manufactured idea that became tradition by some. In fact, 1 Corinthians 15 35But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body do they come?” 36You foolish person! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37And what you sow is not the body that is to be, but a bare kernel, perhaps of wheat or of some other grain.You see there is no bodiless spirit men in heaven unclothed(no body) but indeed with a heavenly body(like Jesus) has now in heaven which is flesh and bones like He said His Resurrected body was to His Disciples.
see here I'm not writing it again.and the rock was Christ.
Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.
I would like you to show me where it is stated that Christ was resurrected into His heavenly body. Christ doesn't say "My body has become the heavenly body of flesh and bones." That's a pure manufactured idea that became tradition by some. In fact, 1 Corinthians 15 35But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body do they come?” 36You foolish person! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37And what you sow is not the body that is to be, but a bare kernel, perhaps of wheat or of some other grain.
Agreed, no disembodied human spirits in heaven unless one is a futurist. I am a full preterist.
1 Corinthians 15:38-41and the rock was Christ.
Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.
I would like you to show me where it is stated that Christ was resurrected into His heavenly body. Christ doesn't say "My body has become the heavenly body of flesh and bones." That's a pure manufactured idea that became tradition by some. In fact, 1 Corinthians 15 35But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body do they come?” 36You foolish person! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37And what you sow is not the body that is to be, but a bare kernel, perhaps of wheat or of some other grain.
Agreed, no disembodied human spirits in heaven unless one is a futurist. I am a full preterist.
One of my favorites!Below is a BIBLICAL FACT from the oldest book in the bible.
Job 19:26
King James Bible
And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:
Yes the Resurrection is REAL FLESH just as Jesus declared in Luke 24:39
not interested in your cut n paste thanks but no thanks. Read Gill, Pulpit Commentary Homiletics, Barnes, Pooles and many other commentaries/theologians agree with me.
I have not been in disagreement with the bodily resurrection. And neither has the majority of Christians, contrary to your bogus poll.The truth stands on its own. The Bodily Resurrection/Ascension of Jesus is a historical fact.
You have an over-inflated view of your opinions.see the OP for the truth. in fact read ever post in this thread from me for the truth since its Scripture . Thy word is truth.
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