Why do Christians never pray for impossible things?

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Miguel Juan Pellicer was born in the early 17th century to a Catholic family in the small agricultural community of Calanda, Spain. In 1637 when he was 20 years old, he was working on his uncle’s farm when a terrible accident occurred: he was riding a mule pulling a cart and accidentally fell off, and the cart ran over his right leg, breaking his tibia (also known as one’s shin – ouch!).

He received some treatment at a local hospital but soon decided to go to a special hospital in the city of Zaragoza dedicated to Our Lady of the Pillar. He, like many Catholics in Spain, had a strong devotion to her, and he hoped to benefit from her intercession.
Unfortunately, by the time he arrived, his leg was so gangrenous that it was black. The only option left was amputation. Two expert surgeons removed most of the lower half of his right leg from just below his knee. They cauterized the wound with fire.

Now, keep in mind that this was the mid-17th century, so there was no anesthesia. They gave him alcohol and other drugs to try to numb the pain, but Pellicer nonetheless experienced incredible pain. One witness later wrote: “In his torment the young man called upon the Virgin of the Pillar, unceasingly and with great fervor.” They then buried his amputated leg in the hospital’s cemetery, as was the custom.

A few months later, he was released with a wooden leg and crutch. Apparently, he was also able to get some sort of license for begging (I didn’t know that kind of thing even existed) at the Sanctuary of the Pillar. He was able to survive from begging and, since it’s a popular pilgrimage destination, was seen by thousands if not millions of people. He also got regular checkups with his doctor at the hospital.

But he didn’t lose hope that God still might heal his leg, as impossible as it seemed. In an act of faith, every night he would request some oil from the sanctuary, rub it on his stub, and pray for the intercession of Our Lady.

After about two years, with the health of his leg seemingly stable, he finally decided to return home. He arrived in the midst of the 2nd week of Lent (sometime around March 11-14) in 1640. Unable to help on the farm, he took up begging again, and many people in the surrounding towns saw his stub leg.

Then, about two weeks later on March 29th, the miracle happened.

It was around 10 p.m. and he was ready to go bed. A soldier was temporarily staying in his family’s home and was sleeping in his bed, so Pellicer plopped down in an extra bed in his parent’s room instead. About an hour later, his mother walked in and saw two feet sticking out of the covers. Thinking the soldier had gone to sleep in the wrong room, she called her husband to resolve the misunderstanding.

But when her husband came and lifted the blanket, he was shocked at what he found: it was their son, and he had both of his legs!


A painting of Pellicer’s parents finding him asleep with his leg restored. Artist unknown.
They tried to wake him up right away, but he was in a deep sleep and it took a while. Once they finally were able to shake him awake, he explained that he had been having a vivid dream in which he was at the Sanctuary of the Pillar and was rubbing his stub with the oil as he used to do.

The three of them rejoiced, praised God, and thanked the Lady of the Pillar for her intercession!

News of the miracle spread like wildfire in the surrounding towns, and both government and ecclesiastical officials came to their house to see his healed leg for themselves. Three weeks later, Pellicer and his parents made a pilgrimage to the Sanctuary of the Pillar to give thanks, and many people there who had known him with his stub leg were amazed to see him with both legs.

The story became such a sensation that the local archbishop conducted an extensive investigation of the miracle. When they dug up the box that he been buried with his amputated leg in the hospitals’ cemetery, it was apparently undisturbed – but empty. Regarding eye-witness testimony, there were obviously thousands of people who had clearly seen his stub leg before the miracle. So investigators asked two dozen of the most respected witnesses to testify in the court proceedings, including doctors who had treated him. No doubters of the miracle could be found.

A year later, the archbishop finally issued a judgement: the miracle was authentic.
Well, this is just what I have been saying. Christian stories are full of Christians praying to God for the impossible, and God granting these prayers.
So why do Christians today never pray for the impossible? Is it because they secretly know that God only works miracles in stories?
 
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Where did I do this? We are little Christs, meant to emulate Christ in all things - including prayer.
So why don't you?
As I said, Christians do pray for things, and rightly so. I went into some trouble explaining the nature of prayer, and why we pray for some things and not necessarily for others. As far as I am concerned, your queries have been answered. You are intent on ignoring it, and keep asking in spite thereof. Prayer is not a form of magic. Why don't Christians treat it as such, because it isn't. It doesn't seem as if you are trying to understand prayer at all here, so I bid you good day
I cannot help it if you went to some trouble to answer a question I wasn't asking.
I am still waiting for an answer to the question I was asking: why do Christians never pray for the impossible?
If you don't know, then just say so.
 
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I nowhere said people couldn't so petition. They can, but they mostly wouldn't, as it would not fall within the function of prayer within a life of Faith.
Perhaps you don't know much about your fellow Christians. Did you look at the Prayer wall? It's full of people praying for things. God, please give me this, or help me with that.
It is not as if people have not prayed such things before. I am sure every parent with a lifeless child has done so.
Do you remember the story I posted about the dead child earlier in this thread? Where the whole church enlisted people in praying that the little girl would return to life? That story was remarkable because of how rare it was.
Yes, I'm quite sure that in desperation bereaved parents pray to God. But only in the heat of the moment. They don't try to organise prayer movements to bring their child back from the dead.
Why not? They are happy to pray for things that might happen anyway. People do recover from cancer, heartbreak, financial difficulties and lost keys.
But why do Christians not pray for the impossible?
Is it because they know God only grants prayers that might happen anyway, with luck?
 
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Lots of Christians will tell you that prayer actually works. That they cried out to God, asking Him for help, and He helped them.

But the odd story here and there doesn't really count for much.
Much more powerful is accumulated data, in which patterns can be seen.

I remember an article on the Progressive Christian blog Slacktivist.
It told the story of a hospital preacher. His job was to comfort the terminally ill. He had love and faith and worked hard. He prayed with all sorts of people in distress. He did good work and comforted the afflicted.

But.
He said that after a while, he noticed something.
When the doctors said that a person was likely to die, they usually did.
When the doctors said that a person was likely to recover, they usually did.
And when the doctors said that a person had a one in ten chance of survival, about nine out of ten of them would die.

"Are all these prayers," the preacher wondered, "actually doing anything?"

Do Christians not pray for the impossible because they know they only get what they want when they pray for something that could happen anyway?
 
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Interesting, what you see if you observe Christians praying.
They pray for things which, really, might happen anyway, if they get lucky.

They pray for a friend to be healed. Well, people do recover from illnesses all the time. But you never see Christians praying for a person's leg to grow back.
Is it because they know God wouldn't do this (even though - if He exists - He certainly has the power to)?

Christians pray for people who have suffered a bereavement to find peace. Well, of course, people usually do get over their feelings of grief, sooner or later. But they hardly ever pray for a person to be brought back to life.
Christians claim that God is quite capable of bringing people back to life.
Do they not ask Him to because they know that God doesn't actually answer prayers for impossible things?

Christians pray for people suffering cancer to have the strength to face their ordeal. Maybe they even pray for the cancer to vanish. But they never pray for all cancer all over the world to vanish and never return. I wonder why?
Maybe they know that, no matter how hard they pray, that just isn't going to happen.

Um. Do Christians actually secretly know that God isn't real?
They certainly don't seem to act like He's real.

Very confusing.
The objective of our time in this world is not to make it a heaven on earth.

Even those who possible can still humbly accept God’s charity as pure undeserved charity need all the help they can get from God. This messed up, tragic world provides the very best place for willing individuals to humbly accept God’s charity.

You and others are asking “Christians” to provide unquestionable scientific proof for the existence of the Christian God or “knowledge of God’s existence”, without have the need for “faith in God’s existence”.

Does greater “knowledge” result in greater “faith” or does knowledge tend to puff the person up, trying to become even more self-reliant, further pursuing “knowledge” to the detriment of increase their “faith”?

God wants to help you, so would just having knowledge of His existence be a help to you, would it be “good news” and how would you change?

God is providing you with the easiest possible way to become humbled and it is something the lowliest mature adult earth can do and that is in humbly accepting the existence of a benevolent Creator. So, God is not going to take that opportunity away from you by proofing His existence prior to humbly accepting His charity.
 
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I nowhere said people couldn't so petition. They can, but they mostly wouldn't, as it would not fall within the function of prayer within a life of Faith. Such things are absurd in that they presuppose the meaninglessness of what is to be restored, instead of how such things are usually framed within the broader purpose or Will of God.

Thank you for the further clarification. But we see countless of earnest faithful pray for the reversal of some unwanted processes. Some even state these processes were intervened upon, by God. Are these people mistaken about the [actual] purpose of prayer??? Does God answer the call, ever, in regards to the requested reversal of unwanted illnesses, conditions, and/or diseases?

You seem to think you believe you have [the proper] handle on the actual intentions of prayer. Care to back it up with Chapter and Verse; to put this entire topic to bed?


It would be akin to if my son asked me to help him build a dinosaur, but I change it into a spaceship, or I tell him to clean up but then proceed to tip out all the toys onto the floor. The request is absurd within the context of the purpose of the act.

Thus far, I see nothing more than false analogies. Until you provide indisputable proof, as requested above, your response here looks irrelevant.

It is not as if people have not prayed such things before. I am sure every parent with a lifeless child has done so. That prayer is answered in God's way, in framing that child's life within broader meaning. After all, Jesus raised the daughter of Jairus; but then, Jesus Himself died on the cross, while mocked that He save himself, or as was said elsewhere, Physician Heal Thyself.

Does God ever answer the call to petitionary or intercessory prayer, where He is requested to restore someone of a physical condition of any kind? The reason I ask, is millions claim God does so....
 
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"I thank people for talking to me, but it doesn't seem like any of them given an actual response to the question" said OP in post #113


I answered the question several times but only heaven knows why you don't believe my answers so going to delete

you must have some set answer written down in an envelope & no one's answers ever match
 
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Interesting, what you see if you observe Christians praying.
They pray for things which, really, might happen anyway, if they get lucky.

They pray for a friend to be healed. Well, people do recover from illnesses all the time. But you never see Christians praying for a person's leg to grow back.
Is it because they know God wouldn't do this (even though - if He exists - He certainly has the power to)?

Christians pray for people who have suffered a bereavement to find peace. Well, of course, people usually do get over their feelings of grief, sooner or later. But they hardly ever pray for a person to be brought back to life.
Christians claim that God is quite capable of bringing people back to life.
Do they not ask Him to because they know that God doesn't actually answer prayers for impossible things?

Christians pray for people suffering cancer to have the strength to face their ordeal. Maybe they even pray for the cancer to vanish. But they never pray for all cancer all over the world to vanish and never return. I wonder why?
Maybe they know that, no matter how hard they pray, that just isn't going to happen.

Um. Do Christians actually secretly know that God isn't real?
They certainly don't seem to act like He's real.

Very confusing.
Mt 18 (ESV) says:
15 “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. 17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. 18 Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 19 Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. 20 For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.”

I guess no two or three Christians have ever agreed to ask for cancer to be eradicated. (I bet they have). The standard apologetic is that it must be in Gods will. The problem with that is it is not what the bible says in context.
 
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Mt 18 (ESV) says:
15 “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. 17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. 18 Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 19 Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. 20 For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.”

I guess no two or three Christians have ever agreed to ask for cancer to be eradicated. (I bet they have). The standard apologetic is that it must be in Gods will. The problem with that is it is not what the bible says in context.
Yeah? Which context is that? The entirety of Matthew 18, as I understand it, is a discourse about leadership of a community of believers and the authority of the apostles in that community. This section in particular is about the reconciliation of brothers in Christ and the authority of the church leadership, including the "binding and loosing" phrase that is key to a lot of differences and debate in doctrine regarding said church authority. Even the last two verses, if assumed to be only loosely related to the preceding text, seem to be about the efficacy of public prayer even in small groups, because it is done in and through Christ.

The key part you're either missing or ignoring in those last lines, though, is the "in my name" part. This suggests a certain deference to and alignment with the mind and intentions of Christ. This means that treating prayer like a magical ceremony, as discussed by other posters here, isn't going to work just because people say "Jesus". You can dismiss this out of hand as "the standard apologetic" if you want to, but that doesn't mean it's wrong.

So, given all that, what context are you seeing here that suggests that the verses above mean that God will go ahead and do whatever two Christians agree to ask for, just because they asked for it? What is it about Matthew 18 as a whole, or this section specifically, that tells you that that's what is meant here?

Please, enlighten us.
 
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Yeah? Which context is that? The entirety of Matthew 18, as I understand it, is a discourse about leadership of a community of believers and the authority of the apostles in that community. This section in particular is about the reconciliation of brothers in Christ and the authority of the church leadership, including the "binding and loosing" phrase that is key to a lot of differences and debate in doctrine regarding said church authority. Even the last two verses, if assumed to be only loosely related to the preceding text, seem to be about the efficacy of public prayer even in small groups, because it is done in and through Christ.

So, given all that, what context are you seeing here that suggests that the verses above mean that God will go ahead and do whatever two Christians agree to ask for, just because they asked for it? What is it about Matthew 18 as a whole, or this section specifically, that tells you that that's what is meant here?

Please, enlighten us.
The Greek direct translation of verse 19 is:

Again truly I say to you that if two might agree of you on the earth concerning any matter that if they shall ask it will be done for them by the Father of Me who in heavens

The word any is pantos meaning all, every. This does not say anything about God will answer anything only about church discipline.

Also, in verse 20 it says people gathered together unto my name, not praying in my name. Now, I can agree that this means that these are Christians that are getting to gather to pray should not expect God to actually do anything they ask, like sinful things as defined by God. However, if it says God will do anything they ask why then won't God cure cancer? How is this a bad thing and if it is a mystery then the verse is useless and does not mean what it says if it is still up to God what to grant and what to not grant.

The key part you're either missing or ignoring in those last lines, though, is the "in my name" part. This suggests a certain deference to and alignment with the mind and intentions of Christ. This means that treating prayer like a magical ceremony, as discussed by other posters here, isn't going to work just because people say "Jesus". You can dismiss this out of hand as "the standard apologetic" if you want to, but that doesn't mean it's wrong.
No, but it means that the verse is incorrect. If God is the ultimate arbiter of what He will do, even restricted to church discipline, then the verse is wrong. God will not do anything they ask regarding church discipline. It is useless at that point.
 
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I wonder.
Why is it that Christians never pray for impossible things?
I thank people for talking to me, but it doesn't seem like any of them given an actual response to the question.
I think I did in 105 post.
 
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Interesting, what you see if you observe Christians praying.
They pray for things which, really, might happen anyway, if they get lucky.

They pray for a friend to be healed. Well, people do recover from illnesses all the time. But you never see Christians praying for a person's leg to grow back.
Is it because they know God wouldn't do this (even though - if He exists - He certainly has the power to)?

Christians pray for people who have suffered a bereavement to find peace. Well, of course, people usually do get over their feelings of grief, sooner or later. But they hardly ever pray for a person to be brought back to life.
Christians claim that God is quite capable of bringing people back to life.
Do they not ask Him to because they know that God doesn't actually answer prayers for impossible things?

Christians pray for people suffering cancer to have the strength to face their ordeal. Maybe they even pray for the cancer to vanish. But they never pray for all cancer all over the world to vanish and never return. I wonder why?
Maybe they know that, no matter how hard they pray, that just isn't going to happen.

Um. Do Christians actually secretly know that God isn't real?
They certainly don't seem to act like He's real.

Very confusing.

We live in a cursed world and they know that.

There are stories on the internet that claims things like God growing a leg where there was none. I do not believe those stories because most have no details that can be verified. And, those that give details they don't pan out.

James Randi is one of my favorite authors.
 
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I think I did in 105 post.
Perhaps you did. Sorry, I'll have to check that.

God is providing you with the easiest possible way to become humbled and it is something the lowliest mature adult earth can do and that is in humbly accepting the existence of a benevolent Creator. So, God is not going to take that opportunity away from you by proofing His existence prior to humbly accepting His charity.
Okay, then. That sounds like an interesting argument. Can I just check I understand you fully?
Are you saying that God does not want to give any "obviously impossible" or "miraculous" answers to prayers, because such a thing would constitute strong evidence or even proof of His existence, and He prefers that people come to believe in Him through faith rather than by proof? And that Christians know this, and believe that therefore God will not answer prayers for miraculous things?
And therefore, that is why Christians do not pray to God for the impossible?
Is that your answer?
 
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Perhaps you did. Sorry, I'll have to check that.


Okay, then. That sounds like an interesting argument. Can I just check I understand you fully?
Are you saying that God does not want to give any "obviously impossible" or "miraculous" answers to prayers, because such a thing would constitute strong evidence or even proof of His existence, and He prefers that people come to believe in Him through faith rather than by proof? And that Christians know this, and believe that therefore God will not answer prayers for miraculous things?
And therefore, that is why Christians do not pray to God for the impossible?
Is that your answer?
You got most of it, but one big difference: “It is not that ‘God prefers’, but I and other humans need to have this very simple easy method of expressing a very little faith to help with our humility.”

I know you do not think the Garden story is real, but you can still get a lot of information from that story. God shows us His preference for us is daily walking with us and having us in a wonderful place, but one thing we learn from the story is the Garden is a lousy place for humans to fulfill their earthly objective.

The objective drives everything and the need to express just a little faith helps with the objective.
 
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Interesting, what you see if you observe Christians praying.
They pray for things which, really, might happen anyway, if they get lucky.

They pray for a friend to be healed. Well, people do recover from illnesses all the time. But you never see Christians praying for a person's leg to grow back.
Is it because they know God wouldn't do this (even though - if He exists - He certainly has the power to)?

Christians pray for people who have suffered a bereavement to find peace. Well, of course, people usually do get over their feelings of grief, sooner or later. But they hardly ever pray for a person to be brought back to life.
Christians claim that God is quite capable of bringing people back to life.
Do they not ask Him to because they know that God doesn't actually answer prayers for impossible things?

Christians pray for people suffering cancer to have the strength to face their ordeal. Maybe they even pray for the cancer to vanish. But they never pray for all cancer all over the world to vanish and never return. I wonder why?
Maybe they know that, no matter how hard they pray, that just isn't going to happen.

Um. Do Christians actually secretly know that God isn't real?
They certainly don't seem to act like He's real.

Very confusing.
You don't know what I pray for, or how I pray for it. Don't make these assumptions.
 
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