The richest states voted Democrat. The poorest states voted Republican.

Quartermaine · Sep 21, 2020

renniks said:
"for men, unknown paternal identity, parental divorce, short duration of cohabitation with both parents, and long duration of father-absent cohabitation with mother were all associated with increased rates of homosexual marriage.”

did you actually read the study or did you just rely on a old opinion piece but someone who isn't an expert in the field?

lets take this study apart.

First they are looking at marriage not orientation.
second the claim of your linked opinion doesn't match up with the actual findings of the study. For example : "for men, unknown paternal identity....[were] associated with increased rates of homosexual marriage." but if you actually read the study you find: "Me n and women with unknown fathers were signiﬁcantly less likely to marry heterosexually than peers with known fathers (Table 1). Associations were not statistically signiﬁcant for homosexual marriage"

Quartermaine · Sep 21, 2020

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renniks said:
Lol, really? Nice thought though. An Australian study says less than one third of gay men stick to one partner.
They switch partners constantly, in many cases.

Still waiting to learn the name of this study

lasthero · Sep 21, 2020

renniks said:
No such thing under sin.

Gay people tend to disagree. Are they just pretending to be happy?

And why do they need to call it marriage if they are so happy? Why steal the term?

No one 'stole the term'. There's nothing to steal. Marriage is a manmade concept, there's nothing to steal.

Under One King · Sep 21, 2020

Quartermaine said:
but you don't seem to know that practicing other religions is condemned often in the bible. hmmm

Of course you would take what I said out of context. I should've expected it.
Of course I know that.
Have you read the Bible?

Under One King · Sep 21, 2020

Quartermaine said:
you could start with the ten commandments

I thought you were trying to say that only Christian's could get married. I was asking where you got that in the Bible. But I'm still not sure if you have read it or not.

Under One King · Sep 21, 2020

ArmenianJohn said:
My point is that you already choose to live and abide by law so when you make wild claims about there should be no laws (i.e. regulations) you are contradicting yourself to portray some kind of false bravado. That's what I see from all libertarian types. You kick up against law but then you want to also say that you WANT laws. "I believe there should be no government regulations because it just gives them more control" but at the same time "property lines [i.e. LAWS] are as old as the Bible, dude."

Don't try to tell me and everyone you are against Law when you gladly benefit from it. Your "property line" doesn't even EXIST except if there is Law.

I'm not against law, dude. You guys seem to think I want anarchy like all these rioters. I'm against the government overstepping it's bounds. And it sure as hell does that with property regulations.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN · Sep 21, 2020

renniks said:
False reasoning. Cheapening marriage affects all of society.

No , it not. Christians cheapen marriage by getting divorces .And having multiple affairs. It has nothing has nothing to do with Gay marriage.

Under One King · Sep 21, 2020

lasthero said:
Gay people tend to disagree. Are they just pretending to be happy?

No one 'stole the term'. There's nothing to steal. Marriage is a manmade concept, there's nothing to steal.

Marriage is not a man made concept. I'd like to see your "evidence" for that.

Trogdor the Burninator · Sep 21, 2020

iluvatar5150 said:
The divide is much more college-educated-urban vs non-college-rural. The right has done a very good job of demonizing the college-educated urbanites with whom the other half virtually never interacts, while at the same time engendering a strong sense of persecution such that they can hurl the most vile, vitriolic barbs all day long but as soon as one person calls them "deplorable"... how dare they.

Agreed. However farmers have long tended to vote conservative, at least in my country. The major shift in the past 30 years has been urban poor and working class moving towards right wing parties.

iluvatar5150 said:
That's closer to the truth, but it still glosses over the fact that the Dem platform tends to be objectively better for the poor than the Republican platform.

Where the "Dems are for the poor" thing really breaks down is at the local zoning level wherein rural Republicans advocate a laissez faire free-for-all and urban Democrats homeowners turn into a bunch of NIMBY protectionists.

I know this wasn't a reply to my comment, but I think your last sentence sums up a lot of the problem. Left parties have begun to advocate for causes which are viewed by working class people as detrimental to them. For example it's easy to advocate for more a more liberal stance on illegal immigrants and refugees when they don't live in your suburbs, don't compete with you for jobs and don't go to school with your kids - essentially nothing about your lifestyle has to change.

lasthero · Sep 21, 2020

Soldier of the Cross said:
Marriage is not a man made concept. I'd like to see your "evidence" for that.

Marriage in Ancient Mesopotamia and Babylonia | eHISTORY

Under One King · Sep 21, 2020

lasthero said:
Marriage in Ancient Mesopotamia and Babylonia | eHISTORY

Well that's wrong. Marriage isn't a contract. It's two bodies becoming one flesh. God established it after He made Adam and Eve.

lasthero · Sep 21, 2020

Soldier of the Cross said:
Well that's wrong.

Well, the evidence disagrees. Sorry.

Marriage isn't a contract. It's two bodies becoming one flesh. God established it after He made Adam and Eve.

Well, you're entitled to think that, but you can't expect everyone to conform to your beliefs. There are plenty of ancient myths about how marriage came to be, I don't see why we should give yours support over any other.

Quartermaine · Sep 21, 2020

Soldier of the Cross said:
Of course you would take what I said out of context. I should've expected it.
Of course I know that.
Have you read the Bible?

you attacked the marriages of a minority by invoking biblical condemnation. Yet the bible condemns many people including non-Christians yet you take pains to avoid attacking non-Christians. Why the double standard?

Quartermaine · Sep 21, 2020

Soldier of the Cross said:
Marriage is not a man made concept. I'd like to see your "evidence" for that.

the institution of marriage is found in all cultures in some form or another and it long predates the bible

Under One King · Sep 21, 2020

lasthero said:
Well, the evidence disagrees. Sorry.

Well, you're entitled to think that, but you can't expect everyone to conform to your beliefs. There are plenty of ancient myths about how marriage came to be, I don't see why we should give yours support over any other.

Your "evidence" doesn't have to agree. I hold God's Word to be absolute truth, and therefore what I believe to be marriage is not a myth. I don't expect everyone to conform to my belief. Most of the world denies the Bible.

Under One King · Sep 21, 2020

Quartermaine said:
the institution of marriage is found in all cultures in some form or another and it long predates the bible

The Bible starts at the beginning of the world. And the institution of marriage comes right after. Soooo....

Under One King · Sep 21, 2020

Quartermaine said:
you attacked the marriages of a minority by invoking biblical condemnation. Yet the bible condemns many people including non-Christians yet you take pains to avoid attacking non-Christians. Why the double standard?

Your post is worded a bit confusing. What minority are you referring to? What double standard do you think I hold?

Quartermaine · Sep 21, 2020

Soldier of the Cross said:
The Bible starts at the beginning of the world. And the institution of marriage cones right after. Soooo....

evidence says otherwise

Quartermaine · Sep 21, 2020

Soldier of the Cross said:
Your post is worded a bit confusing. What minority are you referring to? What double standard do you think I hold?

go back to your post #138 and start reading what you wrote

Under One King · Sep 21, 2020

Quartermaine said:
evidence says otherwise

You can have evidence for anything. There are people who have "evidence" that Hitler was a good man. People have "evidence" that God is not real. People have "evidence" that marriage was not instituted by God, even though His Word says differently.

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