Abortion, always with us

Peter singer has never had a baby . They’re self aware at birth . I’ve had 2 .

Pregnancy by itself can be dangerous for some women and it’s time women were told the truth instead of the fairytales they get told about sex ,birth and birth control . I’m pro choice in that a women should be able to choose to continue a pregnancy or not . Women just aren’t baby machines and the USA has one of the highest maternal mortality rates in a 1st world country because we don’t really care about our women or the children they give birth to.

God will forgive anyone who asks.

These considerations. God formed us:
-“For You formed my innermost parts; You knit me [together] in my mother’s womb” Psa 139:13
-“Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?” Mal 2;10
-“The spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.” Job 33:4
"I will put ligaments on you, place muscles on you, and cover you with skin. I will put breath in you, and you will live. Then you will know that I am Yahweh." Eze 37:6

God has a plan for us including the time and place of our births: Here's just a couple:
-“And he made from one man every race of men to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted epochs and the fixed boundaries of the places where they would live;” (Acts 17:26)
"For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the Lord, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end." Jer 29:11

Brightmoon said:

Peter singer has never had a baby . They’re self aware at birth . I’ve had 2 .

Pregnancy by itself can be dangerous for some women and it’s time women were told the truth instead of the fairytales they get told about sex ,birth and birth control . I’m pro choice in that a women should be able to choose to continue a pregnancy or not . Women just aren’t baby machines and the USA has one of the highest maternal mortality rates in a 1st world country because we don’t really care about our women or the children they give birth to.

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Get rid of Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), Medicaid, Pregnancy Assistance Fund (PAF) program, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), Title V Maternity and Child Health Services Grants, and Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) grants, and I may agree with you. The problem is western women see children as burdens and have succumb to Hollywood throw-away culture. So, if the "we" you are referring to is western women, then you are correct.

Some states won’t pay for birth control or they only allow certain types ( usually chemical) which not all women can tolerate . If you’ve ever talked to someone on welfare they'll give you food but don’t pay enough for your rent . You can’t even buy any type of soap with food stamps . No dishwashing liquid no body soap ,no detergent, deodorant etc . Basic stuff you should be able to buy but can’t

Asking - What about personal responsibility?

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It is not about judging those who have an abortion​

This Act is an extreme measure, allowing for the abortion of unborn life at any stage of pregnancy and for any reason. It sends a message to everyone in our state that life is cheap. This is a truly sad day for Illinois. We will continue to make our case against such callous disregard for human life whenever it appears in society.

Catholic Conference Statement on
House Passage of “Reproductive Health Act”​

I talked to a good friend last night, her name is Claire, and a very good Christian woman (Catholic), who lives her faith in a courageous but respectful manner. She is strong in speaking what she feels is ‘truth’, and is involved in politics. I always feel like a first-grader talking to a college graduate when it comes to politics with her. I have never really understood politics, except for the fact that it is a highly emotional topic. I doubt anyone is immune from that. We argue and fight over what is important to us. That goes for religion as well.

I am not a one-issue voter. Or maybe I am, not sure. I do know that the pro-life stance, which is in reality a movement to protect the most vulnerable members of our society, is not just one issue among others. However, it is not about judging those who have n abortion, the blame can be spread thin. The state of the world as always been precarious, and how we deal with problems is often short-sighted and leads only to further problems as the fruit of decisions becomes apparent.

There is no way I can cast a vote for anyone in the Democratic Party because of their policies on abortion. When in 2016 at the Democratic convention women got up and bragged about getting abortions, and how happy they were about it, it was then that I knew that there is no way I could ever vote for a Democratic President.

Liberal changes in the law do not remain in some sort of static state. They evolve, grow until we now have the mind-numbing mantra that “it is a woman’s right”. Peter Singer wants to make it legal for parents to euthanize their children up to the third month. Why? Because it is not until the third month (in his humble opinion) that an infant becomes self-aware.

From "Practical Ethics": "Human babies are not born self-aware, or capable of grasping that they exist over time. They are not persons." But animals are self-aware, and therefore, "the life of a newborn is of less value than the life of a pig, a dog, or a chimpanzee."

Accordingly, from "Should the Baby Live?": "It does not seem wise to add to the burden on limited resources by increasing the number of severely disabled children." –Peter Singer

Shocking? Well maybe now, but in a few years it will become more evident to many, that yes, why should not parents have the right to make that choice if a one to a three-month-old child is not yet self-aware? If such a law came to pass, it would be a matter of time for it to become even more liberal, allowing parents to decide even if the infant is perfect to be quietly done away with.

Perhaps Christian need to think more deeply about how we present our faith in such a way that people will at least listen to us, and not try to blend in so completely. The fruit of such a strategy, blending in, is being played out before us today.--BrMD

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As part of a Pro-Life bill; "Any man who impregnates a woman against her wishes or regrets the in the following 90 days, shall be put to death."

This would be acceptable.

A second Pro-Life bill:

Also, any woman who chooses to not carry a baby to term, shall transfer said fetus to an artificial womb, where non-profit churches will raise the child to adulthood and save it;s life.


(Unless it's not that important to them.)

tturt said:

Asking - What about personal responsibility?

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Are women and men of equal strength, height, and authority in every relationship?

In the event of a tie, who wins the sexual battle?

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As part of a Pro-Life bill; "Any man who impregnates a woman against her wishes or regrets the in the following 90 days, shall be put to death."

tturt said:

Asking - What about personal responsibility?

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This is why socialism has become so popular. Personal responsibility has become a curse word in western society.

SkyWriting said:

Are women and men of equal strength, height, and authority in every relationship?

In the event of a tie, who wins the sexual battle?

This will help.
As part of a Pro-Life bill; "Any man who impregnates a woman against her wishes or regrets the in the following 90 days, shall be put to death."

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. The woman it’s her uterus.
Nah she’ll just make the creep pay child support and / or go to jail for rape.

Speaking of child support they expect women to shut up and put up when they say that they don’t want to be baby machines but want people to have sympathy for men who get stuck paying to raise their own children. I don’t have much sympathy for men who leave women stuck with the bill.

Brightmoon said:

Peter singer has never had a baby . They’re self aware at birth . I’ve had 2 .

Pregnancy by itself can be dangerous for some women and it’s time women were told the truth instead of the fairytales they get told about sex ,birth and birth control . I’m pro choice in that a women should be able to choose to continue a pregnancy or not . Women just aren’t baby machines and the USA has one of the highest maternal mortality rates in a 1st world country because we don’t really care about our women or the children they give birth to.

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I am Pro-life, which I believe is different than the anti-abortionists who call themselves pro-life. We need to think about helping women as much as helping their babies. I don't want to try to assume anything about what a woman needs but instead to listen to what women say that they need.

I believe that we can lower the number of abortions by helping women.

Abortion restrictions don't lower rates, report says - CNN
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Mar 21, 2018 - Laws that seek to limit abortions around the world may not lower the rate of abortions but could make them less safe, according to a new report.

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The global abortion rate decreased slightly between 1990–1994 and 2000–2004 and has since returned to levels last seen in the 1990s. Share.

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Jul 29, 2020 - Countries with restrictive abortion laws also often lack access to contraception. The result is that low-income nations where abortion is restricted

ProLife supporters and Republicans just don't get it - international studies have already shown that even where abortions are illegal, it merely drives it underground and does not significantly impact the overall rate so repealing Roe v Wade doesn't address the problem!

What would have currently addressed the problem was for the federal government to have extended the grants that expired at the end of July - allowing millions of unemployed Americans and their families greater access to food, shelter security and by extension greater optimism in bringing another child into the world!

The train allowing abortion rights in America has already left the station and adding another conservative to the Supreme Court isn't going to convince the nation's young women to follow the moral dictates of a few, wealthy, elderly, "white," conservative, male politicians in Washington know who know nothing of their circumstances - "child friendly" government policies promoting greater financial equality and social stability would be far more effective!

Brightmoon said:

. The woman it’s her uterus.

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My point being in the battle between intercourse or not, birth control or not, the women are not in an even standing in a relationship. Men tend to have higher status and dominate the decision. Then they run from the babies.

tturt said:

Asking - What about personal responsibility?

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Reply - It's not always an option.

Wanwisa Janmuk, married at 8, gave birth to a girl when she was 9 at a hospital in Phetchabun.

"Thai officials shocked to hear of nine-year-old becoming a mother". New Straits Times. 2001-03-10. Retrieved 2011-11-16.

Jermayn said:

Get rid of Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), Medicaid, Pregnancy Assistance Fund (PAF) program, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), Title V Maternity and Child Health Services Grants, and Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) grants, and I may agree with you. The problem is western women see children as burdens and have succumb to Hollywood throw-away culture. So, if the "we" you are referring to is western women, then you are correct.

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Good heavens! Don't give Republicans any more ideas! Isn't it bad enough that the president is trying to end the Affordable Care Act?

What a macabre tradeoff is taking place with the pending Supreme Court appointment! All that has to be done to cede decision-making on abortion to the states by overturning Roe v. Wade is to end the Affordable Care Act, gut civil rights, poison our air and water through environmental concessions to big business and more.

A macabre tradeoff is exactly what it is. People rationing their meds or dying without health care because they can't afford it. Millions of deaths and disabilities from radiation and toxin induced cancers caused by businesses. Massive gun violence unleashed by justices with NRA sponsoring their NASCAR robes.

Is the macabre tradeoff worth it? Not in my eyes. Looking forward to an 11-justice Supreme Court in 2021.

Fantine said:

Good heavens! Don't give Republicans any more ideas! Isn't it bad enough that the president is trying to end the Affordable Care Act?

What a macabre tradeoff is taking place with the pending Supreme Court appointment! All that has to be done to cede decision-making on abortion to the states by overturning Roe v. Wade is to end the Affordable Care Act, gut civil rights, poison our air and water through environmental concessions to big business and more.

A macabre tradeoff is exactly what it is. People rationing their meds or dying without health care because they can't afford it. Millions of deaths and disabilities from radiation and toxin induced cancers caused by businesses. Massive gun violence unleashed by justices with NRA sponsoring their NASCAR robes.

Is the macabre tradeoff worth it? Not in my eyes. Looking forward to an 11-justice Supreme Court in 2021.

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The first civil right you should have is the right to be born without being murdered in your mothers womb. As far as all the other stuff you're complaining about, that's mostly liberal city issues. If you want to get rid of all that you better not pushed to hard for gun control, because you're going to need one if you want to eat.

The thing to always remember is you cannot regulate human behavior. We have laws against murder and we still have murders being committed. If we totally outlawed abortions there would still be abortions. Rich women would fly off to Europe, middle class women would go to Canada or the Caribbean, and poor women would go to back allies.

Are you opposed to abortion? What did Christ tell us to do about it?
◄ Matthew 6:6 ► NIV
But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
Remember to pray that God's will be done, not ours.

Instead of praying in secret the way Christ told us to, many stand on the streets in front of abortion clinics and pray the way hypocrites do
◄ Matthew 6:5 ► NIV
"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.

Yes public protests seem to be the right thing to do to end the slaughter of the innocent. But again, what does the Bible say?
◄ Proverbs 14:12 ► KJV
There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

Nevada Smith said:

The thing to always remember is you cannot regulate human behavior. We have laws against murder and we still have murders being committed. If we totally outlawed abortions there would still be abortions. Rich women would fly off to Europe, middle class women would go to Canada or the Caribbean, and poor women would go to back allies.

Are you opposed to abortion? What did Christ tell us to do about it?
◄ Matthew 6:6 ► NIV
But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
Remember to pray that God's will be done, not ours.

Instead of praying in secret the way Christ told us to, many stand on the streets in front of abortion clinics and pray the way hypocrites do
◄ Matthew 6:5 ► NIV
"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.

Yes public protests seem to be the right thing to do to end the slaughter of the innocent. But again, what does the Bible say?
◄ Proverbs 14:12 ► KJV
There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

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The Bible doesn't teach that the ends justify the means which is exactly what Christian conservatives have done by supporting the only President in American history that has stated publicly that he has no intention of recognizing the results of the election unless he wins!

nationwide Pandemic,
record unemployment
families facing food shortages and possible eviction
racial unrest, protests and demonstrations
a President undermining confidence in the electoral system
congressional gridlock
federal grants to unemployed not renewed beyond the end of July
loss of health insurance
Obamacare being taken to the courts
state bureaucracies backed up and difficult to access
White House interference in government agencies including the CDC
inconsistent government messaging on COVID-19
President holding large mass rallies and not wearing a mask
fear of foreign political influence on elections
America increasingly taking on the characteristics of a"failed state"

These are just some of the current issues that have contributed to the political, social and economic instability that this White House appears intent on increasing the divisiveness, not unifying the nation!

The current conditions in America would provide cause for any expectant mother to question as to whether this instability is conducive to bringing another child into the world and all the responsibility that comes with it?

Eventually they will figure out contraceptive practice that is so reliable, easy and safe to use that everyone can afford it and everyone who doesn’t want children at any given moment will be using it.

That will get rid of the most non medical emergency abortions and this issue will be gone.

Then everyone can concentrate on other issues like declining fertility rates.