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That's become the republican way. Biden is the candidate we need precisely because he's willing to work with people with whom he disagrees. And yes, he's taken heavy criticism from the extremists on the right and on the left, for doing so. But his remarkable comeback in the primaries was powered by voters who want a return to American values.

Biden should be given a rocking chair and a blanket and the disney channel.

That's what his primary opponents thought. He took advantage of their misconceptions and outsmarted them all.

He won't be running the country.

The odds are, he's going to be. Things can change, but right now, Biden has played everything exactly right.

If by american values you mean

Being willing to work with other Americans, even if he disagrees with them. It's time we got back to that. Biden can do it. And right now, I don't see anyone else able to do it.

If you're talking about killing babies and taking away rights, then vote for Trump, who gave the woman he got pregnant, money so she could kill his unborn child.

Defending Trump's killing of his child, they say that "Trump is not the same person he was." And that is true...


To be fair, this was after he was unexpectedly rushed to Walter Reed Medical center for what Trump says was "not a series of mini-strokes." He's improved somewhat, but still slurs words and wanders off topic a lot.

Here's his response when he was asked for his plans for a 2nd Term:

There's something wrong with him, and it's getting worse. His handlers control him by stealing papers off his desk so he can't sign them. By the next day, he's forgotten about them.

President Trump’s top aides were so worried about his plans to scrap two major trade deals that they swiped the orders off his desk — and he didn’t even notice, according to a new book on the White House.
https://nypost.com/2018/09/04/aides...-desk-to-stop-him-from-signing-them-woodward/
 
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ocial security is a bit of a crock, unfortunately paying in isn't optional.

If there were no social security, the vast majority of workers would see their pay rise around 15%, because the wage taxes employers pay to Social Security come off worker's pay in the end, too. If the worker took that money and invested it over a 40-year working lifetime, the market returns, if they followed historical patterns, would provide at least as good benefits as social security does, and in many if not most cases a lot better.

Doesn't look like many people agree with you.

However, Socialism is where the government provides services to all, irrespective of whether they contribute. In social security, we all contribute.

You think Social Security is not socialism? Seriously? I think we've located the problem.
 
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We all know Joe Biden is an empty suit who will do whatever the far left tells him,

You were really misled about that. For example, Biden will not approve defunding police, even though the far left wants it done. Try to do a little fact-checking when you get your talking points; it can save a lot of embarrassment.

You say it's the way of the Republicans,

Yep. They detest the idea of majority rule for the obvious reasons. Most Americans reject their ideas.

but YOU YOURSELF made the comment "But Americans are looking to be taking their country back this November"

It all likelihood, the new president will be one that most voters actually voted for, unlike the current president.

so maybe we could talk about that instead.

As Trump accidentally admitted, if all eligible voters voted, republicans couldn't win another election:
Trump said, “It’s just a common fact. They have a majority in the House, and therefore you need their votes, and they want to get certain things. I will tell you this if you look at before and after, the things they had in there were crazy. They had things, levels of voting that if you ever agreed to it, you would never have another Republican elected in this country again.
Trump Admits That Republicans Would Never Win Another Election Under Coronavirus Voting Reform

It's called a Freudian slip btw.

It's called "a rare moment of honesty by Donald Trump."

A Freudian slip is something quite different. It is a sort of parapraxis, a Fehlleistungen in Freud's terminology, that interferes in some kind of expression, by revealing something else that is otherwise unexpressed.

"No mentally-competent person wants America to be harmed, and neither does Donald Trump." would be a Freudian slip, uttered by a WH aide.
 
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You were really misled about that. For example, Biden will not approve defunding police, even though the far left wants it done. Try to do a little fact-checking when you get your talking points; it can save a lot of embarrassment.



Yep. They detest the idea of majority rule for the obvious reasons. Most Americans reject their ideas.



It all likelihood, the new president will be one that most voters actually voted for, unlike the current president.



As Trump accidentally admitted, if all eligible voters voted, republicans couldn't win another election:
Trump said, “It’s just a common fact. They have a majority in the House, and therefore you need their votes, and they want to get certain things. I will tell you this if you look at before and after, the things they had in there were crazy. They had things, levels of voting that if you ever agreed to it, you would never have another Republican elected in this country again.
Trump Admits That Republicans Would Never Win Another Election Under Coronavirus Voting Reform



It's called "a rare moment of honesty by Donald Trump."

A Freudian slip is something quite different. It is a sort of parapraxis, a Fehlleistungen in Freud's terminology, that interferes in some kind of expression, by revealing something else that is otherwise unexpressed.

"No mentally-competent person wants America to be harmed, and neither does Donald Trump." would be a Freudian slip, uttered by a WH aide.

No one is talking about what Trump or Biden said, but what YOU said and YOUR Freudian slip. By your statement you obviously do not consider those who vote for Donald Trump American.
 
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No one is talking about what Trump or Biden said,

I'm just pointing out your rather naive belief that you expresed in this thread, that the far left would control Biden. As you now realize, Biden (for example) rejects the leftist idea of defunding police.

And you really need to learn what a Freudian slip is. Trump carelessly blurted out the truth.


"No mentally-competent person wants America to be harmed, and neither does Donald Trump." would be a Freudian slip, uttered by a WH aide.
 
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Social security is a bit of a crock, unfortunately paying in isn't optional.

If there were no social security, the vast majority of workers would see their pay rise around 15%, because the wage taxes employers pay to Social Security come off worker's pay in the end, too. If the worker took that money and invested it over a 40-year working lifetime, the market returns, if they followed historical patterns, would provide at least as good benefits as social security does, and in many if not most cases a lot better.

However, Socialism is where the government provides services to all, irrespective of whether they contribute. In social security, we all contribute.

If not for Social Security most Americans would be supporting their parents who they'd move in with. The cost would be 30% of their pay instead of the SS Taxes they currently pay.

If you have parents retired on Social Security, you're already benefiting from it.
 
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I'm just pointing out your rather naive belief that you expresed in this thread, that the far left would control Biden. As you now realize, Biden (for example) rejects the leftist idea of defunding police.

And you really need to learn what a Freudian slip is. Trump carelessly blurted out the truth.


"No mentally-competent person wants America to be harmed, and neither does Donald Trump." would be a Freudian slip, uttered by a WH aide.

But what about your Freudian slip of "Americans want to take their country back"?
 
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I'm just pointing out your rather naive belief that you expresed in this thread, that the far left would control Biden. As you now realize, Biden (for example) rejects the leftist idea of defunding police.

And you really need to learn what a Freudian slip is. Trump carelessly blurted out the truth.


"No mentally-competent person wants America to be harmed, and neither does Donald Trump." would be a Freudian slip, uttered by a WH aide.

But what about your Freudian slip of "Americans want to take their country back"?

That's just a statement of fact. If all goes as it should, we'll soon have a president that most American voters actually want to be president. And that's a very good thing.
 
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I'm just pointing out your rather naive belief that you expresed in this thread, that the far left would control Biden. As you now realize, Biden (for example) rejects the leftist idea of defunding police.

And you really need to learn what a Freudian slip is. Trump carelessly blurted out the truth.


"No mentally-competent person wants America to be harmed, and neither does Donald Trump." would be a Freudian slip, uttered by a WH aide.



That's just a statement of fact. If all goes as it should, we'll soon have a president that most American voters actually want to be president. And that's a very good thing.

The far left does control Biden, it's why he had to chose a black woman as a VP rather than look for the best qualified to take his place.

It's also why he changed his position on the Hyde Amendment and opposed it right at the beginning of the Democratic Primary Race.

If Biden leaves office for some reason and Harris takes over, we'll turn into a banana republic if she has her way.
 
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The far left does control Biden,

So you're claiming that Biden opposes definding police because the far left controls him? Seriously?

In the primaries, the far left did everything they could to stop him, but he beat them. How is that "controlling" him?

Harris is a law-and-order prosecutor; republicans have criticized her for asking for long sentences for criminals. C'mon.
 
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So you're claiming that Biden opposes definding police because the far left controls him? Seriously?

In the primaries, the far left did everything they could to stop him, but he beat them. How is that "controlling" him?

Harris is a law-and-order prosecutor; republicans have criticized her for asking for long sentences for criminals. C'mon.

Funding of the police departments is a local issue, not a federal one. Biden can say all he wants about it and it means nothing.

Biden won the primary because he's been in politics so long, people owe him favors and endorsed him over the others. Democrats have had some regret nominating him over the past months.

Tulsi Gabbard was the best choice for the Democrats, but they threw her under the bus.
 
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Funding of the police departments is a local issue, not a federal one.

Not to Trump; he's defunding local police departments, because he's mad at those cities. To get even with them, he's defunding the federal funds that go to those departments. Yes, courts will probably slap him down for trying, but he is trying.

Biden can say all he wants about it and it means nothing.

Fact is, Biden opposes defunding police departments. Trump is attempting to defund police departments. A clear choice for the voters.

Biden won the primary because he's been in politics so long, people owe him favors and endorsed him over the others.

Biden won all those primaries because voters liked his proposals, and rejected more leftist positions.

And for good reason. We really need a president who's capable of working with everyone, even those with whom he disagrees. Yes, extremists on the left and right think compromise is a weakness. Americans have rejected that notion. It's why Trump's handlers are starting to panic; Americans are tired of politicians who divide us to gain personal power, and they are turning to Biden to do something about it.
 
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Not to Trump; he's defunding local police departments, because he's mad at those cities. To get even with them, he's defunding the federal funds that go to those departments. Yes, courts will probably slap him down for trying, but he is trying.



Fact is, Biden opposes defunding police departments. Trump is attempting to defund police departments. A clear choice for the voters.



Biden won all those primaries because voters liked his proposals, and rejected more leftist positions.

And for good reason. We really need a president who's capable of working with everyone, even those with whom he disagrees. Yes, extremists on the left and right think compromise is a weakness. Americans have rejected that notion. It's why Trump's handlers are starting to panic; Americans are tired of politicians who divide us to gain personal power, and they are turning to Biden to do something about it.

Biden got endorsements from the state bum-kissers who owe him favors or are looking for favors in the future.

Being Biden's been in Washington DC since Nixon was president, many owe him favors and he has the political clout in Congress to get favors done for people who support him.

He's a reason why many people call for term limits for members of Congress. People are sick of career politicians who couldn't do anything else in life.
 
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Biden got endorsements from the state bum-kissers who owe him favors or are looking for favors in the future.

But he won in the primaries because the voters liked what he was proposing.

Being Biden's been in Washington DC since Nixon was president, many owe him favors and he has the political clout in Congress to get favors done for people who support him.

But they don't determine primaries. Votes do. When the powers that be in Washington endorsed other candidates, Biden went to the people; it was a smarter move than getting endorsements.

Yes, he knows how government works; notice the disaster it's been to have a president who doesn't know how government works. It's one of the reasons Biden is so far ahead.
 
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As the founders noted, tyranny is the normal way of things; give someone power, and they will abuse it. When, as now, we tolerate abuse, we only encourage further abuses.

We have tolerated abuse since at least August of 1964, when the Democrat-dominated 88th Congress passed the Tonkin Gulf Resolution, allowing Brother Lyndon to wage unrestricted warfare in Southeast Asia without a formal declaration of war as the Constitution requires. It's only gotten worse since then.

There are still left-wing anarchists, but they aren't out there killing police as right-wing anarchists are.

Cite?

Unfortunately, national socialists have had an increasingly strong voice in the current administration.

Cite?

If Biden leaves office for some reason and Harris takes over, we'll turn into a banana republic if she has her way.

Oh, I think it'll be worse than that. If Kamala Harris becomes president, we will see rights and liberties going down like blades of grass under a lawnmower. We'll see repression like this country hasn't seen since the days of George III, and worse.

You think I jest? Well, if you have kids, make sure they're not playing hooky---Kamala will fine you $2000.00 or put you in jail for a year if your offspring go fishing instead of to school. “We are putting parents on notice: if you fail in your responsibility to your kids, we are going to work to make sure you face the full force and consequences of the law.” Sieg Heil! Why Is Kamala Harris' Attorney General Record Controversial?

Harris is a law-and-order prosecutor; republicans have criticized her for asking for long sentences for criminals. C'mon.

Oh, yeah, she's tough on criminals and cops alike....except for the gangbanger who shot police officer Isaac Espinoza; she failed to press for more stringent punishment of the perp. Or in the case of unarmed Manuel Diaz, who was shot by police, in which she refused to intervene. Or in the case of Mario Romero who was also shot by police, and which she also refused to get involved. Or in the case of Ezell Ford, who was shot by police and was also unarmed, in which she likewise refused to get involved. ‘Top Cop’ Kamala Harris’s Record of Policing the Police

Then we have this: "As attorney general, she weaponized technicalities to keep wrongfully convicted people behind bars rather than allow them new trials with competent counsel and prosecutors willing to play fair. One of them, Kevin Cooper, is on death row. Another, George Gage, will die in prison without intervention from the governor. In both cases, Harris had the power to change the outcome. She could have demanded DNA testing in Cooper’s case. She refused. She could have conceded Gage’s conviction was based on the prosecutor’s decision to suppress evidence that devastated the credibility of the sole witness against him. She didn't.

"Harris also failed to hold police and prosecutors accountable for misconduct. In Orange County, where a sprawling jailhouse informant scandal has robbed countless people of their right to a fair trial, her lack of meaningful oversight has contributed to a crisis of legitimacy that continues to upend the county’s criminal justice system." Kamala Harris's Criminal Justice Record Killed Her Presidential Run - The Appeal

Yeah, she a real champion of justice, all right. :rolleyes:
 
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