20 major reasons to reject the Premillennial doctrine

Timtofly · Sep 21, 2020

BABerean2 said:
How can there be a time of the judgment of the dead, with reward for some and destruction for others in Revelation 11:18, without a bodily resurrection of the dead?

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

The timing of the event described in John 5:27-30 is found above.

Yes, the reward time. Not the resurrection time. The dead could hear His Voice in the 1st century. Since the Cross the dead have come to life. Is Chapter 11 not part of an alleged recap? Even in John 5, Jesus pointed out that it was happening even then. Lazarus being called out of the tomb is your prime example. Those dead in their sin are not called to the lake of fire, yet?

BABerean2 · Sep 21, 2020

Timtofly said:
Yes, the reward time. Not the resurrection time. The dead could hear His Voice in the 1st century. Since the Cross the dead have come to life. Is Chapter 11 not part of an alleged recap? Even in John 5, Jesus pointed out that it was happening even then. Lazarus being called out of the tomb is your prime example. Those dead in their sin are not called to the lake of fire, yet?

Chapter 11 is not the "recap".

The "recap" is found in chapter 20.
We know this because of what Paul said about the fire coming at the return of Christ, and the judgment of the living and the dead at Christ's return.
See 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Timothy 4:1.
Both of these are found at the end of Revelation 20.

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Timtofly · Sep 21, 2020

BABerean2 said:
Chapter 11 is not the "recap".

The "recap" is found in chapter 20.
We know this because of what Paul said about the fire coming at the return of Christ, and the judgment of the living and the dead at Christ's return.
See 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Timothy 4:1.
Both of these are found at the end of Revelation 20.

So what is the fuss about the rewards?

BABerean2 · Sep 22, 2020

Timtofly said:
So what is the fuss about the rewards?

How can there be a fuss about rewards, without a resurrection and judgment of the dead?

Rev 11:18 The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints, And those who fear Your name, small and great, And should destroy those who destroy the earth."

Based on the words of Jesus below, the resurrection of the dead, and the judgment of the dead are found together.

Joh 5:27 and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man.
Joh 5:28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice
Joh 5:29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.
Joh 5:30 I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.

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Timtofly · Sep 22, 2020

BABerean2 said:
How can there be a fuss about rewards, without a resurrection and judgment of the dead?

Rev 11:18 The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints, And those who fear Your name, small and great, And should destroy those who destroy the earth."

Based on the words of Jesus below, the resurrection of the dead, and the judgment of the dead are found together.

Joh 5:27 and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man.
Joh 5:28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice
Joh 5:29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.
Joh 5:30 I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.

The rewards happen for believers years before the sinners.

BABerean2 · Sep 25, 2020

Timtofly said:
The rewards happen for believers years before the sinners.

Once again, we have you quoting you, instead of the scriptures.

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Timtofly · Sep 25, 2020

BABerean2 said:
Once again, we have you quoting you, instead of the scriptures.

Nope. The same verses. Even SovereignGrace claims sinners and believers cannot be in the same place and time. At least you all could be consistent.

For your verses to work the way you claim, is all humanity rewarded in sheol or on earth, or neither? Do you not think there will be two different places rewards are handed out?

BABerean2 · Sep 26, 2020

Timtofly said:
Nope. The same verses. Even SovereignGrace claims sinners and believers cannot be in the same place and time. At least you all could be consistent.

For your verses to work the way you claim, is all humanity rewarded in sheol or on earth, or neither? Do you not think there will be two different places rewards are handed out?

We base our posts on scripture, while others use their own inventions.

2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

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Timtofly · Sep 26, 2020

BABerean2 said:
We base our posts on scripture, while others use their own inventions.

2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

Explain how these verses happen on the battlefield of Megiddo during the battle called Armageddon. Even you claim all are killed, no?

The separation of the sheep and goats happens prior to Satan's 42 months, not at the battle where Satan and the rest of humanity are killed.

God on the throne and the Lamb in Revelation 6, the 6th seal are here to separate the sheep and goats, to gather in the final harvest of the wheat. If humans are still left, then Satan’s 42 months covers the empty earth where humanity should not be here at all, but they are. Jesus had already sent many to life everlasting by physical death. And many were killed in their sins and sent to sheol. But we know that happens, and has happened billions of times naturally over the last 1990 years. That is not new. What is new is that God and the Lamb will be here in the physical for the final harvest. That is what John is declaring in Revelation.

God Himself is declaring judgment on the harlot church, the governments, and those faithful to His Word will receive their just rewards. Nothing I post contradicts these verses posted, and all will happen very soon.

sovereigngrace · Sep 28, 2020

Timtofly said:
Explain how these verses happen on the battlefield of Megiddo during the battle called Armageddon. Even you claim all are killed, no?

The separation of the sheep and goats happens prior to Satan's 42 months, not at the battle where Satan and the rest of humanity are killed.

God on the throne and the Lamb in Revelation 6, the 6th seal are here to separate the sheep and goats, to gather in the final harvest of the wheat. If humans are still left, then Satan’s 42 months covers the empty earth where humanity should not be here at all, but they are. Jesus had already sent many to life everlasting by physical death. And many were killed in their sins and sent to sheol. But we know that happens, and has happened billions of times naturally over the last 1990 years. That is not new. What is new is that God and the Lamb will be here in the physical for the final harvest. That is what John is declaring in Revelation.

God Himself is declaring judgment on the harlot church, the governments, and those faithful to His Word will receive their just rewards. Nothing I post contradicts these verses posted, and all will happen very soon.

Armageddon only comes up once in the New Testament (Revelation 16:16). Moreover, it is only a passing reference. There is little detail in it. Revelation is a difficult book to dissect due its very nature. It is full of intricate symbolism, figurative language and graphic apocalyptic detail. I believe many of the things attributed to Armageddon by Christians are pure fiction. Although I was brought up with it, I can only view the literalist interpretation reference physical Israel relating to Armageddon as unfounded speculation. I think it simply refers to Satan's little season at the end when the saints will be increasingly persecuted by the world system/empire. In short, Armageddon should be viewed as Satan's assault upon "the camp of the saints" (the Church) prior to Christ's Coming (Revelation 20:9).

iamlamad · Sep 29, 2020

Timtofly said:
Explain how these verses happen on the battlefield of Megiddo during the battle called Armageddon. Even you claim all are killed, no?

The separation of the sheep and goats happens prior to Satan's 42 months, not at the battle where Satan and the rest of humanity are killed.

God on the throne and the Lamb in Revelation 6, the 6th seal are here to separate the sheep and goats, to gather in the final harvest of the wheat. If humans are still left, then Satan’s 42 months covers the empty earth where humanity should not be here at all, but they are. Jesus had already sent many to life everlasting by physical death. And many were killed in their sins and sent to sheol. But we know that happens, and has happened billions of times naturally over the last 1990 years. That is not new. What is new is that God and the Lamb will be here in the physical for the final harvest. That is what John is declaring in Revelation.

God Himself is declaring judgment on the harlot church, the governments, and those faithful to His Word will receive their just rewards. Nothing I post contradicts these verses posted, and all will happen very soon.

The separation of the sheep and goats happens prior to Satan's 42 months, not at the battle where Satan and the rest of humanity are killed.

If this were true - it isn't - but if it were, what happened to the goats? They are sent to "everlasting fire." In other words, GONE from life on earth.

So WHO will then be alive to take the mark? Those that probably would have taken the mark are already sent to hell.

Why not move the sheep and goat judgment to where it makes sense: JUST before the start of the Millennial reign - weeding out those that are not fit to remain for His millennial reign.

Timtofly · Sep 30, 2020

iamlamad said:
The separation of the sheep and goats happens prior to Satan's 42 months, not at the battle where Satan and the rest of humanity are killed.

If this were true - it isn't - but if it were, what happened to the goats? They are sent to "everlasting fire." In other words, GONE from life on earth.

So WHO will then be alive to take the mark? Those that probably would have taken the mark are already sent to hell.

Why not move the sheep and goat judgment to where it makes sense: JUST before the start of the Millennial reign - weeding out those that are not fit to remain for His millennial reign.

The Millennium starts out with the resurrection of dead people. No one lives at the Battle of Armageddon. The goats and sheep are the Trumpets. The wheat and tares are the Thunders. Don't ask me why there are some left even for there to be wheat. But they have to be resurrected after Armageddon. Not before the battle, that would just be nonsense. The sheep and wheat are just parable terms for those not part of the church, who die and come back in Revelation 20 along with those beheaded by Satan in his 42 months. Only God knows why He needs people to repopulate the earth, who are not glorified and like the angels they will not have offspring. Read Genesis 6 why sons of God should not live on earth with humans who have biological births. There should not be any one left to take the mark, but evidently the church may not pray, seek God's face, turn from their wickedness enough for God to hear from heaven and heal their land.

Even God in Jonah spared the lives of Nineveh, and healed their city, instead of healing Israel, and God sent them to attack Israel. Could Revival break out in Russia and Iran, and all become the church and attack Israel still as part of the church? That would be the sign of Jonah in these last days. Even those in Nineveh will rise up in judgment against those who reject God. Judgment is an authority given to the church. Can a bunch of humans who never heard of Salvation, because this current apostate church failed, be used like Nineveh, who converted in a day, and rise up in judgment of the apostate church, be the sheep and wheat? That is not even including the 144K Male virgins from the whole of Israel. Of course not everyone will accept Christ. Like those on Palm Sunday welcoming Him, by Wednesday, was an angry mob.

But Christ after the harvest is not going to co-reign with Satan for 42 months. That is why the Celebrations are "cut off". Was it even God's plan to let Satan have 42 months? How can an agreement be broken, unless God allows it? The only point of contention mentioned is the apostate church. Does the church get right with God? Remember Lot and Abraham, where Lot could not even convert his wife and daughters? Much less any one else? Was Lot even righteous enough or a picture of the apostate church that just ended up drunk and played the harlot? How many souls should Lot have prevented from being sent to sheol? How many souls converted today would prevent Satan from having 42 months? It is not about the timing or who. It is about why should it even happen at all? 95% of Christianity is waiting for the AC, instead of God on the throne, Who is looking for many souls to harvest, and may only find tares and goats.

iamlamad · Sep 30, 2020

Timtofly said:
The Millennium starts out with the resurrection of dead people. No one lives at the Battle of Armageddon. The goats and sheep are the Trumpets. The wheat and tares are the Thunders. Don't ask me why there are some left even for there to be wheat. But they have to be resurrected after Armageddon. Not before the battle, that would just be nonsense. The sheep and wheat are just parable terms for those not part of the church, who die and come back in Revelation 20 along with those beheaded by Satan in his 42 months. Only God knows why He needs people to repopulate the earth, who are not glorified and like the angels they will not have offspring. Read Genesis 6 why sons of God should not live on earth with humans who have biological births. There should not be any one left to take the mark, but evidently the church may not pray, seek God's face, turn from their wickedness enough for God to hear from heaven and heal their land.

Even God in Jonah spared the lives of Nineveh, and healed their city, instead of healing Israel, and God sent them to attack Israel. Could Revival break out in Russia and Iran, and all become the church and attack Israel still as part of the church? That would be the sign of Jonah in these last days. Even those in Nineveh will rise up in judgment against those who reject God. Judgment is an authority given to the church. Can a bunch of humans who never heard of Salvation, because this current apostate church failed, be used like Nineveh, who converted in a day, and rise up in judgment of the apostate church, be the sheep and wheat? That is not even including the 144K Male virgins from the whole of Israel. Of course not everyone will accept Christ. Like those on Palm Sunday welcoming Him, by Wednesday, was an angry mob.

But Christ after the harvest is not going to co-reign with Satan for 42 months. That is why the Celebrations are "cut off". Was it even God's plan to let Satan have 42 months? How can an agreement be broken, unless God allows it? The only point of contention mentioned is the apostate church. Does the church get right with God? Remember Lot and Abraham, where Lot could not even convert his wife and daughters? Much less any one else? Was Lot even righteous enough or a picture of the apostate church that just ended up drunk and played the harlot? How many souls should Lot have prevented from being sent to sheol? How many souls converted today would prevent Satan from having 42 months? It is not about the timing or who. It is about why should it even happen at all? 95% of Christianity is waiting for the AC, instead of God on the throne, Who is looking for many souls to harvest, and may only find tares and goats.

The Millennium starts out with the resurrection of dead people. Scripture please

No one lives at the Battle of Armageddon. Scripture please. The rest of the world, outside of those troops at Armageddon, certainly lives.

The goats and sheep are the Trumpets. This is imagination to the nth degree. Goats and sheep do make sounds, but not trumpet sounds. Where in the world you do come up with this? Have you tried just believing what John wrote? Sheep and goats are animals. Trumpets are things with no life.

The wheat and tares are the Thunders. Nonsense. What and tares represent the rights and the unrighteous respectively.

they have to be resurrected after Armageddon. You just said all die at Armageddon. There is no resurrection back to life at ARmageddon; all there is is DEATH. Please just follow what John wrote. There is no need to rearrange it or change it.

The sheep and wheat are just parable terms for those not part of the church, You have it backwards: "My SHEEP hear my voice..." The sheep (and the wheat) represent the righteous.

My friend, it seems everything you write comes from imagination, rather that scripture rightly divided and understood. Not one thing you have written so far is scriptural.

sovereigngrace · Sep 30, 2020

iamlamad said:
The separation of the sheep and goats happens prior to Satan's 42 months, not at the battle where Satan and the rest of humanity are killed.

If this were true - it isn't - but if it were, what happened to the goats? They are sent to "everlasting fire." In other words, GONE from life on earth.

So WHO will then be alive to take the mark? Those that probably would have taken the mark are already sent to hell.

Why not move the sheep and goat judgment to where it makes sense: JUST before the start of the Millennial reign - weeding out those that are not fit to remain for His millennial reign.

Where in Matthew 25 does it show survivors or an additional 42 months of people living? It is not there. You invent that. You foist upon the sacred text.

iamlamad · Sep 30, 2020

sovereigngrace said:
Where in Matthew 25 does it show survivors or an additional 42 months of people living? It is not there. You invent that. You foist upon the sacred text.

Why does anything HAVE to be in Matthew 25? Why not in other chapters or in other books? Does it really matter WHERE God says something? What if something is in Rev. 20? Does that automatically prove it false to you?

Who ever said "additional" 42 months?

There will be 42 months in the FIRST half of the week, not shown, not written, but logical.

The 42 months of the last half of the week is written TWICE, but the same very period of time.

Read:
31: But when the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the angels with him, then shall he sit on the throne of his glory: 32 and before him shall be gathered all the nations:

So let's answer the question WHEN? When Jesus returns in His glory, to Armageddon, His coming will END the 42 months of authority given to the Beast. The 42 months of trampling will have ended some time before this - probably at the 7th vial that ends the week.

You invent that. I invent nothing: I take Revelation as written. However, for someone that does NOT take Revelation as written, it may seem like others invent stuff.

Finally, read it carefully. Jesus coming in Glory is found in Revelation 19, AFTER the entire 70th week is finished. Therefore, this sheep and goat judgment is to find out WHO will be allowed into the Millennial Kingdom.

sovereigngrace · Sep 30, 2020

iamlamad said:
Why does anything HAVE to be in Matthew 25? Why not in other chapters or in other books? Does it really matter WHERE God says something? What if something is in Rev. 20? Does that automatically prove it false to you?

Who ever said "additional" 42 months?

There will be 42 months in the FIRST half of the week, not shown, not written, but logical.

The 42 months of the last half of the week is written TWICE, but the same very period of time.

Read:
31: But when the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the angels with him, then shall he sit on the throne of his glory: 32 and before him shall be gathered all the nations:

So let's answer the question WHEN? When Jesus returns in His glory, to Armageddon, His coming will END the 42 months of authority given to the Beast. The 42 months of trampling will have ended some time before this - probably at the 7th vial that ends the week.

You invent that. I invent nothing: I take Revelation as written. However, for someone that does NOT take Revelation as written, it may seem like others invent stuff.

Finally, read it carefully. Jesus coming in Glory is found in Revelation 19, AFTER the entire 70th week is finished. Therefore, this sheep and goat judgment is to find out WHO will be allowed into the Millennial Kingdom.

Exactly. With your form of hermeneutics you can foist any opinion upon any passage, as it is cool. That is why Premil should be rejected.

iamlamad · Sep 30, 2020

sovereigngrace said:
Exactly. With your form of hermeneutics you can foist any opinion upon any passage it it is cool. That is why Premil should be rejected.

You said that backwards! It is amil that has squirrelly hermeneutics.

Hint: we form doctrine from EVERY end time passage, not just passages we like, or passages pulled from their context. On the other hand, squirrelly hermeneutics will take a passage that makes perfect sense in its literal sense, and consider it symbolic, and so end up with nonsense.

sovereigngrace · Sep 30, 2020

iamlamad said:
You said that backwards! It is amil that has squirrelly hermeneutics.

Hint: we form doctrine from EVERY end time passage, not just passages we like, or passages pulled from their context. On the other hand, squirrelly hermeneutics will take a passage that makes perfect sense in its literal sense, and consider it symbolic, and so end up with nonsense.

Really? Then you would be able to answer simple questions, instead of constantly avoiding them.

1. What Scripture, if any, do you consider definitely corroborates the Premillennial interpretation of Revelation 20 that there are two distinct physical resurrection days (the first for the righteous, the second for the wicked) separated by a literal 1000 years+?

2. Where in Scripture does it mention "resurrection days" (plural), pertaining to the end?

3. What Scripture (including Revelation 20) do you consider definitely teaches there are two distinct future judgement days (that will see all mankind stand before Christ to give account for their lives) separated by a literal 1000 years+?

4. Where in Scripture does it mention "judgement days" (plural), in regard to the end?

5. What Scripture, if any, do you consider definitely corroborates the Premillennial interpretation of Revelation 20 that Satan will be bound for a time-span of 1000 years after the Second Advent, then released for a "little season" to deceive the nations, and then destroy them?

iamlamad · Oct 1, 2020

sovereigngrace said:
Really? Then you would be able to answer simple questions, instead of constantly avoiding them.

1. What Scripture, if any, do you consider definitely corroborates the Premillennial interpretation of Revelation 20 that there are two distinct physical resurrection days (the first for the righteous, the second for the wicked) separated by a literal 1000 years+?

2. Where in Scripture does it mention "resurrection days" (plural), pertaining to the end?

3. What Scripture (including Revelation 20) do you consider definitely teaches there are two distinct future judgement days (that will see all mankind stand before Christ to give account for their lives) separated by a literal 1000 years+?

4. Where in Scripture does it mention "judgement days" (plural), in regard to the end?

5. What Scripture, if any, do you consider definitely corroborates the Premillennial interpretation of Revelation 20 that Satan will be bound for a time-span of 1000 years after the Second Advent, then released for a "little season" to deceive the nations, and then destroy them?

Just read Rev. 20. It will answer all your questions.

Oh, I get it: you don't believe Rev. 20 as written! Since this is truth, you and I have very little common ground.

This reminds me of Dr. McCoy in Star Trek - wanting to take to Spock about His death experiience. Spock said they would have no point of reference. Bone's replied, "You mean I have to die before I can talk with you about death?"

Here is your answers in only 7 verses of scripture:

Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

These verses are the only point of reference. Every believer has a choice: either believe these verses or not. As for me and my house, we choose to believe them.

BABerean2 · Oct 1, 2020

iamlamad said:
These verses are the only point of reference. Every believer has a choice: either believe these verses or not. As for me and my house, we choose to believe them.

But you ignore what Paul said about Christ returning "in flaming fire" in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10.
The fire comes at the end of Revelation 20.

But you ignore what Paul said about Christ judging both the living and the dead at His appearing in 2 Timothy 4:1.
The judgment of the dead is found at the end of Revelation 20, and also in Revelation 11:18.

You ignore the fact that some of the angels are already bound in Revelation 9:14.

You ignore the fact that there are no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46.

You ignore the fact that the beast "ascends" out of the pit in Revelation 11?

You ignore the king of the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:11.

Do you also believe the verses found above? Are they also a point of reference, or do you redefine the whole Bible to make your interpretation of Revelation 20 work?

Do you believe the two witnesses are made of wood and metal in the verse below, or is the Book of Revelation full of symbolic language?

Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

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