Baptism of the Holy Spirit as a second experience: testimonies

bmjackson said:

We have that firm Biblical assurance if the HS confirms to us that we are united with Him in baptism and we are 'in' the sermon on the mount and other examples of the holy life. Pure in heart means that here is nothing in our hearts that is not of Christ. We must guard this daily to stay in purity.

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that's a huge sermon.

If it is not the living experience of anyone, then they need to be baptised in the HOLY Spirit.

bmjackson said:

If it is not the living experience of anyone, then they need to be baptised in the HOLY Spirit.

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very very true. The doctrine of baptisms (plural). We never want to quench or sin against the 3rd person of the trinity either in our own lives or in the lives of others. When Christ knocks answer, when Christ tells you to do something, do it. A Christian must 'LEARN' and 'KNOW' how Christ is instructing them before they act/do.....never go willy nilly where the wind blows or where others tells you to. Listen to Christ.

Hebrews 6:1-2
1 Peter 3:18-21

Jesus's suffering brought about salvation. Just as Noah's family through the water and was delivered, when we pass through the waters of baptism and all that they symbolize, we are delivered. Peter rids his readers of any magical ideas about baptism by making it plain that the efficacy of baptism does not lie in the outward symbolism but the inner response of faith toward God.

Isaiah 66:12 - Like A River Glorious - Frances R. Havergal

One of the most complete/perfected hymns i've found relating to salvation and finding that inner joy and peace in Christ. Enjoy.

Victor in Christ said:

Jesus's suffering brought about salvation. Just as Noah's family through the water and was delivered, when we pass through the waters of baptism and all that they symbolize, we are delivered. Peter rids his readers of any magical ideas about baptism by making it plain that the efficacy of baptism does not lie in the outward symbolism but the inner response of faith toward God.

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Amen! Precisely.

I have not heard 'Like a River Glorious' much at all in the churches I have attended but was blessed by it thank-you. Francis R Havergal is a special saint to me especially her book 'The Royal Invitation' now out of print ,which shook me out of complacency when I read it and brought about the baptism. I have an old copy of it and have copied it out onto my computer for anyone who wants to read it. 'When Peace like a River' is one of my favourites!

He leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for His names sake (Jehovah Tsidkenu) Psalm 23.

You have blessed me.

I only came across that hymn this morning. Never knew of Francis R Havergal's book 'The Royal Invitation' until you mentioned it. That would be a delight to read and would bless the soul.

Oh, i'm now reading Spurgeon's commentary yesterday. 13 of August.

Isaiah 65:24 "It shall come to pass, that before they call, i will answer; and while they are yet speaking, i will hear."

Our Lord knows the big picture even before we pray for it, he's in total control. Glory, Glory, Glory to the king of Kings.

Victor in Christ said:

I only came across that hymn this morning. Never knew of Francis R Havergal's book 'The Royal Invitation' until you mentioned it. That would be a delight to read and would bless the soul.

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If you send your email address by pm I will send it to you.

bmjackson said:

If you send your email address by pm I will send it to you.

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thanks for the offer, but technology these days are full of 'glitches' . Thanks very much for mentioning the book its very thoughtful and pleasing to hear that Saint of of God had written such a book. God willing i will get access to it by others i know locally. Thanks and God Bless.

Thank you. I was unable to find it anywhere but a second hand shop but perhaps you will.
God bless.

bmjackson said:

First Day – Royal Invitation – by Francis R. Havergal |

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that's readable in plain words and plain English. No fancy words or language, its just what everyone needs.

Lord, deliver our prayers, our words, everything is possible with you in these times, offer our petitions unto you and answer. These are our prayers Lord, the faith of a mustard seed is all you asked, we also need the rain Lord, pour it down in abundance, shower us with your blessings so we may do your will on earth as in Heaven. Amen.

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Lord, deliver our prayers, our words, everything is possible with you in these times, offer our petitions unto you and answer. These are our prayers Lord, the faith of a mustard seed is all you asked, we also need the rain Lord, pour it down in abundance, shower us with your blessings so we may do your will on earth as in Heaven. Amen.

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Amen!

The testimony of Todd White, might interest you: he struggled a long time trying to get the blessing of healing, and with persistence was suddenly empowered (to heal).

Look up his video "Including God in Everything" (the testimony is about half way through?)

Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. 13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done. 14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: 15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: 16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) 17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

This was in Samaria, it was not at the beginning of the commission at Pentecost, or when the Gentiles received Salvation and both Baptisms.

Then there were those of the Baptism of John that Paul laid hands on and they received the Holy Spirit.

Then even before Calvary John the Baptist said I baptize you with water unto Salvation, but He that comes after me will Baptize you with fire and the Holy Ghost,

Jesus said basically the same thing.
I am not direct quoting do to time but you can look up the exact text.
The gifts of the Holy Spirit are also mentioned in Gods Word.
You simply cannot find a reasonable Bible teaching to deny the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
We indeed receive the Holy Spirit up on Salvation, but are not Filled with the Power God has set before us.
We can find this with the Apostles in the Book of John.

John 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. 22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: 23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
Jesus commanded them to stay in Jerusalem, because they had not
been filled With The Holy Spirit in power.
They recieved salvation by the resurrection of Christ from the Dead.

Acts 1:2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen: 3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God: 4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. 5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

So not only the Apostles, but at Pentecost there were many.
The Gentiles, and the whole of Samaria received the Baptism of the Holy Ghost.
There were others as well that were not the orginal 11.
It was not limited to Jews.
it was not in Corinthians with the verse when that which is perfect has come.
you cannot meet the completed canon face to face as Paul says then he will know all things.
The Context is when Christ comes back and we meet Him face to face.
Lastly the Baptism did not go away with the Apostles, because the Bible does not say that, and many others received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
We are still living in the Church age until Christ redeems the Church on His return.
At that time the Holy Spirit will go up along with us.
I rushed this a bit, but I was originally taught Cessionism and could never find it in Gods Word.
I do not like calling Gods Spirit the.
He is God always.
I have been Baptized in the Holy Spirit, all I will say is you know it when it happens.
A person will be with the Lord in Heaven upon Salvation, the Baptism of the Holy Spirit is not a mandate for Salvation.
It is a deeper relationship with God, and quickens your Spirit.

Bro, I am starting to wish I had the fire of the Holy Spirit - your faith is a little infectious!

Gottservant said:

Bro, I am starting to wish I had the fire of the Holy Spirit - your faith is a little infectious!

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I'm praying for it in the life of others and myself, trying to surrender all to our Great God through his only beloved son Christ Jesus. Here's some verses to help you......

1 kings 3:9-11

John 14:15, James 3:1, James 4:7 James 5:19-20, 1 John 2:3-5

bmjackson said:

We have that firm Biblical assurance if the HS confirms to us that we are united with Him in baptism and we are 'in' the sermon on the mount and other examples of the holy life. Pure in heart means that here is nothing in our hearts that is not of Christ. We must guard this daily to stay in purity.

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God's Holy Spirit seals us in our foreheads, when we're 100% confident Christ is with us we've been assured of our Salvation, but we can drift from his fellowship and drift back into what he brought us out of. Only by his grace and Mercy will he provide us a way ( unknown to us until we learn to KNOW) to bring us back into true union with him (a union which he Loves and longs for).

If we become consumed by our faults and not return to seek his face (glory), scripture tells us those who once tasted and were overcome, the worst is for them. 2 Peter 2:17

Does that not motivate you to keep on going, seeking his face in prayer, reading, eating and being washed by the word, etc

Baptism of the Holy Spirit as a second experience:


My own personal experience concerning the baptism in the HS is when I hear some Christians I know emphasizing the 'being baptized' by the spirit (that already resides in me), the focus 'appears' to be upon the experience they have acquired more than the one who provided it.
I have to my knowledge never had a 'second filling/baptism of the spirit of God'
And do not feel any lacking.
I have had many confirmations/moments as to the Spirit of God filling me with His presence, often moving
me to an overwhelming emotional being at one with Him. A spirit filled fellowship.
Though I have had some of those 'mountain top' experiences with God,
I sense His presence greater with assurance when it's more of a 'washing feet' experience.

Victor in Christ said:

God's Holy Spirit seals us in our foreheads, when we're 100% confident Christ is with us we've been assured of our Salvation, but we can drift from his fellowship and drift back into what he brought us out of. Only by his grace and Mercy will he provide us a way ( unknown to us until we learn to KNOW) to bring us back into true union with him (a union which he Loves and longs for).

If we become consumed by our faults and not return to seek his face (glory), scripture tells us those who once tasted and were overcome, the worst is for them. 2 Peter 2:17

Does that not motivate you to keep on going, seeking his face in prayer, reading, eating and being washed by the word, etc

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Dear one, that drifting away has been a scourge for me and caused great despair until l learned the way back from General Booth of the Salvation Army, which is the same way as entering into His rest. Just believe that what was achieved on the cross two millenniums ago, is effective now and step out in faith on that and that He will keep me from sin.

The devil always tested me on it, every time but perseverering gained the victory.

Last week l was restored once again and am filled with joy and peace once more.

It is not just en experience (re the last poster). As the Orthodox tradition explains, it is Orthodox psychotherapy, the healing of man so that he is in the condition for which God intended him, without the baggage he gathered from living.

Pure and holy. It is a most blessed state indeed and available to all in an instant and not by works.

I wonder what the sealing if the forehead means as it seems to imply more than the brain. Perhaps the Pineal gland?